The truth is no one wants to pull the trigger and start a civil war. The UDD are showing restraint but this will evaporate if the Senate do a deal with Suthep.
Suthep’s reaction is a pointed reminder that he is no statesman. He shows all of the petulant behaviour of a deprived child.
I think even Prayuth and the other ringmasters realise that Suthep is a major embarrassment. He needs to be tapped on the shoulder or if there was any law enforcement bundled off to the Thai equivalent of the watch house.along with the mad monk.
Some had a problem with ABRI, others queued up to join. CAVR? Ahem, a friend of mine survived the Fretilin massacres, one of very few. He wanted to tell his story. CAVR commissioners dropped by one night to threaten him. They reminded him that he lived in a neighbourhood surrounded by the sons of the men who committed those massacres. He already knew that. His wife freaked, his son wanted to go back to Indonesia. How about the CAVR commissioner who was an SGI agent, liason and interpreter on an ALRI boat during Operasi Satan Netik to confront the Lusitanio? Or the CAVR commissioner whose porkies covered up the Ermera massacre of 14 unarmed civilians, men women and kids, kidnapped by Independence activists and locked in the Church before being murdered in 1999? Should I continue? Mainstreaming propaganda is mythmaking. Not history, not scholarship.
Timor is an independent country with many more influences other than indonesian, going all the way back to Portugal’s 400 year plus colonisation from 1701-1975, seen in their language, dress, food, attitudes. Since Independence in 2002, there have been many more international influences ranging from interactions with Australian artists, Pakistani and Lao restaurants, to infatuations with Portuguese soccer teams and Brazilian capoeira. The Geracao Foun (Tetum. New Generation) was educated under Indonesia-occupied Timor-Leste and exposed to indonesian cultures and languages, including the culture of resistance in the form of Indonesia’s own pro-democracy movement. Their identity was forged through their role in the clandestine movement resisting Indonesian occupation. While this generation identifies with Indonesian cultures, none would say they are Indonesian. Marginalised in the new nation state, yes. Adrift? No.
It is true there has also been internal conflict in Timor-Leste.
The Timorese elites themselves have acknowledged this, and the period of internal armed conflict prior to Indonesia’s invasion is covered in the CAVR report. It can be accessed here:
However, the report, which builds on 8000 witness statements, also demonstrates that the scale of violence and killings carried out by Indonesian troops far outnumbers those arising due to internal conflict.
While Timor-Leste has been able to make efforts to acknowledge its past, despite its lack of resources and immediate challenges, it seems Indonesia continues to find it difficult to do the same.
Like we say in the article, the Timorese will often say that ‘we have no problem with the Indonesian people, our problem is with the military; the Indonesian people have also been victims’.
Vichai, that is simply not true. The government has at all times been prepared to listen and to hold talks, whether directly or brokered by a third party. It is purely Suthep, your beloved “Kamnan” and his “People’s Campaign for Absolute Democracy” (Whatever that is!)who, as a point of principle have refused to talk because they say they will accept nothing other than the removal of the elected government and the total banishment of the Shinawatra family from politics. That is why there have been no discussions. It is the only reason.
Now we are on the subject of the Rothschildes Red Shield crowd, real or imaginary- (except that George Soros- the god father of NLD, 88 students, DVB, The Irrawaddy, what else?- remains the most visible agent of it), their DEBT MONEY SYSTEM the “West” is in and are so inured that they, like the genie in the bottle prefer to be stuck in, is now rapidly infecting the country Burma.
It would be so fascinating to observe the demise of currently serendipitous “Independent” monetary system in Burma- one true virtue of being an isolated country and economic system- now being transformed rapidly into DEBT Money System as being rushed through by those ruthless, soulless, reckless, graceless executioners for the money cartel -IMF and WB and its sister org’s.
Interestingly there are so many people fighting for debt free monetary system around the world. Like Shiekh Imran Nazar Hosein, Wendy Brown, Bill Still, etc. Usury being such the most devastating human degradation.
But no one is showing any interest in a country where the monetary system is going to the dogs under their very eyes like watching a child being run over by a truck in a slow motion. A truck that can be stopped!
Those sons and daughters of Burma itself conversant in economics and monetary systems are now seen very prominently in conducting/ facilitating the descent of their motherland into the hell-hole.
Surprising if one thinks that they themselves and their relatives are also in it. They even seem infinitely delighted about it. Human stupidity has no bound.
More and more experts conclude that Sutheps plan to set up an unelected council is unlawful and would involve presenting HM K with an illegal document. The only way forward for Suthep and his backers is a good old fashioned coup, Tear up the constitution and start again.
Prayuth has stated he will only stage a coup if violence brakes out so there you have it.
You know capitalism works by seduction, appealing to basic, nay baser, human instincts, utilising psychology to the hilt. How many more messiahs do you need for how many more millennia to exhort the human race to stay true to a moral compass? Capitalism beats religion hands down.
It has become a bullet train today but there are always countercurrents in every society striving to stop that juggernaut in its tracks however impossible it may seem. The task is harder still in the West, the wellspring of the prevailing order renamed the New World Order, but the conspicuous consumption bug will not find a big constituency in a place like Burma. We live in challenging as well as interesting times.
Here is my prediction and this prediction is ugly: Perhaps sooner, rather than later, the protagonists in Thailand’s ongoing political miry and boggy landscape be settling with and by blows, deadly blows against each other.
Because no one, not any of the Thai political masters from any of the opposing camps, is willing to talk, or willing to negotiate. And eventually the deadly blows will come, each camp getting more vicious, responding to violence with violence.
The Kamnan had said he is getting fed up with the one-way murderous attacks directed at his followers and he is ready to end his peaceful ‘Uprood’ rallies anytime soon. That is not a good sign.
Perhaps a bit more accurately ASEAN was, is and ‘ll always be a sickshow. This club of thugs and war criminals and drug runners per excellence pimping in unison for your “New World Order” far better than that of Wells, is, as intended, so very popular with the “progressive and advanced citizens” of the those countries and they also happen to be prime movers in those countries as well.
Anything the international business communities want is repackaged as something “Good for ASEAN” and for a small fee to the gatekeepers- the above crowd- NWO has a free hand everywhere. Like ASEAN Lan Ma Gyi in Burma right now. And tariff free advance economy. Would be funny if it does not entail starving dead bodies in millions in next few years to come.
These extravagant and massively expensive meetings and conferences of total BS drummed up by ever effusive propaganda arm – “media” they call it now- are highly useful to make all the fools residing in these countries think as they are world standard people-their life’s aim.
Indeed! World standard suckers! Rapidly losing their lands, waters, all sorts of resources and most of all their own families and their own souls.
Today’s Burma is excellent place in that way for a “descent in progress” study by a behavioral scientist.
Prime Minister Najib, PAS, Isma and Perkasa
are ruining Malaysia, day by day, and haven’t a clue about human rights or Islam. Racist and neo-Nazi comments of Isma continue on a daily basis, and PM Najib merely states that Islam and human rights are incompatible, while stating that he is a proponent of moderate Islam at the same time. What the Government and the Malay NGOs are proponents of, are a national farce that is so obvious in its venal and corrupt intentions, that Malaysia is subjected to administrative debasement and self-mockery on a daily basis.
What one hears, today, from groups like Isma, calling for the removal of non-Malays, the introduction of Hudud, the issuance of threats against non-Malays, and the usual wild anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, is hardly different than the tone set in Germany in 1938 by the National Socialist German’s Workers Party. Threats to protect Malay purity and Ketuanan Melayu, are the same delusional Aryan nonsense propagated by the Nazis. Given the attack against two Catholic nuns on 15 May, one wonders whether Malaysia has lost its sanity all together.
The standards set by Prime Minister Najib are
so low, that one need not even bother to care. This analysis of Malaysia is evidently UMNO-approved as it presumes that Najib’s goals are sincere and laudatory, when in fact, the BN ruling coalition is an embarrassment to Malaysia, is corrupt and incompetent beyond measure, and plays games with the opposition parties and the Malaysian people. With rising Islamic and Malay fanaticism, talk of introducing Hudud in the nation, increasing persecution of opposition politicians, as well as well-known intellectuals, a missing airplane still very much a mystery, and a former Prime Minister,
very much a nagging aunt, rather than a quiet
citizen, Malaysia will no see any socioeconomic improvements whatsoever, when beset by a corrupt and venal Government, a biased judiciary, a collection of racist and fanatical Malay NGOs, and an citizenry more divided than ever before. When the Malaysian
Constitution is debased on a daily basis by the BN coalition and the corrupt judiciary, the photo above, showing obsequious fealty to
a Prime Minister, who has proven himself totally incapable of managing the nation, shows all that needs to be seen about the state of affairs in Malaysia. Dr Nambiar’s comment that PM Najib has set forth a brave agenda is as absurd and bogus, as is the false demonstration of fealty in the accompanying photo. There is nothing brave about PM Najib, and even less so with his timid and disingenuous leadership of Malaysia. The commentary is as obsequious as those that beseech BN constantly for personal favours. Malaysia is in trouble, and the rhetoric of rising racist and ethnocentric fanatical Muslims, is not the indicator of a nation on the path to either social or economic advancement, but rather signs of a very troubled nation.
Over the past 12 years, Timor-Leste is an independent country with loads of indonesian influences. This new generation is highly influenced by an indonesian culture, which makes them timorese with no identity. Are they proud of their nationality? Are they proud of their own official languages? Undoubtedly, the spirit of this young timorese is adrift, there┬┤s a clamant lack of main references and the heritage left by the indonesians explains this silence about this Indonesian presidential candidate Prabowo Subianto issue. Timor-Leste is a province of Indonesia, everybody speaks Bahasa Indonesia and the Indonesians feel like being at home.
This comment is a bit out of topic (above article)… but for those of U who still buy Najib’s moderate Muslim craptrap, he recently said ” Human Rights” is anti Islam in a speech with a predominantly Muslim audience.
The European Union can surely be quite a good source of inspiration for an ASEAN-based “community” of Nations, but only if it is regarded as a theoretical model. Although they need to be broadly improved, the two EU Treaties really deserve to be studied and partly copied by other regional communities of States, but their current ideological and disastrous implementation (in both internal and foreign affairs) shall be rejected as a serious diversion from the balanced legal, economic, democratic and moral system they establish.
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A coup by any other name…
The truth is no one wants to pull the trigger and start a civil war. The UDD are showing restraint but this will evaporate if the Senate do a deal with Suthep.
Suthep’s reaction is a pointed reminder that he is no statesman. He shows all of the petulant behaviour of a deprived child.
I think even Prayuth and the other ringmasters realise that Suthep is a major embarrassment. He needs to be tapped on the shoulder or if there was any law enforcement bundled off to the Thai equivalent of the watch house.along with the mad monk.
A coup by any other name…
And it looks like the pro-Thaksin forces have won : http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Disappointed-Suthep-vows-to-find-his-own-way-sayin-30233847.html
Timor’s silence
Some had a problem with ABRI, others queued up to join. CAVR? Ahem, a friend of mine survived the Fretilin massacres, one of very few. He wanted to tell his story. CAVR commissioners dropped by one night to threaten him. They reminded him that he lived in a neighbourhood surrounded by the sons of the men who committed those massacres. He already knew that. His wife freaked, his son wanted to go back to Indonesia. How about the CAVR commissioner who was an SGI agent, liason and interpreter on an ALRI boat during Operasi Satan Netik to confront the Lusitanio? Or the CAVR commissioner whose porkies covered up the Ermera massacre of 14 unarmed civilians, men women and kids, kidnapped by Independence activists and locked in the Church before being murdered in 1999? Should I continue? Mainstreaming propaganda is mythmaking. Not history, not scholarship.
Timor’s silence
Timor is an independent country with many more influences other than indonesian, going all the way back to Portugal’s 400 year plus colonisation from 1701-1975, seen in their language, dress, food, attitudes. Since Independence in 2002, there have been many more international influences ranging from interactions with Australian artists, Pakistani and Lao restaurants, to infatuations with Portuguese soccer teams and Brazilian capoeira. The Geracao Foun (Tetum. New Generation) was educated under Indonesia-occupied Timor-Leste and exposed to indonesian cultures and languages, including the culture of resistance in the form of Indonesia’s own pro-democracy movement. Their identity was forged through their role in the clandestine movement resisting Indonesian occupation. While this generation identifies with Indonesian cultures, none would say they are Indonesian. Marginalised in the new nation state, yes. Adrift? No.
Timor’s silence
It is true there has also been internal conflict in Timor-Leste.
The Timorese elites themselves have acknowledged this, and the period of internal armed conflict prior to Indonesia’s invasion is covered in the CAVR report. It can be accessed here:
http://www.cavr-timorleste.org/en/chegaReport.htm
However, the report, which builds on 8000 witness statements, also demonstrates that the scale of violence and killings carried out by Indonesian troops far outnumbers those arising due to internal conflict.
Gerry van Klinken wrote recently in Inside Indonesia about Prabowo’s role as the Commander of Kopassus at the time of the Kraras massacre.
http://www.insideindonesia.org/current-edition/prabowo-and-human-rights
While Timor-Leste has been able to make efforts to acknowledge its past, despite its lack of resources and immediate challenges, it seems Indonesia continues to find it difficult to do the same.
Like we say in the article, the Timorese will often say that ‘we have no problem with the Indonesian people, our problem is with the military; the Indonesian people have also been victims’.
A coup by any other name…
Vichai, that is simply not true. The government has at all times been prepared to listen and to hold talks, whether directly or brokered by a third party. It is purely Suthep, your beloved “Kamnan” and his “People’s Campaign for Absolute Democracy” (Whatever that is!)who, as a point of principle have refused to talk because they say they will accept nothing other than the removal of the elected government and the total banishment of the Shinawatra family from politics. That is why there have been no discussions. It is the only reason.
Myanmar’s unreliable narrators
Now we are on the subject of the Rothschildes Red Shield crowd, real or imaginary- (except that George Soros- the god father of NLD, 88 students, DVB, The Irrawaddy, what else?- remains the most visible agent of it), their DEBT MONEY SYSTEM the “West” is in and are so inured that they, like the genie in the bottle prefer to be stuck in, is now rapidly infecting the country Burma.
It would be so fascinating to observe the demise of currently serendipitous “Independent” monetary system in Burma- one true virtue of being an isolated country and economic system- now being transformed rapidly into DEBT Money System as being rushed through by those ruthless, soulless, reckless, graceless executioners for the money cartel -IMF and WB and its sister org’s.
Interestingly there are so many people fighting for debt free monetary system around the world. Like Shiekh Imran Nazar Hosein, Wendy Brown, Bill Still, etc. Usury being such the most devastating human degradation.
But no one is showing any interest in a country where the monetary system is going to the dogs under their very eyes like watching a child being run over by a truck in a slow motion. A truck that can be stopped!
Those sons and daughters of Burma itself conversant in economics and monetary systems are now seen very prominently in conducting/ facilitating the descent of their motherland into the hell-hole.
Surprising if one thinks that they themselves and their relatives are also in it. They even seem infinitely delighted about it. Human stupidity has no bound.
A coup by any other name…
More and more experts conclude that Sutheps plan to set up an unelected council is unlawful and would involve presenting HM K with an illegal document. The only way forward for Suthep and his backers is a good old fashioned coup, Tear up the constitution and start again.
Prayuth has stated he will only stage a coup if violence brakes out so there you have it.
Wither Human Rights?
The translation is now available here http://kontras.org/index.php?hal=opini&id=141 (translated by Indria Fernida of KontraS).
Myanmar’s unreliable narrators
Ohn,
You know capitalism works by seduction, appealing to basic, nay baser, human instincts, utilising psychology to the hilt. How many more messiahs do you need for how many more millennia to exhort the human race to stay true to a moral compass? Capitalism beats religion hands down.
Heinrich Heine recognised the power of financial capitalists, the real masters of the universe, when back in the 19th C he said famously, “Money is the god of our times and Rothschild is his prophet”.
It has become a bullet train today but there are always countercurrents in every society striving to stop that juggernaut in its tracks however impossible it may seem. The task is harder still in the West, the wellspring of the prevailing order renamed the New World Order, but the conspicuous consumption bug will not find a big constituency in a place like Burma. We live in challenging as well as interesting times.
Wither Human Rights?
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A coup by any other name…
Here is my prediction and this prediction is ugly: Perhaps sooner, rather than later, the protagonists in Thailand’s ongoing political miry and boggy landscape be settling with and by blows, deadly blows against each other.
Because no one, not any of the Thai political masters from any of the opposing camps, is willing to talk, or willing to negotiate. And eventually the deadly blows will come, each camp getting more vicious, responding to violence with violence.
The Kamnan had said he is getting fed up with the one-way murderous attacks directed at his followers and he is ready to end his peaceful ‘Uprood’ rallies anytime soon. That is not a good sign.
Myanmar’s ASEAN challenges
“ASEAN is merely a sideshow ….”
Perhaps a bit more accurately ASEAN was, is and ‘ll always be a sickshow. This club of thugs and war criminals and drug runners per excellence pimping in unison for your “New World Order” far better than that of Wells, is, as intended, so very popular with the “progressive and advanced citizens” of the those countries and they also happen to be prime movers in those countries as well.
Anything the international business communities want is repackaged as something “Good for ASEAN” and for a small fee to the gatekeepers- the above crowd- NWO has a free hand everywhere. Like ASEAN Lan Ma Gyi in Burma right now. And tariff free advance economy. Would be funny if it does not entail starving dead bodies in millions in next few years to come.
These extravagant and massively expensive meetings and conferences of total BS drummed up by ever effusive propaganda arm – “media” they call it now- are highly useful to make all the fools residing in these countries think as they are world standard people-their life’s aim.
Indeed! World standard suckers! Rapidly losing their lands, waters, all sorts of resources and most of all their own families and their own souls.
Today’s Burma is excellent place in that way for a “descent in progress” study by a behavioral scientist.
Wither Human Rights?
Prime Minister Najib, PAS, Isma and Perkasa
are ruining Malaysia, day by day, and haven’t a clue about human rights or Islam. Racist and neo-Nazi comments of Isma continue on a daily basis, and PM Najib merely states that Islam and human rights are incompatible, while stating that he is a proponent of moderate Islam at the same time. What the Government and the Malay NGOs are proponents of, are a national farce that is so obvious in its venal and corrupt intentions, that Malaysia is subjected to administrative debasement and self-mockery on a daily basis.
What one hears, today, from groups like Isma, calling for the removal of non-Malays, the introduction of Hudud, the issuance of threats against non-Malays, and the usual wild anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, is hardly different than the tone set in Germany in 1938 by the National Socialist German’s Workers Party. Threats to protect Malay purity and Ketuanan Melayu, are the same delusional Aryan nonsense propagated by the Nazis. Given the attack against two Catholic nuns on 15 May, one wonders whether Malaysia has lost its sanity all together.
Malaysia’s ETP: Of diagnosis and prescription
The standards set by Prime Minister Najib are
so low, that one need not even bother to care. This analysis of Malaysia is evidently UMNO-approved as it presumes that Najib’s goals are sincere and laudatory, when in fact, the BN ruling coalition is an embarrassment to Malaysia, is corrupt and incompetent beyond measure, and plays games with the opposition parties and the Malaysian people. With rising Islamic and Malay fanaticism, talk of introducing Hudud in the nation, increasing persecution of opposition politicians, as well as well-known intellectuals, a missing airplane still very much a mystery, and a former Prime Minister,
very much a nagging aunt, rather than a quiet
citizen, Malaysia will no see any socioeconomic improvements whatsoever, when beset by a corrupt and venal Government, a biased judiciary, a collection of racist and fanatical Malay NGOs, and an citizenry more divided than ever before. When the Malaysian
Constitution is debased on a daily basis by the BN coalition and the corrupt judiciary, the photo above, showing obsequious fealty to
a Prime Minister, who has proven himself totally incapable of managing the nation, shows all that needs to be seen about the state of affairs in Malaysia. Dr Nambiar’s comment that PM Najib has set forth a brave agenda is as absurd and bogus, as is the false demonstration of fealty in the accompanying photo. There is nothing brave about PM Najib, and even less so with his timid and disingenuous leadership of Malaysia. The commentary is as obsequious as those that beseech BN constantly for personal favours. Malaysia is in trouble, and the rhetoric of rising racist and ethnocentric fanatical Muslims, is not the indicator of a nation on the path to either social or economic advancement, but rather signs of a very troubled nation.
Timor’s silence
Over the past 12 years, Timor-Leste is an independent country with loads of indonesian influences. This new generation is highly influenced by an indonesian culture, which makes them timorese with no identity. Are they proud of their nationality? Are they proud of their own official languages? Undoubtedly, the spirit of this young timorese is adrift, there┬┤s a clamant lack of main references and the heritage left by the indonesians explains this silence about this Indonesian presidential candidate Prabowo Subianto issue. Timor-Leste is a province of Indonesia, everybody speaks Bahasa Indonesia and the Indonesians feel like being at home.
Wither Human Rights?
This comment is a bit out of topic (above article)… but for those of U who still buy Najib’s moderate Muslim craptrap, he recently said ” Human Rights” is anti Islam in a speech with a predominantly Muslim audience.
A coup by any other name…
Why would anyone want to talk with Suthep. Talking with him gives him legitimacy. That is a big NO NO in my books.
Timor’s silence
[…] Timor’s silence […]
Myanmar’s ASEAN challenges
The European Union can surely be quite a good source of inspiration for an ASEAN-based “community” of Nations, but only if it is regarded as a theoretical model. Although they need to be broadly improved, the two EU Treaties really deserve to be studied and partly copied by other regional communities of States, but their current ideological and disastrous implementation (in both internal and foreign affairs) shall be rejected as a serious diversion from the balanced legal, economic, democratic and moral system they establish.