” … The worst aspect of Thaksin is that he has his own crowd of abject crawlers, and in that respect he is a rival feudal leader to the King …” R.N. England
Must you R.N. England? Must you crawl to Thaksin too?
Thaksin used Thailand’s corrupt justice system to serve his own interest, just as the Royalists do now. Unlike the statues outside many European courts, Thai “justice” has no blindfold. Every judge keeps a keen eye out for his patron’s nod. The whole Government bureaucracy in Thailand is corrupted by Royal patronage. The bureaucracy sees the elected Government as the enemy of their patron, the King, making democracy unworkable. They, like Vichai N, hold ordinary Thais, especially those from the north and north-east, in contempt. They therefore reject the principles of democracy, and see everybody as servants of some patron or other. They see themselves as superior because their patron is the King. Any patron they see as a rival to the King, they see as an enemy of the State. Their values are, of course, the values of absolutism and Feudalism. They will always be the enemies of any elected government that they cannot rule. The worst aspect of Thaksin is that he has his own crowd of abject crawlers, and in that respect he is a rival feudal leader to the King. But feudalism/absolutism always has contending leaders, and they solve their rivalries by civil war (which is exactly what the King’s party is attempting to foment). In a democracy, the electoral losers (in Thailand’s case, the King’s party) allow their elected rivals to govern. It is the Thai King’s party that are the enemies of democracy, and of the majority of the Thai people. Thaksin is not an enemy of democracy. He uses it to secure power. That is what all leaders in democracies do. Vichai N may say, “Ah! Thaksin will hang onto power, even after he becomes electorally unpopular”. That is saying only that Thaksin’s party may end up being as bad as the King’s party is now.
Anybody who comes up with that “The King is above politics” nonsense should read some history of other countries. Two or three hundred years ago, when Britain was at a similar stage of political evolution to Thailand now, the party of the king and of those who depended mostly on his patronage was the Tories. The Whigs were the party of business, and of those nobles who depended more on their business interests than on the King’s patronage. Quite similar to Thailand now.
“And how bizarre that Jew American Ambassador giving a sermon to the obediently congregated monks after kalar killings gone overboard in a hastily called unconventional “Monks’ Congress”!”
Ohn, beyond being ridiculous, you are a bigot, anti-Semite and need therapy badly, What ‘Jew American’ Ambassador are you referring to ? Your comments are meaningless, as they are revolting.
The classic confusion is actually yours, Aung Moe, between the faux socialists of Burma and the genuine albeit failed socialist experiment of the Eastern Bloc in history.
You reckon the current lot are real democrats too? Sadly some people in this world grow old without ever trying more than scratch the surface.
A reminder to all what Myanmar would have been, instead mired in present multitude of quagmires still evaluated by the usual west useless careless standard.
Rohingya people on the ground and the voices coming out as Rohingya are two different things. There is no way Tun Khin or Saddiqui or indeed every single ones writing here or making presentations in New York, Geneva, Paris and Bangkok would have to put faith their life in rickety boats or human traffickers. Yet it does appear people now in concentration camps are saying the very same things they feel they have to say. Ie.they are being sacrificed for the piece of land their handlers felt they can get by way of global outrage when enough ugliness is done visibly and audibly. Some thing that is not going to happen when their arch enemy the most racist military is being unseemly sucked up by their handlers of global affairs- business communities. And business (read money) is totally agnostic! More agnostic than all the hedonists past and present put together.
This Wirathu doing Aung Thaung’s dirty work happily and enthusiastically is just a small fry. He can be easily switched on and off like a tap. See those people in monk’s robe with walkie talkies during the “Meiktila massacre” in broad daylight? Carrying a walkie talkie in even today’s highly celebrated “Free” Burma carries pains of death. Yet people killing the kalars and people herding them in concentration camps in the name of “protection” have plenty of them.
And how bizarre that Jew American Ambassador giving a sermon to the obediently congregated monks after kalar killings gone overboard in a hastily called unconventional “Monks’ Congress”!
Incidentally this oft repeated thing called “democracy” seems to be the most cruel joke word ever invented. Untold millions killed, tortured and enslaved for that particular Shangri -La.
Well well … That “never attended any Rice Policy Committee meeting” by Yingluck, when she is the Chairman is now appearing indeed to be a CRIMINAL offense.
” …. The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) will check to see if she was negligent in her duties as chair of the National Rice Policy Committee ….”
Never attended a Rice Policy Committee meeting while Chairman is indeed CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE that led to the rampant leakages, corruption and rotting mountains of rice stock, while farmers languish and get unpaid.
If only the middle class would follow Chulalonkorn, they would understand what he meant by “monarchy” and the role of the king and not run after the funny piper with the glasses.
RN England – Maybe Thaksin could three-peat his million-baht lunch sandwiches gifts to sitting judges trying his cases? Aren’t corruptible and subornable judges just what Thaksin/Yingluck need at these tense and volatile times?
Naaaaah. R.N. England merely serves his usual b/s to defend his fallen idol: Thaksin.
“Despite calling themselves the “great mass” of the people, their focus is on the morality and scrupulousness rather than on the equality of the Thai citizens.”
The above statement would have carried some credibility if the people running the protest are not “totally corrupt” in the first place. It is a power grab, pure and simple – nothing moral about it.
This group ran the Govt after each and every coup and all they did was to stuff up the judiciary with their cronies and ran kangaroo courts to purge their opponents! Very Moral indeed!
If they had any morals they would have used their time to reform the system! Sad to say their idea of a reformed system is ” for them to appoint the Govt” not going towards a better democracy or better election process.
For not calling a spade a spade, I would not agree to the quality(?) of your paper.
Dear, can any body help me to trace my roots. My father is late Murugan s/o mungilan. He came from Nagapathanam South India at the age of 14. He was 74 years when he passed away of old age. I would like to trace my roots and visit them in Naggapathanam. Please help me and communicate with me. Tq kamal
Hahha blame it all to the King ? Try to link him with all the coups in Thailand? I reckon it is another bed time story that someone was trying so hard to convince the world and discredit the Monarchy.
I know that it said on the wikis about the king and try to link him with all the coups in Thailand. Don’t be lured by the online information.
All the coups in Thailand is the power struggling and fighting between politicians, army and political mafia.
Wow… you might be confusing me with Moe Aung as I hardly commented here. I am one of those New Mandalar’s devotees lurking in the shadow.
Anyway, for your information, I’m a 65 yer old true blue Bamar and I do not believe WASP (White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant) is an offensive term as Nigger or Kalar. Where I live I am the only so-called coloured in the whole WASP neighbourhood. Even my wife is a WASP.
I just hate all Socialists and Commies as any Bamar who had to live through that bastard Ne Win’s and crazy zealot U Nu’s Socialist reigns.
Just as I suspect you would not want to be called “Coloured” or “Kala” or “Black,” as often happened during colonial times in Burma, your gauche use of the word “Wasp,” is equally offensive. Do not make reference to others in a manner you yourself would not want to be referred to as, got it ?
And your glee at the ‘decline’ of Caucasian political influence also helps to explain your barely-disguised prejudice against ethnic Bamar people, which comes out quite clearly in your commentaries. As your name does not definitively prove you of ethnic Bamar origin, I can only suspect, that if you are, you seem to have a perverse self-dislike of your ancestry, reminiscent of a well-known former dictator of Burma, namely one known as Ne Win, who suffered the same perverse pathology of ‘self-deadulation,’ except in his instance, it was Chinese and not Bamar ancestry.
Yes, my Granddad was Sarit’s fan too. He got money, a mere scrap, to built several schools for the people in the NE. That amount of money was liked a “fruit fly” when one compared to the amount found in Sarit’s private bank account. Most of the labor came from the villagers. And I am sure Granddad did the unthinkable thing: misappropriated some of the money for his own gain. This is just my opinion,given the nature of the Thai culture, the patronage system; my deductive reasoning could possible be that far off.
Thirayuth’s call for a “peaceful revolution” in the Bangkok Post is quite interesting. He “predicts that the PDRC’s efforts to reform the country mark the start of a fresh beginning for Thai politics” with the urban middle classes as revolutionary subject. “The urban middle classes are blowing whistles because of the economic problems they are facing and concerns about uncontrollable widespread corruption, not because they stand against the rural people”. (http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/389702/thirayuth-calls-for-peaceful-revolution-against-thaksin-regime).
He should have (re-?) read Marx 18th Brumaire, where Marx commented on the coup of Louis Napoleon. Marx wrote that the coup “demonstrate how the class struggle in France created circumstances and relationships that made it possible for a grotesque mediocrity to play a hero’s part”. (http://www.marx2mao.com/M&E/EBLB52.html)
Kamnan Suthep’s battle cry “To Uproot the Thaksin Regime” is metamorphosing into a grassroots revolution. Massive in force, very peaceful by their conduct, and righteous in their determination/focus to vanquish The Poison. Their revolution is spreading like wild fire, provoking the Thais to critically rethink and critically question their assumptions of how elected leaders should behave, and more importantly, whether rampancy of unbridled and brazen corruptive regime by the Thaksins should even have a place in a modern Thailand. The Thaksins exploit and corrupt and spite Thailand’s d-e-m-o-c-r-a-c-y.
Now is the time to stop The Rot. Thailand’s tomorrow depends on this ongoing very peaceful Uproot Revolution succeeding to stop The Rot. It may take weeks. It may take months or longer. But the Uproot Revolution will vanquish The Poison. Time and righteousness are on their side.
——–
Prominent academic Thirayuth Boonmee called for a peaceful mass revolution to rid the country of the “Thaksin regime”.
Excerpts:
“ … Mr Thirayuth describes former premier Thaksin Shinawatra as an anarchist exploiting state power as a tool for corruption, who he says divided Thai people and took total control of state personnel, causing widespread graft. He accused the former premier of changing laws to benefit his businesses, running the questionable rice-pledging scheme with little transparency and interfering in government offices and state enterprise appointments to put “his men” in important positions. The article argues that widespread corruption has caused Thai society to become anarchistic, while Thai people no longer trust one another and fight for their self-interest. Mr Thirayuth predicts that the PDRC’s (Suthep protesters) efforts to reform the country mark the start of a fresh beginning for Thai politics …”
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” … The worst aspect of Thaksin is that he has his own crowd of abject crawlers, and in that respect he is a rival feudal leader to the King …” R.N. England
Must you R.N. England? Must you crawl to Thaksin too?
2 Yeses 2 Nos
Thaksin used Thailand’s corrupt justice system to serve his own interest, just as the Royalists do now. Unlike the statues outside many European courts, Thai “justice” has no blindfold. Every judge keeps a keen eye out for his patron’s nod. The whole Government bureaucracy in Thailand is corrupted by Royal patronage. The bureaucracy sees the elected Government as the enemy of their patron, the King, making democracy unworkable. They, like Vichai N, hold ordinary Thais, especially those from the north and north-east, in contempt. They therefore reject the principles of democracy, and see everybody as servants of some patron or other. They see themselves as superior because their patron is the King. Any patron they see as a rival to the King, they see as an enemy of the State. Their values are, of course, the values of absolutism and Feudalism. They will always be the enemies of any elected government that they cannot rule. The worst aspect of Thaksin is that he has his own crowd of abject crawlers, and in that respect he is a rival feudal leader to the King. But feudalism/absolutism always has contending leaders, and they solve their rivalries by civil war (which is exactly what the King’s party is attempting to foment). In a democracy, the electoral losers (in Thailand’s case, the King’s party) allow their elected rivals to govern. It is the Thai King’s party that are the enemies of democracy, and of the majority of the Thai people. Thaksin is not an enemy of democracy. He uses it to secure power. That is what all leaders in democracies do. Vichai N may say, “Ah! Thaksin will hang onto power, even after he becomes electorally unpopular”. That is saying only that Thaksin’s party may end up being as bad as the King’s party is now.
Anybody who comes up with that “The King is above politics” nonsense should read some history of other countries. Two or three hundred years ago, when Britain was at a similar stage of political evolution to Thailand now, the party of the king and of those who depended mostly on his patronage was the Tories. The Whigs were the party of business, and of those nobles who depended more on their business interests than on the King’s patronage. Quite similar to Thailand now.
Beyond bigotry: Unravelling ethnic violence in Rakhine
“And how bizarre that Jew American Ambassador giving a sermon to the obediently congregated monks after kalar killings gone overboard in a hastily called unconventional “Monks’ Congress”!”
Ohn, beyond being ridiculous, you are a bigot, anti-Semite and need therapy badly, What ‘Jew American’ Ambassador are you referring to ? Your comments are meaningless, as they are revolting.
Beyond bigotry: Unravelling ethnic violence in Rakhine
The classic confusion is actually yours, Aung Moe, between the faux socialists of Burma and the genuine albeit failed socialist experiment of the Eastern Bloc in history.
You reckon the current lot are real democrats too? Sadly some people in this world grow old without ever trying more than scratch the surface.
Review of Worshipping the Great Moderniser
A reminder to all what Myanmar would have been, instead mired in present multitude of quagmires still evaluated by the usual west useless careless standard.
Beyond bigotry: Unravelling ethnic violence in Rakhine
Rohingya people on the ground and the voices coming out as Rohingya are two different things. There is no way Tun Khin or Saddiqui or indeed every single ones writing here or making presentations in New York, Geneva, Paris and Bangkok would have to put faith their life in rickety boats or human traffickers. Yet it does appear people now in concentration camps are saying the very same things they feel they have to say. Ie.they are being sacrificed for the piece of land their handlers felt they can get by way of global outrage when enough ugliness is done visibly and audibly. Some thing that is not going to happen when their arch enemy the most racist military is being unseemly sucked up by their handlers of global affairs- business communities. And business (read money) is totally agnostic! More agnostic than all the hedonists past and present put together.
This Wirathu doing Aung Thaung’s dirty work happily and enthusiastically is just a small fry. He can be easily switched on and off like a tap. See those people in monk’s robe with walkie talkies during the “Meiktila massacre” in broad daylight? Carrying a walkie talkie in even today’s highly celebrated “Free” Burma carries pains of death. Yet people killing the kalars and people herding them in concentration camps in the name of “protection” have plenty of them.
And how bizarre that Jew American Ambassador giving a sermon to the obediently congregated monks after kalar killings gone overboard in a hastily called unconventional “Monks’ Congress”!
Incidentally this oft repeated thing called “democracy” seems to be the most cruel joke word ever invented. Untold millions killed, tortured and enslaved for that particular Shangri -La.
Uprooting the Thaksin regime
Well well … That “never attended any Rice Policy Committee meeting” by Yingluck, when she is the Chairman is now appearing indeed to be a CRIMINAL offense.
” …. The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) will check to see if she was negligent in her duties as chair of the National Rice Policy Committee ….”
http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/news/389909/yingluck-to-be-probed-ex-ministers-charged-on-rice-scheme.
Never attended a Rice Policy Committee meeting while Chairman is indeed CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE that led to the rampant leakages, corruption and rotting mountains of rice stock, while farmers languish and get unpaid.
Review of Worshipping the Great Moderniser
If only the middle class would follow Chulalonkorn, they would understand what he meant by “monarchy” and the role of the king and not run after the funny piper with the glasses.
2 Yeses 2 Nos
RN England – Maybe Thaksin could three-peat his million-baht lunch sandwiches gifts to sitting judges trying his cases? Aren’t corruptible and subornable judges just what Thaksin/Yingluck need at these tense and volatile times?
Naaaaah. R.N. England merely serves his usual b/s to defend his fallen idol: Thaksin.
2 Yeses 2 Nos
What justice in Thailand, Cliff? The courts are corrupt, and they also happen to be stacked with his enemies.
2 Yeses 2 Nos
How do you solve the problem of 29% want to rule over 71% regardless of democracy of any form.
This is our struggle, no doubt
“Despite calling themselves the “great mass” of the people, their focus is on the morality and scrupulousness rather than on the equality of the Thai citizens.”
The above statement would have carried some credibility if the people running the protest are not “totally corrupt” in the first place. It is a power grab, pure and simple – nothing moral about it.
This group ran the Govt after each and every coup and all they did was to stuff up the judiciary with their cronies and ran kangaroo courts to purge their opponents! Very Moral indeed!
If they had any morals they would have used their time to reform the system! Sad to say their idea of a reformed system is ” for them to appoint the Govt” not going towards a better democracy or better election process.
For not calling a spade a spade, I would not agree to the quality(?) of your paper.
Indian migrant workers in Malaysia – part 1
Dear, can any body help me to trace my roots. My father is late Murugan s/o mungilan. He came from Nagapathanam South India at the age of 14. He was 74 years when he passed away of old age. I would like to trace my roots and visit them in Naggapathanam. Please help me and communicate with me. Tq kamal
Princess Chulabhorn’s politics
Hahha blame it all to the King ? Try to link him with all the coups in Thailand? I reckon it is another bed time story that someone was trying so hard to convince the world and discredit the Monarchy.
I know that it said on the wikis about the king and try to link him with all the coups in Thailand. Don’t be lured by the online information.
All the coups in Thailand is the power struggling and fighting between politicians, army and political mafia.
Beyond bigotry: Unravelling ethnic violence in Rakhine
Wow… you might be confusing me with Moe Aung as I hardly commented here. I am one of those New Mandalar’s devotees lurking in the shadow.
Anyway, for your information, I’m a 65 yer old true blue Bamar and I do not believe WASP (White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant) is an offensive term as Nigger or Kalar. Where I live I am the only so-called coloured in the whole WASP neighbourhood. Even my wife is a WASP.
I just hate all Socialists and Commies as any Bamar who had to live through that bastard Ne Win’s and crazy zealot U Nu’s Socialist reigns.
Beyond bigotry: Unravelling ethnic violence in Rakhine
Aung Moe,
Just as I suspect you would not want to be called “Coloured” or “Kala” or “Black,” as often happened during colonial times in Burma, your gauche use of the word “Wasp,” is equally offensive. Do not make reference to others in a manner you yourself would not want to be referred to as, got it ?
And your glee at the ‘decline’ of Caucasian political influence also helps to explain your barely-disguised prejudice against ethnic Bamar people, which comes out quite clearly in your commentaries. As your name does not definitively prove you of ethnic Bamar origin, I can only suspect, that if you are, you seem to have a perverse self-dislike of your ancestry, reminiscent of a well-known former dictator of Burma, namely one known as Ne Win, who suffered the same perverse pathology of ‘self-deadulation,’ except in his instance, it was Chinese and not Bamar ancestry.
Princess Chulabhorn’s politics
Yes, my Granddad was Sarit’s fan too. He got money, a mere scrap, to built several schools for the people in the NE. That amount of money was liked a “fruit fly” when one compared to the amount found in Sarit’s private bank account. Most of the labor came from the villagers. And I am sure Granddad did the unthinkable thing: misappropriated some of the money for his own gain. This is just my opinion,given the nature of the Thai culture, the patronage system; my deductive reasoning could possible be that far off.
Uprooting the Thaksin regime
Thirayuth’s call for a “peaceful revolution” in the Bangkok Post is quite interesting. He “predicts that the PDRC’s efforts to reform the country mark the start of a fresh beginning for Thai politics” with the urban middle classes as revolutionary subject. “The urban middle classes are blowing whistles because of the economic problems they are facing and concerns about uncontrollable widespread corruption, not because they stand against the rural people”. (http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/389702/thirayuth-calls-for-peaceful-revolution-against-thaksin-regime).
He should have (re-?) read Marx 18th Brumaire, where Marx commented on the coup of Louis Napoleon. Marx wrote that the coup “demonstrate how the class struggle in France created circumstances and relationships that made it possible for a grotesque mediocrity to play a hero’s part”. (http://www.marx2mao.com/M&E/EBLB52.html)
Princess Chulabhorn’s politics
How can anyone fail to find in the utter silliness of this sad and deeply dysfunctional woman an irrefutable case for a Thai republic?
Uprooting the Thaksin regime
Kamnan Suthep’s battle cry “To Uproot the Thaksin Regime” is metamorphosing into a grassroots revolution. Massive in force, very peaceful by their conduct, and righteous in their determination/focus to vanquish The Poison. Their revolution is spreading like wild fire, provoking the Thais to critically rethink and critically question their assumptions of how elected leaders should behave, and more importantly, whether rampancy of unbridled and brazen corruptive regime by the Thaksins should even have a place in a modern Thailand. The Thaksins exploit and corrupt and spite Thailand’s d-e-m-o-c-r-a-c-y.
Now is the time to stop The Rot. Thailand’s tomorrow depends on this ongoing very peaceful Uproot Revolution succeeding to stop The Rot. It may take weeks. It may take months or longer. But the Uproot Revolution will vanquish The Poison. Time and righteousness are on their side.
——–
Prominent academic Thirayuth Boonmee called for a peaceful mass revolution to rid the country of the “Thaksin regime”.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/389702/thirayuth-calls-for-peaceful-revolution-against-thaksin-regime
Excerpts:
“ … Mr Thirayuth describes former premier Thaksin Shinawatra as an anarchist exploiting state power as a tool for corruption, who he says divided Thai people and took total control of state personnel, causing widespread graft. He accused the former premier of changing laws to benefit his businesses, running the questionable rice-pledging scheme with little transparency and interfering in government offices and state enterprise appointments to put “his men” in important positions. The article argues that widespread corruption has caused Thai society to become anarchistic, while Thai people no longer trust one another and fight for their self-interest. Mr Thirayuth predicts that the PDRC’s (Suthep protesters) efforts to reform the country mark the start of a fresh beginning for Thai politics …”