The former Chief Justice of Malaysia, Tun Abdul Hamid Mohamad has stated that Islam in Malaysia is under threat (false). He has also stated that the Malays are no receiving their fair share (false). The Chief Justice, appointed by the UMNO/BN Government, and therefore not unbiased, seems to believe that royalty and Ketuanan Melayu are more important than Malaysia. To whom and what does Tun Hamid answer ? When he was Chief Justice, he distinguished himself, by an almost 100 % pro-UMNO judicial record, hardly ever deviating from the status-quo. In retirement, he has devoted his energies towards arguing for Malay rights and berating various Malaysians for interfering with Ketuanan Melayu. Tun Hamid has accused Catholics of trying to convert Malays (false), and has even said a Surau (traditional prayer house) in Johor had been used by “Buddhist tourists” (false and absurd). Malaysians, like all citizens, look to their judiciary for integrity, objectivity and loyalty (to the nation and its citizen). In the case of Malaysia, neither of these three prerequisites were fulfilled by Tun Hamid, the obvious consequence being, that all lower courts and judges might also be open to questioning. Malaysia increasing xenophobia, racial stridency and Islamic militancy, all call for Constitutional rectitude and judicial probity, in the interest of all Malaysians. Unfortunately, Malaysians have not been afforded such due process, and the end result has been a nation, that is, in addition to being dialogue-impoverished (Kessler) and intellectually-impoverished (Kessler), is without any doubt, judicially-impoverished.
I’m glad the article struck an emotional chord, sorry, but Touche…
And it clearly reveals that the one who reads and understand the article require a pre-requisite of knowledge in semantics studies, socio-linguistics, basic knowledge of theories of signs and symbols, metaphors, narratives…
Academically, “discourse” can be convoluted and yes, have been watered down and interchangeably used, to mean “Having a meaningful conversation between more than 2 participants.
Dr. Kessler is speaking to this group of people, and if you had ears, you would hear it too.
Mr. Allyn? Your client lost…Given his notorious temper and well-known habit for pulling out his hand gun during an argument, I sincerely hope you are no longer in Indonesia. If you are still here, a word of advice: RUN!
I did see it coming a long time ago, the sinicisation of Burma.
A personal anecdote: about ten years ago, one of my Chinese students, an older guy, proudly explained to me how Burma is viewed in China (hundreds of thousands of Chinese were told to go live and colonise Burma) and when he found out that that I haven’t been back in Burma for decades, he immediately told me that he has very good connections with the Chinese Embassy and that he can easily arrange some fake Burmese documents for me. I declined his generous offer!
Have you ever read The People’s Daily or Xinhua or The Global Times? They use Myanmese and that’s what all patriotic Myanmese-Chinese should follow, since MianDian is basically a Chinese vassal state nowadays and that is why I am also not sure whether I am familiar with the country of my ancestors anymore.
tocharian. I am not sure if you are familiar with Myanmar (Burma). First, Myanmese is not an adjective, it’s either Myanmar or Burmese. Second, the Burmese of Chinese descent are well-integrated and love the country as much as every one in Myanmar.
Indo-Aryans predate the German Nazis by thousands of years. You should read Indian epics like Ramayana or Mahabarata to understand Hinduism. Incidentally, the orientation of the swastika (not Sastika) is opposite that of the Hindu symbol.
I agree with you that Burma is a multi-ethnic country and recent scientific analysis of Burmese DNA actually shows how diverse Burmese genetic composition is (I am talking about thousands of years) in contrast to countries like Korea or Iceland, where the genetic material is rather homogeneous, so Burmese should be proud of their multi-ethnic ancestry instead of dividing people up into 135 ethnic groups and trying so hard to look like Chinese or Koreans and blaming everything on the Muslims. Why not go check on Singaporean banks to find all the wealth that was stolen from the Burmese people before scapegoating the Muslims for everything?
Buddhism is “stress reliving”? That’s a good one! Almost like Freudian psychoanalysis. Oh these Californians (there is actually a sizable Myanmese-Chinese community there I heard)
Reading Mr Khaliff’s childish epithet-filled nearly incoherent rant, I think Mr Kessler’s point about a discourse-impoverished society, in Malaysia, has been amply demonstrated, and to boot, on New Mandala.
1) Considering majority of Citizenry are rural where there are usually zero Kala. Villagers complexion are as dark or Darker due to toiling in the fields.
2) Most Kala are within rural area “self segregated” mainly the Muslim that regard “Bamar as inferior” NOT the other wat around, since the Colonial time, actively promoted by the British a quintessential racist up to this day.
3) In City like Maulamyain with long history of integrative settlement by Muslim, inter racial/religious marriages are as common as intra racial/religious, remembering Maulamyanin the first ADmin_Colonial center
These are but some examples of skin color has little to do with integration or self segregation. With more dispicable example reserved for further revisionist rant.
The self segregation of Muslim community is the fundamental reason now being picked on.
The shameful inference of Bamar Buddhists are racist with the cockamamie “Indo-Aryan” thrown in (Most are Hindu by the way) to suggest a Nazi_like is completely ridiculous.
What next the Sastika/SS as Buddhist symbol ZZ of peace!
Strongly recommend as an expert on religions do a similar articles on various branches of Islam.
After all it is imperative to contrast 2 religions and WILL explain the tinder of sectarian violence within Myanmar and else where.
May be how a minority religion behavior should be in a Majority Buddhist country as vice versa in Bangladesh.
Where the treatment of Buddhist Kala and none kala is ignored and pale comparatively to the treatment that Muslim in Myanmar has so far received yet highlighted by the know all NGO, Anonymous posters and academic repeatedly as though it is the “Buddhism problems”.
Migration of Bangladeshi remain unmitigated
and unstoppable, even now more to the interior of Myanmar sponsored by the Muslim/ Islamic organizations within funded by others, such as OIC.
The inciters of recent riots has nothing to do with local/Mandalay racial problems but rather a shot to the bow to the more distant impending conflict to come in the western Myanmar.
So Prabowo, demonstrating how far from democracy Indonesia really is, states that
the votes of 133 million Indonesians is meaningless, are all fraudulent (without any evidence to prove so), even states that he is no longer a candidate, breaking Indonesia’s electoral rules (once you declare your candidacy, either you claim victory or defeat, but you cannot claim no more interest in the Presidency). As of now, Prabowo status is not certain, despite Jokowi being declared the victor. This does lead to one very important question for Indonesians: As we now know Prabowo is an immature child that lacks grace, dignity and maturity, in the face of defeat, all those Indonesians, that voted for Prabowo, would have expected that he behave otherwise, as President ? Indonesia has come far, but when it comes to the behaviour of some politicians, it is abundantly clear, Indonesia has a long way to go. Prabowo’s behavious is disgraceful and totally unbecoming of a man, claiming to have the skills and virtues to lead Indonesia.
I dunno why this author thinks Malaysians use this word too frequently and incorrectly. I’ve only heard it being used in but one of my classes in all my years. I ain’t never heard this word used in normal conversations and I sure as hell don’t throw this word around willy-nilly. The way he talks about it, it’s like it’s the most trendiest word to utter if you want to appear sophisticated and cultured. Fuck that shit as far as I’m concerned that word is just a fancy way saying “Having a meaningful conversation between more than 2 participants”. I ain’t gonna be guilt tripped into thinking that I’m somehow culturally poor just cuzza I don’t engage in no fucking “discourse” coz fuck you Clive Kessler, my life is just fine without no fucking “discourse” bullshit.
You must sometimes be perplexed how the people of Burma seemingly totally ignore the elephant in the room. Papa Chinese. And for sure the novel and noble “independent” media (a bunch of kids with expensive cameras and communication devices given by their handlers) never, ever mention about swathes of land and other resources Chinese have already bought (with narcotic money) -along the Pipe and all big cities as well as most of Mandalay- or the money they lent to Than Shwe and Co. for building the most grotesque tunnel ridden Potemkin, etc. (Incidentally it is more than unlikely that that guy Obama dares to go to that North Korean tunneled town. Last time he went to the crumbling moldy concrete block that sickly romantics call ” The Convocation Hall” after a hasty last minute bright idea even though poor Hillary did have to brave the possibility of North Korean incendiary device)
Chinese currently have thorough grip on every thing economic in Burma with strangle hold on ALL the real decision making people in their pocket- (clue for idiots: real decision making people are the ones directly getting money from continuous flow of logging trucks passing through Muse, and surely not Obscenely Hyper celebrated Amayyyy Suuu who is just propped by global corporation’s agents and the “cronies” who are simple front men for the military making money as Chinese’ agents).
There are more and more violent crimes, theft and robbery on the street with daily loud drumming up of the “Allure of the West” (directly via their diaspora or Korean soups and tales from Thai and Singapore returnees). More and more people are of course homeless with nothing to eat and without Kyaw Thu, wouldn’t even have a place to die. During such wonderful time, it is instructive to see all the advanced Burmese youths – and not-so-youths-and academics alike busy with HIV conferences, Laprosy eradication and Gender Equality Empowerment and Constitution amendment whatever it means. Well, at least they will die happy, one would imagine.
Election result has been declared by The KPU Indonesia’s election commission. Now what? Amin Rais dissapear? There is no permanent partner in politic. I hope Muhammadiyah keep neutral as an organization.
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Every vote must be counted, every voice must be heard
The result yesterday has shown your analysis was totally wrong…
The vulnerability of Malaysia’s legal discourse
The former Chief Justice of Malaysia, Tun Abdul Hamid Mohamad has stated that Islam in Malaysia is under threat (false). He has also stated that the Malays are no receiving their fair share (false). The Chief Justice, appointed by the UMNO/BN Government, and therefore not unbiased, seems to believe that royalty and Ketuanan Melayu are more important than Malaysia. To whom and what does Tun Hamid answer ? When he was Chief Justice, he distinguished himself, by an almost 100 % pro-UMNO judicial record, hardly ever deviating from the status-quo. In retirement, he has devoted his energies towards arguing for Malay rights and berating various Malaysians for interfering with Ketuanan Melayu. Tun Hamid has accused Catholics of trying to convert Malays (false), and has even said a Surau (traditional prayer house) in Johor had been used by “Buddhist tourists” (false and absurd). Malaysians, like all citizens, look to their judiciary for integrity, objectivity and loyalty (to the nation and its citizen). In the case of Malaysia, neither of these three prerequisites were fulfilled by Tun Hamid, the obvious consequence being, that all lower courts and judges might also be open to questioning. Malaysia increasing xenophobia, racial stridency and Islamic militancy, all call for Constitutional rectitude and judicial probity, in the interest of all Malaysians. Unfortunately, Malaysians have not been afforded such due process, and the end result has been a nation, that is, in addition to being dialogue-impoverished (Kessler) and intellectually-impoverished (Kessler), is without any doubt, judicially-impoverished.
Malaysia: A discourse-impoverished society
I’m glad the article struck an emotional chord, sorry, but Touche…
And it clearly reveals that the one who reads and understand the article require a pre-requisite of knowledge in semantics studies, socio-linguistics, basic knowledge of theories of signs and symbols, metaphors, narratives…
Academically, “discourse” can be convoluted and yes, have been watered down and interchangeably used, to mean “Having a meaningful conversation between more than 2 participants.
Dr. Kessler is speaking to this group of people, and if you had ears, you would hear it too.
Every vote must be counted, every voice must be heard
Mr. Allyn? Your client lost…Given his notorious temper and well-known habit for pulling out his hand gun during an argument, I sincerely hope you are no longer in Indonesia. If you are still here, a word of advice: RUN!
Sectarian conflict in Mandalay
I did see it coming a long time ago, the sinicisation of Burma.
A personal anecdote: about ten years ago, one of my Chinese students, an older guy, proudly explained to me how Burma is viewed in China (hundreds of thousands of Chinese were told to go live and colonise Burma) and when he found out that that I haven’t been back in Burma for decades, he immediately told me that he has very good connections with the Chinese Embassy and that he can easily arrange some fake Burmese documents for me. I declined his generous offer!
Siamese dreams in the time of the junta
Not a very gentlemanly reply. As an academic, you should moderate your remarks. True scholars writing on Thailand don’r stoop so low.
Causes of intolerance and prejudice in Buddhism
Have you ever read The People’s Daily or Xinhua or The Global Times? They use Myanmese and that’s what all patriotic Myanmese-Chinese should follow, since MianDian is basically a Chinese vassal state nowadays and that is why I am also not sure whether I am familiar with the country of my ancestors anymore.
Causes of intolerance and prejudice in Buddhism
tocharian. I am not sure if you are familiar with Myanmar (Burma). First, Myanmese is not an adjective, it’s either Myanmar or Burmese. Second, the Burmese of Chinese descent are well-integrated and love the country as much as every one in Myanmar.
Causes of intolerance and prejudice in Buddhism
Indo-Aryans predate the German Nazis by thousands of years. You should read Indian epics like Ramayana or Mahabarata to understand Hinduism. Incidentally, the orientation of the swastika (not Sastika) is opposite that of the Hindu symbol.
I agree with you that Burma is a multi-ethnic country and recent scientific analysis of Burmese DNA actually shows how diverse Burmese genetic composition is (I am talking about thousands of years) in contrast to countries like Korea or Iceland, where the genetic material is rather homogeneous, so Burmese should be proud of their multi-ethnic ancestry instead of dividing people up into 135 ethnic groups and trying so hard to look like Chinese or Koreans and blaming everything on the Muslims. Why not go check on Singaporean banks to find all the wealth that was stolen from the Burmese people before scapegoating the Muslims for everything?
Causes of intolerance and prejudice in Buddhism
Buddhism is “stress reliving”? That’s a good one! Almost like Freudian psychoanalysis. Oh these Californians (there is actually a sizable Myanmese-Chinese community there I heard)
Malaysia: A discourse-impoverished society
Reading Mr Khaliff’s childish epithet-filled nearly incoherent rant, I think Mr Kessler’s point about a discourse-impoverished society, in Malaysia, has been amply demonstrated, and to boot, on New Mandala.
Causes of intolerance and prejudice in Buddhism
Very convincing but absolutely false.
1) Considering majority of Citizenry are rural where there are usually zero Kala. Villagers complexion are as dark or Darker due to toiling in the fields.
2) Most Kala are within rural area “self segregated” mainly the Muslim that regard “Bamar as inferior” NOT the other wat around, since the Colonial time, actively promoted by the British a quintessential racist up to this day.
3) In City like Maulamyain with long history of integrative settlement by Muslim, inter racial/religious marriages are as common as intra racial/religious, remembering Maulamyanin the first ADmin_Colonial center
These are but some examples of skin color has little to do with integration or self segregation. With more dispicable example reserved for further revisionist rant.
The self segregation of Muslim community is the fundamental reason now being picked on.
The shameful inference of Bamar Buddhists are racist with the cockamamie “Indo-Aryan” thrown in (Most are Hindu by the way) to suggest a Nazi_like is completely ridiculous.
What next the Sastika/SS as Buddhist symbol ZZ of peace!
Causes of intolerance and prejudice in Buddhism
Strongly recommend as an expert on religions do a similar articles on various branches of Islam.
After all it is imperative to contrast 2 religions and WILL explain the tinder of sectarian violence within Myanmar and else where.
May be how a minority religion behavior should be in a Majority Buddhist country as vice versa in Bangladesh.
Where the treatment of Buddhist Kala and none kala is ignored and pale comparatively to the treatment that Muslim in Myanmar has so far received yet highlighted by the know all NGO, Anonymous posters and academic repeatedly as though it is the “Buddhism problems”.
Migration of Bangladeshi remain unmitigated
and unstoppable, even now more to the interior of Myanmar sponsored by the Muslim/ Islamic organizations within funded by others, such as OIC.
The inciters of recent riots has nothing to do with local/Mandalay racial problems but rather a shot to the bow to the more distant impending conflict to come in the western Myanmar.
Causes of intolerance and prejudice in Buddhism
My Buddhist professor of Buddhism used to describe the Western pursuit for Buddhism as stress reliving therapy as “California Buddhism.”
The Grand Finale
So Prabowo, demonstrating how far from democracy Indonesia really is, states that
the votes of 133 million Indonesians is meaningless, are all fraudulent (without any evidence to prove so), even states that he is no longer a candidate, breaking Indonesia’s electoral rules (once you declare your candidacy, either you claim victory or defeat, but you cannot claim no more interest in the Presidency). As of now, Prabowo status is not certain, despite Jokowi being declared the victor. This does lead to one very important question for Indonesians: As we now know Prabowo is an immature child that lacks grace, dignity and maturity, in the face of defeat, all those Indonesians, that voted for Prabowo, would have expected that he behave otherwise, as President ? Indonesia has come far, but when it comes to the behaviour of some politicians, it is abundantly clear, Indonesia has a long way to go. Prabowo’s behavious is disgraceful and totally unbecoming of a man, claiming to have the skills and virtues to lead Indonesia.
Every vote must be counted, every voice must be heard
To be honest, I want Jokowi to be a winner because I want Rob Allyn failed in Indonesia. 🙂
The Grand Finale
Kompas is reporting the announcement has been delayed 4 hours for administrative reasons although the tally is complete:
http://nasional.kompas.com/read/2014/07/22/1746015/Pengumuman.Pemenang.Pilpres.Diundur.Pukul.20.00.WIB
Malaysia: A discourse-impoverished society
I dunno why this author thinks Malaysians use this word too frequently and incorrectly. I’ve only heard it being used in but one of my classes in all my years. I ain’t never heard this word used in normal conversations and I sure as hell don’t throw this word around willy-nilly. The way he talks about it, it’s like it’s the most trendiest word to utter if you want to appear sophisticated and cultured. Fuck that shit as far as I’m concerned that word is just a fancy way saying “Having a meaningful conversation between more than 2 participants”. I ain’t gonna be guilt tripped into thinking that I’m somehow culturally poor just cuzza I don’t engage in no fucking “discourse” coz fuck you Clive Kessler, my life is just fine without no fucking “discourse” bullshit.
Sectarian conflict in Mandalay
toch,
You must sometimes be perplexed how the people of Burma seemingly totally ignore the elephant in the room. Papa Chinese. And for sure the novel and noble “independent” media (a bunch of kids with expensive cameras and communication devices given by their handlers) never, ever mention about swathes of land and other resources Chinese have already bought (with narcotic money) -along the Pipe and all big cities as well as most of Mandalay- or the money they lent to Than Shwe and Co. for building the most grotesque tunnel ridden Potemkin, etc. (Incidentally it is more than unlikely that that guy Obama dares to go to that North Korean tunneled town. Last time he went to the crumbling moldy concrete block that sickly romantics call ” The Convocation Hall” after a hasty last minute bright idea even though poor Hillary did have to brave the possibility of North Korean incendiary device)
Chinese currently have thorough grip on every thing economic in Burma with strangle hold on ALL the real decision making people in their pocket- (clue for idiots: real decision making people are the ones directly getting money from continuous flow of logging trucks passing through Muse, and surely not Obscenely Hyper celebrated Amayyyy Suuu who is just propped by global corporation’s agents and the “cronies” who are simple front men for the military making money as Chinese’ agents).
There are more and more violent crimes, theft and robbery on the street with daily loud drumming up of the “Allure of the West” (directly via their diaspora or Korean soups and tales from Thai and Singapore returnees). More and more people are of course homeless with nothing to eat and without Kyaw Thu, wouldn’t even have a place to die. During such wonderful time, it is instructive to see all the advanced Burmese youths – and not-so-youths-and academics alike busy with HIV conferences, Laprosy eradication and Gender Equality Empowerment and Constitution amendment whatever it means. Well, at least they will die happy, one would imagine.
Neutral No More?
Election result has been declared by The KPU Indonesia’s election commission. Now what? Amin Rais dissapear? There is no permanent partner in politic. I hope Muhammadiyah keep neutral as an organization.