Ziarah or no Ziarah, NU’s falling support for Jokowi is troubling, as is the support of East Javanese Kiyai for Prabowo. Jokowi, whatever his failings as former Governor of Jakarta, represents a more inclusive political dynamic, than Prabowo’s military and hyperbolic campaign. The ideal is for moderate Islam to prevail, alongside non-Islamic religions in Indonesia, and that dynamic of inclusiveness, tolerance and adat (tradition), rather than political or religious extremism, should be weighed carefully by the electorate. One can only hope that moderate dynamics can be sustained by Jokowi, if he becomes President, as I highly doubt that Prabowo characterises moderation, in any capacity.
Antara black campain vs negative campain
antara uang dan relawan
antara masa lalu dan masa kini
antara hitam dan putih
antara ningrat dan rakyat
semuanya memang bertolak belakang
Well the only argument that could be made for this repeat anti-Thaksin coup is: the politicians (starting from the extrajudicial/corruptive manipulator Thaksin down to the ineffective/useless opposition led by Abhisit) could NOT deliver a functional democracy to the Thais.
The Thai people gets exactly the messy politics they deserve.
But Thailand’s neighbors (Indonesia and Malaysia and Philippines) are similarly sufferring or enduring varying degrees of misery or semi-success as they grapple with the challenges of weeding out dangerous/malignant shadows who pretend to represent their people’s democratic aspirations.
Let us not make any pretense of it SteveCM. Thaksin is a malignancy that Thailand will never tolerate. But that said, even the wicked would persist their Thai sunshine. So I guess the vicious (or is it virtuous?) putsch cycle will be with Thailand for a while yet.
The past two Thai coups had been bloodless (lucky Thais that!). But the third one, which Chris Beale thinks would be Thai colonels led and definitely pro-Isaan and pro-Thaksin, could be …..
I acknowledge Prabowo as a complex ex-military person (well, I’m not saying that he order to kill protestant at 1998 tragedy which still debatable issue).
He has better speech ability and mass communication other than Joko Widodo. That’s a point that sometime foreign medias always put a spotlight and give a room to discuss. He also fluent in speaking English. Wisely, to think Prabowo as president candidate and centralize articles about he himself is unbalanced.
There’s several person that back up him that still having bad reputation such as Abu Rizal Bakri, you can google his business activities and the eternal flood of mud in Sidoarjo.
Rasyid Rajasa, Hatta Rajasa’s son, has accidental case that killed 2 person (happen when Hatta sits as economic ministry)
also free from jail because of “restorative justice”
Both candidate has several weakness.
Jokowi too, he is down-to-earth person that most people asking about his state leadership. And so on.
Those facts are are tip of iceberg. The question and vote back to Indonesian now..
While you do require some time to consolidate the power, one thing you totally forgot or ignore is, how much damage one can do in less than a year or short period of time.
Or perhaps you have forgotten about all the racial massacre happening due to dictators around the world, or perhaps you forgot how Taliban destroyed the Buddha Monument (and of course their short regime and their destruction in the regions.)
While I do agree to your points to certain degree, you should not also forget who is Prabowo. He is a person with shining human abuse record, famous for his temper (in a wrong way), known to threaten and sue people for saying factual things even before he is the President (Facebook case), a person who would asked “Which media company are you from?” when asked about his involvement in 1998 (and not answering the question of course) etc etc.
A comparison to LKY is a total insult to LKY in the first place. While Singapore is facing issues nowadays, you should not forget the stability that LKY had brought to Singapore for the last 30-40 years (depending on one see when the stability ended). So you are comparing a known figure for providing stability to a country and his work records to another figure with human abuse record with nothing to show is a wrong comparison.
Furthermore, Singapore is not even a real Democratic in the first place.
Only Blind and Deaf Person will choose an unresponsible man to be the president! He is ashamed with Blind president! Now, we are more ashamed that a man that is banned from US is going for election! Why US banned him? There must be some sort of reason right? All media has made us blind! All sort of bribe happen!
Sadly, I do believe Indonesia is not ready for Democracy yet, probably another 10-20 years till the citizens are better equipped with the concept.
Clearly, Indonesia Democracy is at its infancy at best (and to be honest, is there even working Democracy in South East Asia?). However, for someone with excellent records of human abuse and racist views to suggest throwing out the system that put him in that position in the first place is totally absurd.
For SBY “so-called incompetent”, one should not forget that he was not able to do things as Soeharto, since it is Democracy during SBY time. For example, if SBY wants A, PDIP or other major Parties insists on B, all for the sake of making SBY tenure looks bad (which has been happening for his 2 terms, which also happening on Obama terms)
For a decade, Indonesia has been bleeding internally from all the political in-fighting, some of the better policies are outright rejected due to personal gain rather than National gain.
As long Megawati is clinging on her power as the Chairman of PDI-P, Jokowi will always be viewed as a puppet, this has been ongoing issue even before he was formally nominated as the President election candidate. (Same issue facing SBY party if they were to join in the fray, will SBY still the chairman with other Presidential candidate?)
Which also address another issue why Indonesian do not have specific support to certain political parties, the answer is actually simply, the parties themselves do not have specific view and always changing depending on personal/party gain. Look at all the parties/politicians changing sides as contrary to their support/non-support comment prior to changing side. (Too many to list..)
As for which Candidates are better, none. It is an election to pick which one is not as worse compare to the other.
As the old American commercial goes: “Where’s the beef” ? There is little difference in the crude demagogic and, in fact, asinine, campaign performances of Prabowo and Jokowi. It is almost impossible not to laugh incessantly at the primitive and self-aggrandizing rhetoric from these two Presidential wannabees. As much as their appeals are humorous and bear no relation to the reality of the individual character of each of the two, there is little quality evident, in their desperate appeals, to be sanctified as Presidential worthy, with
one notable exception, an exception that should be weighed seriously by the electorate. The exception is this: There is
no clear evidence that Jokowi has ever committed any human rights abuses, what ever any other administrative failings, and one cannot say with clear conscience, that Jokowi has blood on his hands. The exact opposite is the case with Prabowo, substantially guilty of human rights abuses, whatever his other military qualities, and indeed, Prabowo has blood on his hands. One among several criteria to weigh between the two, but one that must be weighed, nevertheless.
What is abundantly clear is that, for this individual who has the courage to absolve all Muslims in Myanmar of any possible crimes, but not provide his/her own name, is that any claim by any Buddhist citizen of Myanmar (clearly the author engages in disingenuousness as well, by not outright stating that he/she is referring to Bamar people) is suspect. The author himself (herself) plays ethnic word games by using the term “Bengali Muslim” rather than Rohingya, obviously mocking the clear ethnic fact, correctly believed by Bamar people, that the Rohingya and Bangladeshi Muslims are identical. I challenge the author to conduct a DNA genetic analysis of the mitochondrial DNA sequence of any Rohingya and any average Bangladeshi and prove that the DNA homology between the two individual is not identical.
It is the author that engages in wild conjecture, a priori judgment of those that
criticise possible rape and drug activity of
Muslims in Myanmar, for which such activity among “Bengali Muslims”, is hardly unknown. The bias of the author against Bamar people, Buddhism, U Wirathu (admittedly, a rather
brazen and intolerant individual) and anyone who criticises “Bengali Muslims”, the author’s not-so-subtle mockery of Bamar’s correct ethnic conflation of Rohingya with Bangladeshis, is patently obvious by the fact that the author does not even the courage to use the words “Bamar” and “Ronhingya” in the commentary.
The correct final analysis should read as follows:
The facts are VERY important to this article, AND to many others, by this author. What is important is the cautionary tale: A false a priori belief that Muslims are incapable of raping Buddhist women, and Muslims never threaten Buddhists’ livelihoods and safety in Myanmar.
This is the cautionary tale, that as much as proof of a crime must be validated in all instances, an a priori bias, absolving in absentia a whole cultural group, motivated by ideology, will make such proof irrelevant
to the ideological blind. I am quite sure were a similar scenario engendered where a
“Bengali Muslim” was purportedly raped by a Buddhist Bamar, the author would not wait for the actual forensic evidence, but would hasten to accuse all Bamar of the propensity towards raping “Bengali Muslim” women. In this instance the tale would not be cautionary, it would merely be inflammatory and biased, much like the commentary we see here. The difference being, the author would not question Bamar men’s capacity for rape, but would question the capacity of Bamar people to sincerely and validly assess “Muslim Bengali” men’s capacity for rape (or drug distribution).
Well dear yang ngomong omongan disini dangkal,partisan dll, for your information dia profesor dan dr loh jadi sudah pasti memiliki dasar untuk mengeluarkan analisisnya, ga sembarangan ngomong. Pihak luar udh sering mengingatkan kita bobroknya prab. Jokowi udh terbukti dan diakui olh internasional, terbukti dgn prestasinya yg diulas majalah2 dan situs dunia.
IF this is an academic blog, Australia must have very low standards. And many of the commentators here are like school children, Prabowo had bad intentions. Therefore he must be stopped at all cost.
First off there is one certainty in life, people die. Got that. Why do people never take a Kings who start their rule at 63 seriously? Why you take 75 year old President who says I want to be President for life seriously? The biological clock is stacked against Prabowo. IF he dies of a Heart Attack at 70, that wouldn’t finish two terms.
Secondly, motive is not enough, dictatorships form because of conditions. Even if Prabowo was to form a dictatorship, how long will it last? I am just stating fact that dictatorships is a young man’s game, I listed facts. And all I got was tirades. Secondly, did I ever mention Prabowo wanted to become a new Suharto. The author actually drops many hints that he Prabowo wants to be a strongman dictator. All I did was list numerous dictators, which one LKY, Prabowo has said many times, wants to emulate. Is that enough for you?
As for complexities, most of the articles here about Prabowo are devoid of complexity. Strip away the academic language, and you get Prabowo – Evil.
There is no analysis of how much power Prabowo has in reality. Supposedly Suharto slaughtered 500,000 Commies, but did do it himself. Other people were involved also. It was a collaborative effort. It took over a decade for Suharto to consolidate his power. Why do people naively believe that from day one Prabowo will be undermining Democratic institution in Indonesia?
One man dictatorships form after a group of pwople get into power, and than one individual slowly consolidates his power within that group. LKY was first among equals in the PAP in the early 1960s.by 1980 he was a one man how. In my opinion, Prabowo does not have the time to consolidate power.
I can confirm we haven’t been overwhelmed with a flood of pro-coup or coup-apologetic commentary. For those of you writing from this perspective, we do take submissions at the usual place. We’re open to presenting a wide range of anecdote, analysis and new perspectives. Always have, always will.
Wow, really? Good analysis right there, bro just repeating everything that was written in the article. You know that this article is a persuasive argument right?
Kompas did not fragmented any quotation whatsoever. If you are a good reader, which clearly you are not, this article written that Kompas has paraphrased Prabowo’s statement. Another thing to add about MPR election way, you can see that the writers have said presumably. It was the writer’s interpretation of what Prabowo said when he does not agree of direct election.
Get your facts straight. Well, this is one of the example of uneducated person. I don’t get why all Prabowo’s supporters are soooo dumb. Take an example of Ahmad Dhani, stealing people’s music and still saying that he’s an artist. Yeah right.
Hey Mr John Connor..
If you say something like Yudhoyono is the pocket of multinationals, that means you are also saying Prabowo is probably the same case, potential pocket. Yudhoyono has decided to side with Prabowo in the end, believing that Prabowo could continue whatever program he has been developing so far.
Whatever you have argued above is only speculation, while Yudhoyono supporting Prabowo is black and white fact.
[…] This is in line with that campaign’s failure to highlight similarly anti-democratic elements in Prabowo’s statements and appeal, and its apparent unwillingness to pitch this election as one in which the future of Indonesia’s democratic system is at stake. http://www.newmandala.org/2014/06/30/prabowo-subianto-vote-for-me-but-just-the-once/ […]
i don’t have any solution. i am just a small business owner. i am not a politician nor a stateman. if you expect me to do so, i think you are dreaming. my comment was more about i understand what Prabowo trying to do because of my personal experience.
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Ziarah or no Ziarah, NU’s falling support for Jokowi is troubling, as is the support of East Javanese Kiyai for Prabowo. Jokowi, whatever his failings as former Governor of Jakarta, represents a more inclusive political dynamic, than Prabowo’s military and hyperbolic campaign. The ideal is for moderate Islam to prevail, alongside non-Islamic religions in Indonesia, and that dynamic of inclusiveness, tolerance and adat (tradition), rather than political or religious extremism, should be weighed carefully by the electorate. One can only hope that moderate dynamics can be sustained by Jokowi, if he becomes President, as I highly doubt that Prabowo characterises moderation, in any capacity.
Demokrasi Indonesia Dalam Bahaya
Antara black campain vs negative campain
antara uang dan relawan
antara masa lalu dan masa kini
antara hitam dan putih
antara ningrat dan rakyat
semuanya memang bertolak belakang
Thailand’s coup: same same but different?
Well the only argument that could be made for this repeat anti-Thaksin coup is: the politicians (starting from the extrajudicial/corruptive manipulator Thaksin down to the ineffective/useless opposition led by Abhisit) could NOT deliver a functional democracy to the Thais.
The Thai people gets exactly the messy politics they deserve.
But Thailand’s neighbors (Indonesia and Malaysia and Philippines) are similarly sufferring or enduring varying degrees of misery or semi-success as they grapple with the challenges of weeding out dangerous/malignant shadows who pretend to represent their people’s democratic aspirations.
Let us not make any pretense of it SteveCM. Thaksin is a malignancy that Thailand will never tolerate. But that said, even the wicked would persist their Thai sunshine. So I guess the vicious (or is it virtuous?) putsch cycle will be with Thailand for a while yet.
The past two Thai coups had been bloodless (lucky Thais that!). But the third one, which Chris Beale thinks would be Thai colonels led and definitely pro-Isaan and pro-Thaksin, could be …..
Prabowo Subianto: vote for me, but just the once
I acknowledge Prabowo as a complex ex-military person (well, I’m not saying that he order to kill protestant at 1998 tragedy which still debatable issue).
He has better speech ability and mass communication other than Joko Widodo. That’s a point that sometime foreign medias always put a spotlight and give a room to discuss. He also fluent in speaking English. Wisely, to think Prabowo as president candidate and centralize articles about he himself is unbalanced.
There’s several person that back up him that still having bad reputation such as Abu Rizal Bakri, you can google his business activities and the eternal flood of mud in Sidoarjo.
Rasyid Rajasa, Hatta Rajasa’s son, has accidental case that killed 2 person (happen when Hatta sits as economic ministry)
also free from jail because of “restorative justice”
Both candidate has several weakness.
Jokowi too, he is down-to-earth person that most people asking about his state leadership. And so on.
Those facts are are tip of iceberg. The question and vote back to Indonesian now..
Don’t be fooled – Prabowo (still) wants to get rid of direct presidential elections
While you do require some time to consolidate the power, one thing you totally forgot or ignore is, how much damage one can do in less than a year or short period of time.
Or perhaps you have forgotten about all the racial massacre happening due to dictators around the world, or perhaps you forgot how Taliban destroyed the Buddha Monument (and of course their short regime and their destruction in the regions.)
While I do agree to your points to certain degree, you should not also forget who is Prabowo. He is a person with shining human abuse record, famous for his temper (in a wrong way), known to threaten and sue people for saying factual things even before he is the President (Facebook case), a person who would asked “Which media company are you from?” when asked about his involvement in 1998 (and not answering the question of course) etc etc.
A comparison to LKY is a total insult to LKY in the first place. While Singapore is facing issues nowadays, you should not forget the stability that LKY had brought to Singapore for the last 30-40 years (depending on one see when the stability ended). So you are comparing a known figure for providing stability to a country and his work records to another figure with human abuse record with nothing to show is a wrong comparison.
Furthermore, Singapore is not even a real Democratic in the first place.
Prabowo Subianto: pilihlah aku, tetapi sekali saja
Only Blind and Deaf Person will choose an unresponsible man to be the president! He is ashamed with Blind president! Now, we are more ashamed that a man that is banned from US is going for election! Why US banned him? There must be some sort of reason right? All media has made us blind! All sort of bribe happen!
Or probably he pay people to vote for him https://twitter.com/ReneCC/status/483634438400536576 SHAME
Jokowi and Prabowo reflect a decade of frustrations with SBY
Sadly, I do believe Indonesia is not ready for Democracy yet, probably another 10-20 years till the citizens are better equipped with the concept.
Clearly, Indonesia Democracy is at its infancy at best (and to be honest, is there even working Democracy in South East Asia?). However, for someone with excellent records of human abuse and racist views to suggest throwing out the system that put him in that position in the first place is totally absurd.
For SBY “so-called incompetent”, one should not forget that he was not able to do things as Soeharto, since it is Democracy during SBY time. For example, if SBY wants A, PDIP or other major Parties insists on B, all for the sake of making SBY tenure looks bad (which has been happening for his 2 terms, which also happening on Obama terms)
For a decade, Indonesia has been bleeding internally from all the political in-fighting, some of the better policies are outright rejected due to personal gain rather than National gain.
As long Megawati is clinging on her power as the Chairman of PDI-P, Jokowi will always be viewed as a puppet, this has been ongoing issue even before he was formally nominated as the President election candidate. (Same issue facing SBY party if they were to join in the fray, will SBY still the chairman with other Presidential candidate?)
Which also address another issue why Indonesian do not have specific support to certain political parties, the answer is actually simply, the parties themselves do not have specific view and always changing depending on personal/party gain. Look at all the parties/politicians changing sides as contrary to their support/non-support comment prior to changing side. (Too many to list..)
As for which Candidates are better, none. It is an election to pick which one is not as worse compare to the other.
Mixed messages
As the old American commercial goes: “Where’s the beef” ? There is little difference in the crude demagogic and, in fact, asinine, campaign performances of Prabowo and Jokowi. It is almost impossible not to laugh incessantly at the primitive and self-aggrandizing rhetoric from these two Presidential wannabees. As much as their appeals are humorous and bear no relation to the reality of the individual character of each of the two, there is little quality evident, in their desperate appeals, to be sanctified as Presidential worthy, with
one notable exception, an exception that should be weighed seriously by the electorate. The exception is this: There is
no clear evidence that Jokowi has ever committed any human rights abuses, what ever any other administrative failings, and one cannot say with clear conscience, that Jokowi has blood on his hands. The exact opposite is the case with Prabowo, substantially guilty of human rights abuses, whatever his other military qualities, and indeed, Prabowo has blood on his hands. One among several criteria to weigh between the two, but one that must be weighed, nevertheless.
Rumour, religion and riots in Mandalay
What is abundantly clear is that, for this individual who has the courage to absolve all Muslims in Myanmar of any possible crimes, but not provide his/her own name, is that any claim by any Buddhist citizen of Myanmar (clearly the author engages in disingenuousness as well, by not outright stating that he/she is referring to Bamar people) is suspect. The author himself (herself) plays ethnic word games by using the term “Bengali Muslim” rather than Rohingya, obviously mocking the clear ethnic fact, correctly believed by Bamar people, that the Rohingya and Bangladeshi Muslims are identical. I challenge the author to conduct a DNA genetic analysis of the mitochondrial DNA sequence of any Rohingya and any average Bangladeshi and prove that the DNA homology between the two individual is not identical.
It is the author that engages in wild conjecture, a priori judgment of those that
criticise possible rape and drug activity of
Muslims in Myanmar, for which such activity among “Bengali Muslims”, is hardly unknown. The bias of the author against Bamar people, Buddhism, U Wirathu (admittedly, a rather
brazen and intolerant individual) and anyone who criticises “Bengali Muslims”, the author’s not-so-subtle mockery of Bamar’s correct ethnic conflation of Rohingya with Bangladeshis, is patently obvious by the fact that the author does not even the courage to use the words “Bamar” and “Ronhingya” in the commentary.
The correct final analysis should read as follows:
The facts are VERY important to this article, AND to many others, by this author. What is important is the cautionary tale: A false a priori belief that Muslims are incapable of raping Buddhist women, and Muslims never threaten Buddhists’ livelihoods and safety in Myanmar.
This is the cautionary tale, that as much as proof of a crime must be validated in all instances, an a priori bias, absolving in absentia a whole cultural group, motivated by ideology, will make such proof irrelevant
to the ideological blind. I am quite sure were a similar scenario engendered where a
“Bengali Muslim” was purportedly raped by a Buddhist Bamar, the author would not wait for the actual forensic evidence, but would hasten to accuse all Bamar of the propensity towards raping “Bengali Muslim” women. In this instance the tale would not be cautionary, it would merely be inflammatory and biased, much like the commentary we see here. The difference being, the author would not question Bamar men’s capacity for rape, but would question the capacity of Bamar people to sincerely and validly assess “Muslim Bengali” men’s capacity for rape (or drug distribution).
The TPP: Najib Razak’s Gordian Knot
Greg, what do you make of Nambiar’s thinking about these issues?
Prabowo Subianto: pilihlah aku, tetapi sekali saja
Well dear yang ngomong omongan disini dangkal,partisan dll, for your information dia profesor dan dr loh jadi sudah pasti memiliki dasar untuk mengeluarkan analisisnya, ga sembarangan ngomong. Pihak luar udh sering mengingatkan kita bobroknya prab. Jokowi udh terbukti dan diakui olh internasional, terbukti dgn prestasinya yg diulas majalah2 dan situs dunia.
Thailand’s coup: same same but different?
well he’s definitely more akin to something that came crawling out of the woodwork than some Sorbonne scholar
Don’t be fooled – Prabowo (still) wants to get rid of direct presidential elections
IF this is an academic blog, Australia must have very low standards. And many of the commentators here are like school children, Prabowo had bad intentions. Therefore he must be stopped at all cost.
First off there is one certainty in life, people die. Got that. Why do people never take a Kings who start their rule at 63 seriously? Why you take 75 year old President who says I want to be President for life seriously? The biological clock is stacked against Prabowo. IF he dies of a Heart Attack at 70, that wouldn’t finish two terms.
Secondly, motive is not enough, dictatorships form because of conditions. Even if Prabowo was to form a dictatorship, how long will it last? I am just stating fact that dictatorships is a young man’s game, I listed facts. And all I got was tirades. Secondly, did I ever mention Prabowo wanted to become a new Suharto. The author actually drops many hints that he Prabowo wants to be a strongman dictator. All I did was list numerous dictators, which one LKY, Prabowo has said many times, wants to emulate. Is that enough for you?
As for complexities, most of the articles here about Prabowo are devoid of complexity. Strip away the academic language, and you get Prabowo – Evil.
There is no analysis of how much power Prabowo has in reality. Supposedly Suharto slaughtered 500,000 Commies, but did do it himself. Other people were involved also. It was a collaborative effort. It took over a decade for Suharto to consolidate his power. Why do people naively believe that from day one Prabowo will be undermining Democratic institution in Indonesia?
One man dictatorships form after a group of pwople get into power, and than one individual slowly consolidates his power within that group. LKY was first among equals in the PAP in the early 1960s.by 1980 he was a one man how. In my opinion, Prabowo does not have the time to consolidate power.
Thailand’s coup: same same but different?
Thanks SteveCM,
I can confirm we haven’t been overwhelmed with a flood of pro-coup or coup-apologetic commentary. For those of you writing from this perspective, we do take submissions at the usual place. We’re open to presenting a wide range of anecdote, analysis and new perspectives. Always have, always will.
Best wishes to all,
Nich
Jokowi and Prabowo reflect a decade of frustrations with SBY
I pity you for eating up all the lies and rumours that Prabowo’s team has spread. What a very intelligent comment you made there, Madam.
Prabowo Subianto: vote for me, but just the once
Wow, really? Good analysis right there, bro just repeating everything that was written in the article. You know that this article is a persuasive argument right?
Kompas did not fragmented any quotation whatsoever. If you are a good reader, which clearly you are not, this article written that Kompas has paraphrased Prabowo’s statement. Another thing to add about MPR election way, you can see that the writers have said presumably. It was the writer’s interpretation of what Prabowo said when he does not agree of direct election.
Get your facts straight. Well, this is one of the example of uneducated person. I don’t get why all Prabowo’s supporters are soooo dumb. Take an example of Ahmad Dhani, stealing people’s music and still saying that he’s an artist. Yeah right.
Anti-democratic? Prabowo’s response
Hey Mr John Connor..
If you say something like Yudhoyono is the pocket of multinationals, that means you are also saying Prabowo is probably the same case, potential pocket. Yudhoyono has decided to side with Prabowo in the end, believing that Prabowo could continue whatever program he has been developing so far.
Whatever you have argued above is only speculation, while Yudhoyono supporting Prabowo is black and white fact.
ANU event on Thai coup
a Socap or a Capsoc? Whatever you call it, it’s giving subsidized health care to the poor from a capitalist. Really gets the elite classes frothing.
Prabowo Subianto: vote for me, but just the once
[…] This is in line with that campaign’s failure to highlight similarly anti-democratic elements in Prabowo’s statements and appeal, and its apparent unwillingness to pitch this election as one in which the future of Indonesia’s democratic system is at stake. http://www.newmandala.org/2014/06/30/prabowo-subianto-vote-for-me-but-just-the-once/ […]
Anti-democratic? Prabowo’s response
i don’t have any solution. i am just a small business owner. i am not a politician nor a stateman. if you expect me to do so, i think you are dreaming. my comment was more about i understand what Prabowo trying to do because of my personal experience.