Tom Hoy if you don’t know it yet, then you must be as clueless as a buffalo in a ricefield. Evidence or no evidence, it is the prevailing impression that Red leaders are under the pocket of the Shinawatra. Even the Red followers acknowledge the Thaksin ‘maintenance fees’ as a given.
An interesting article over at East Asia Forum discusses the recent UMNO party election results.
If any zest exists among the UMNO rank and file for reform, it is not because they want to democratise out of a burning desire to do so, but rather, they have to, if only to ensure their political masters’ and their own survival in the rough-and-tumble world of UMNO realpolitik.
sir, i swear this is the truth
Jatuporn was from my province
my mom told me that when Jatuporn was
a student
he won debating in country level
the whole province love him
he was a really clever student
he finished the most famous school of our province
about 2 years ago
the teacher that taught him at the school met him
and ask him why he chose to stay with Thaksin
Jatuporn said ‘have u ever hold B10million in ur hand?’
so not long after that the school put a big sign in fron of the school
saying ‘WE DON’T SUPPRT WHOEVER SELL THEIR LIFE FOR CRIMINAL’
and now his parents can’t even walk in the province with pride
seriously
only people that loves Thaksin money stay with him
the other kind of people that like Thaksin
are those who think ‘Thailand is not practicing the right democracy’
They don’t like they way people protest
they said ‘the gov is from majority
give the gov more chance
the gov has 2 more years to rule
don’t be uncivilized’
but seriously
if Shinawatara family is still here
they still buy votes
and get the majority
people who are poor are still gonna vote for them
those who already hate the mob
and hate people who go protest
will also vote for thaksin
they just believe that Thaksin is the new way
cause Thaksin is rich and
goo at business
To this day Bangkok cringes every time ‘peaceful Reds’ mass to protest in Bangkok. Bangkok had never forgotten nor forgiven the Red Shirts for their violence, their rah-rahs for the grenade-launching assault rifle shooting Black Shirts comrades, and, for their arson rampage that gutted 38 or so city buildings.
OG must think arson of a few buildings is acceptable. He forgets that those are huge buildings, and the Red arsonists burned with the intention of torching any person still inside, but that’s ok with OG.
How can “a new, truly proletarian political force” be cultivated in a country where all the seats in parliament are restricted to holders of university degrees? And how many Thai MPs and senators would push for an amendment to this requirement in the constitution in order that they could share their precious chamber with rice farmers from Isan?
Well, Vichai,how much do you think is the amount 100 baht, I billion baht, 1 billion billion baht? And whatever figure you come up with, what evidence do you have to justify what you think.
Thailand is very racist, Malaysians never stop complaining about the other ethnic groups that make up the country, and I wish I had a dollar for every Malaysian that complained what a hard time they got in Australia – in contrast to the rest of Asia who seem to quite like the place.
Just how much do you think is the amount of ‘maintenance fees’ Thaksin pays all those grinning UDD leaders (Jatuporn, Thida, Nattawut, et al) and ‘special crisis bonuses’ during Red rallies?
Thaksin had betrayed the Red victims demand for justice, yet these Red leaders continue to raise the Thaksin photos nevertheless.
If AllaH = Yawei = Jehovah then the author MUST explain “Why Islam is against —– all?
Showing how ‘using social ills’ to ‘legitimize religious (Islamic Laws/Sharia here) laws in toto’ conveniently allow separation of Church and state, an archaic dangerous assertion.
With promise of Justice and Nirvana like ‘heaven on earth’ condition/existence even the like of HRK/hrk are being seduced to accept.
Forgetting “Islamic believes are the most intolerant of any others”, even the one claimed to be of the same GOD, Judaism and Christianity.
In my opinion, “discrimination” (not just in Australia) is mostly based on four fundamental factors in the following order:
тАи1. Skin Colour (and other physical features)тАи
2. MoneyтАи
3. ReligionтАи
4. Education and CultureтАи
The order is very important!
>>Fred, I do think that its easy for you to take the moral high ground and criticize from afar. As for me, I live here.<>2,500 deaths in the war on drugs; <<
Load of bollocks. A figure that has never been substantiated apart from by those who first plucked the figure from the air.
The actual quoted figure is 72.
Wildly proclaimed by some with vested interests as being a bloody orgy of extra-judicial executions by the Royal Thai Police (RTP) in which 2,575 alleged drug offenders were killed in the first three months – the official figure is 72 killed in 58 incidents involving police and 70,000 people arrested – statistics show that the only time the number of drug offenses decreased in Thailand between 1999 and 2009 was in this period.
Yes, you read that correctly. Police figures never stated that 2,275 were killed directly by the police or as a total figure in the “war on drugs”. It is simply the total number of homicides for the 2 and a half months. So for HRW’s figure of 2,275 to be correct it would mean (a) that there were non-drug related homicides in Thailand in that period, and (b) all drug-related homicides where extra-judicial killings. The odds of that happening would be astronomical. In which parallel universe would the total homicide rate be seen as the drug-related homicide rate. HRW’s figures are inflated and wrong. The police said that themselves as the BBC reported:
>> A vote that reflected the majority of the electorate through their representatives who voted for the Democrats.<>NO one has ever stated or requested that power be returned to the King. That’s all you, That’s your mentality and deep-seated bias. The monkee on your back.<<
One of Thaksin’s main rivals, Sondhi Limthongkul, described the political conflict Monday as a battle of good and evil. In a measure of the frustration with Thailand’s political problems, he repeated a call to return political power to Thailand’s king.
“I think Thailand must suspend the role of politicians for at least two to three years,” he said.
Marteau predicts that the “mainstream red shirt movement” will only serve “as a street mob.”
There is this strange phenomenon found in democracies known as “voting.” The Red Shirts and their supporters form a key voting block, apart from their ‘street mob” activities. They will obviously have influence over pro-rural/urban working class coalition supporters on election days – much to the chagrin of elitist interests who can only gain power via military/judicial coups.
“Begetting justice for the 2010 bloodbath and an amnesty for all prisoners convicted of lese majeste must remain the focus of the Red Shirt camp”.
The former objective is consequential to the original aim to combat the PAD in support of Thaksin and his sponsored political party. The latter objective and the broader push to reform or abolish Section 112 has never existed in the eyes of the the mainstream UDD leaders with direct links to Thaksin and Pheua Thai. So how can it remain the red shirt focus, if it has only ever been an objective of the academic red shirts and the tiny lunatic fringe red shirt groups who are only along for the ride because their support base would be virtually non-existent, if they didn’t ally themselves to the red shirt movement.
Thaksin has shown clearly through his Amnesty Bill fiasco that he doesn’t give two hoots about the red shirt cannon fodder mowed down for his personal greater good and he has always been an enthusiastic supporter and user of Section 112 and the related criminal defamation law.
It is simply a romantic notion to believe that without the funding, organisation and logistics supplied from the top, the mainstream red shirt movement can ever have any purpose other than its original one as a street mob to protect and support Thaksin and his political party. By breaking away from the mainstream the left wing peripheral factions will revert to being irrelevant lunatic fringe groups and isolated academics.
Jim you were wrong or dubious about ‘inferior/superior’ whatever. And maybe you would be wrong too about the Yingluck regime being a ‘pro-working-class’ government. Because I believe the state workers union, thai airways labor union, and nearly all tax-paying workers are still up in arms, scattered all over the city, demanding the Yingluck government resign, including Thaksin’s 310 or so servants-MPs.
As a white male I find all forms of rascism unaccepable. In 1978 at the hight of rascialist attacks the Anti Nazi league was set up. My workplace was in one of the most deprived areas of London with a large black community. I worked on the counter of a social security office. Some members of staff were wearing anti Nazi badges and management instructed us to take them off. A local union meeting was held and after a very heated debate the vote went in favour of continueing to wear the badges. (We actually lost some members over this issue and gained them back after a time).A final compromise was made with management where counter staff took off the badges whilst dealing with the public.
I can understand young students being afraid of people in authority especially during exam time.
My main point in relating the above story is that rascist comments must be stood upto at all times and challenged. By taking such actions we become united and stronger.
In addition to all that is pointed out in this review, it must be noted that A CIVILIZED WOMEN also offers remarkable insight into how the Thailand of a hundred years ago led to the Thailand of “only yesterday”. It is for that reason an invaluable resource for readers interested in deepening their perspective on the country.
Vichai – In truth, definitions I might be able to provide are probably not up to what you wish for. But you can look at Oxford or Webster for definitions. Check out “superior,” “inferior,” and “not.”
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, elitists are plotting the demise of the incumbent pro-working-class government.
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Uprooting the Thaksin regime
Tom Hoy if you don’t know it yet, then you must be as clueless as a buffalo in a ricefield. Evidence or no evidence, it is the prevailing impression that Red leaders are under the pocket of the Shinawatra. Even the Red followers acknowledge the Thaksin ‘maintenance fees’ as a given.
UMNO and Nazi Germany
An interesting article over at East Asia Forum discusses the recent UMNO party election results.
Uprooting the Thaksin regime
sir, i swear this is the truth
Jatuporn was from my province
my mom told me that when Jatuporn was
a student
he won debating in country level
the whole province love him
he was a really clever student
he finished the most famous school of our province
about 2 years ago
the teacher that taught him at the school met him
and ask him why he chose to stay with Thaksin
Jatuporn said ‘have u ever hold B10million in ur hand?’
so not long after that the school put a big sign in fron of the school
saying ‘WE DON’T SUPPRT WHOEVER SELL THEIR LIFE FOR CRIMINAL’
and now his parents can’t even walk in the province with pride
seriously
only people that loves Thaksin money stay with him
the other kind of people that like Thaksin
are those who think ‘Thailand is not practicing the right democracy’
They don’t like they way people protest
they said ‘the gov is from majority
give the gov more chance
the gov has 2 more years to rule
don’t be uncivilized’
but seriously
if Shinawatara family is still here
they still buy votes
and get the majority
people who are poor are still gonna vote for them
those who already hate the mob
and hate people who go protest
will also vote for thaksin
they just believe that Thaksin is the new way
cause Thaksin is rich and
goo at business
RIP
What is to be done in Thailand?
And in case you missed it, Suthep called for it tonight from the Democrat-backed anti-government protest at Democracy Monument.
Here’s the excerpt from BlueSky posted on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152037647571154
Rather fitting as it was some sort of monkeys birthday in Lopburi today and I know I was too busy for one to land on my back…
We’ve seen your theories…
To this day Bangkok cringes every time ‘peaceful Reds’ mass to protest in Bangkok. Bangkok had never forgotten nor forgiven the Red Shirts for their violence, their rah-rahs for the grenade-launching assault rifle shooting Black Shirts comrades, and, for their arson rampage that gutted 38 or so city buildings.
OG must think arson of a few buildings is acceptable. He forgets that those are huge buildings, and the Red arsonists burned with the intention of torching any person still inside, but that’s ok with OG.
Uprooting the Thaksin regime
How can “a new, truly proletarian political force” be cultivated in a country where all the seats in parliament are restricted to holders of university degrees? And how many Thai MPs and senators would push for an amendment to this requirement in the constitution in order that they could share their precious chamber with rice farmers from Isan?
Uprooting the Thaksin regime
Well, Vichai,how much do you think is the amount 100 baht, I billion baht, 1 billion billion baht? And whatever figure you come up with, what evidence do you have to justify what you think.
Just a thought.
Say what, cakap apa?
Thailand is very racist, Malaysians never stop complaining about the other ethnic groups that make up the country, and I wish I had a dollar for every Malaysian that complained what a hard time they got in Australia – in contrast to the rest of Asia who seem to quite like the place.
Uprooting the Thaksin regime
My wife asks me this question:
Just how much do you think is the amount of ‘maintenance fees’ Thaksin pays all those grinning UDD leaders (Jatuporn, Thida, Nattawut, et al) and ‘special crisis bonuses’ during Red rallies?
Thaksin had betrayed the Red victims demand for justice, yet these Red leaders continue to raise the Thaksin photos nevertheless.
Uprooting the Thaksin regime
Just took a look at this very interesting interview with Jakropob Penkair.
Really worth a read.
http://asiaprovocateur.blogspot.com/2013/11/exclusive-interview-with-exiled-thai.html
The professor and the secular
Good review
The author need to explain
If AllaH = Yawei = Jehovah then the author MUST explain “Why Islam is against —– all?
Showing how ‘using social ills’ to ‘legitimize religious (Islamic Laws/Sharia here) laws in toto’ conveniently allow separation of Church and state, an archaic dangerous assertion.
With promise of Justice and Nirvana like ‘heaven on earth’ condition/existence even the like of HRK/hrk are being seduced to accept.
Forgetting “Islamic believes are the most intolerant of any others”, even the one claimed to be of the same GOD, Judaism and Christianity.
Say what, cakap apa?
In my opinion, “discrimination” (not just in Australia) is mostly based on four fundamental factors in the following order:
тАи1. Skin Colour (and other physical features)тАи
2. MoneyтАи
3. ReligionтАи
4. Education and CultureтАи
The order is very important!
What is to be done in Thailand?
>>Fred, I do think that its easy for you to take the moral high ground and criticize from afar. As for me, I live here.<>2,500 deaths in the war on drugs; <<
Load of bollocks. A figure that has never been substantiated apart from by those who first plucked the figure from the air.
The actual quoted figure is 72.
>> A vote that reflected the majority of the electorate through their representatives who voted for the Democrats.<>NO one has ever stated or requested that power be returned to the King. That’s all you, That’s your mentality and deep-seated bias. The monkee on your back.<<
Uprooting the Thaksin regime
Marteau predicts that the “mainstream red shirt movement” will only serve “as a street mob.”
There is this strange phenomenon found in democracies known as “voting.” The Red Shirts and their supporters form a key voting block, apart from their ‘street mob” activities. They will obviously have influence over pro-rural/urban working class coalition supporters on election days – much to the chagrin of elitist interests who can only gain power via military/judicial coups.
Uprooting the Thaksin regime
“Begetting justice for the 2010 bloodbath and an amnesty for all prisoners convicted of lese majeste must remain the focus of the Red Shirt camp”.
The former objective is consequential to the original aim to combat the PAD in support of Thaksin and his sponsored political party. The latter objective and the broader push to reform or abolish Section 112 has never existed in the eyes of the the mainstream UDD leaders with direct links to Thaksin and Pheua Thai. So how can it remain the red shirt focus, if it has only ever been an objective of the academic red shirts and the tiny lunatic fringe red shirt groups who are only along for the ride because their support base would be virtually non-existent, if they didn’t ally themselves to the red shirt movement.
Thaksin has shown clearly through his Amnesty Bill fiasco that he doesn’t give two hoots about the red shirt cannon fodder mowed down for his personal greater good and he has always been an enthusiastic supporter and user of Section 112 and the related criminal defamation law.
It is simply a romantic notion to believe that without the funding, organisation and logistics supplied from the top, the mainstream red shirt movement can ever have any purpose other than its original one as a street mob to protect and support Thaksin and his political party. By breaking away from the mainstream the left wing peripheral factions will revert to being irrelevant lunatic fringe groups and isolated academics.
Uprooting the Thaksin regime
Jim you were wrong or dubious about ‘inferior/superior’ whatever. And maybe you would be wrong too about the Yingluck regime being a ‘pro-working-class’ government. Because I believe the state workers union, thai airways labor union, and nearly all tax-paying workers are still up in arms, scattered all over the city, demanding the Yingluck government resign, including Thaksin’s 310 or so servants-MPs.
Sarawak’s “Independence Day”
I’m proud to be a SARAWAKIAN!!! It is time to be declared ‘KINGDOM OF SARAWAK’, independent country by ifself.God bless SARAWAK!!!!
Say what, cakap apa?
As a white male I find all forms of rascism unaccepable. In 1978 at the hight of rascialist attacks the Anti Nazi league was set up. My workplace was in one of the most deprived areas of London with a large black community. I worked on the counter of a social security office. Some members of staff were wearing anti Nazi badges and management instructed us to take them off. A local union meeting was held and after a very heated debate the vote went in favour of continueing to wear the badges. (We actually lost some members over this issue and gained them back after a time).A final compromise was made with management where counter staff took off the badges whilst dealing with the public.
I can understand young students being afraid of people in authority especially during exam time.
My main point in relating the above story is that rascist comments must be stood upto at all times and challenged. By taking such actions we become united and stronger.
Review of A Civilized Woman
In addition to all that is pointed out in this review, it must be noted that A CIVILIZED WOMEN also offers remarkable insight into how the Thailand of a hundred years ago led to the Thailand of “only yesterday”. It is for that reason an invaluable resource for readers interested in deepening their perspective on the country.
Uprooting the Thaksin regime
Vichai – In truth, definitions I might be able to provide are probably not up to what you wish for. But you can look at Oxford or Webster for definitions. Check out “superior,” “inferior,” and “not.”
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, elitists are plotting the demise of the incumbent pro-working-class government.