It seems to be a 70-year Chakri tradition, that anybody close to the succession who marries, or hopes to marry outside the family (especially to a farang), gets excommunicated or assassinated. Typical of powerful families, the Habsburgs for example: lots of pressure to marry blobber-lipped cousins.
Obama just reminded Egypt’s PM Morsi hat “democracy is not only about elections” .
That point strikes at the heart of Thailand’s divisive politics. The ruling party Peau Thai implements suspicious policies and deliberately evade transparency and accountability. Yingluck’s priority remain getting her brother Thaksin amnestied and all others are secondary or distractions. But half of Thailand believe that Thaksin should face his accusers and be subject to judicial processes on every single criminal case pending against him. Thaksin should emulate Nelson Mandela and make a courageous effort to submit himself to Thai justice to demonstrate that he heeds Thailand’s rule of law
Vichai you seem to have a rather curious idea of what constitutes “democracy.” I am no Thaksin fan, I will admit that right off the bat. But he wins the most votes. Democracy is about electing the person who lead the government through the demonstration of the will of the people through a voting process.
Let the elected government run its course. Force it to compete with the other parties on the strength of its policies. Maybe we will find it to be true, Pheau Thai cannot effectively run a government and the Democrats have a viable policy alternative. Won’t Thailand be better off if each party knows that its hold on power is based on its ability to effectively run the government? If instead extra-electoral means are used to unseat the current elected governement, Thailand’s democracy and national unity will be significantly weakened, as has been demonstrated over and over again in Thailand’s modern history.
[…] politics as anyone could imagine. As New Mandala point out in two recent blog posts (10/06/13 and 24/06/13). The White Mask group are little more than a re-incarnation of the extreme right-wing violent […]
I just wrote a brief comment on the implications this would, if any, have on the issue of succession, with some reference to the ‘letter’ of this post. (Sorry, in Thai only) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=520389464681004
I should also add that “Thai E-News” has lately had ‘exclusive’ stories of royal children (the wedding of Prince Princess Ubolrat’s elder daughter and her sister going out with celebrity designer in Hollywood). And just this morning the story of Crown Prince’s eldest daughter (with first wife) and her possible ‘relationship’. All in Thai.
Whenever the opportunity arises, Thaksin will a grab and a stab at the limelight to highlight what the Thaksin symbolism should be. Like Fall commented ” … he might get a message across, but NOT the respect …” nor credibility he might wish. Because just two days ago Thaksin posted a picture of himself beside the great Nelson Mandela (Invictus!) with his blah and blah and blah …
This is dedicated to Thaksin Shinawatra, (with my apologies to poet William Ernest Henley for taking liberties with his Invictus poem):
—————-
Convictus
Beyond Bangkok wraths and wrecks
Safe at Dubai of opulent shade,
Siam judges or generals won’t touch me
The Siam way there’s always a way
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have winced and I whined (or wined?)
But am I not Thailand Democracy?
Why I could even be the“Thai Superman”
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll
No one will dare touch me!
I am above the law, I am the master
AND I am the captain of the Shirts in Red
Several videos and pictures on the internet shows a car belonging to the city of Bangkok, carrying several key leaders of the Guy Fawks movement, at the head of their protest march on Sunday. The city of Bangkok governor is a Abhisit Democrat Party MP.
After red shirt success in hi-jacking red’s color for democracy and yellow shirt’s anarchy fist on their flag, the issue is no longer the symbol. It is the power of the group to convey their message over the original symbolism.
So can the white mask group convey their pro-monarchy message over their original anti-monarchy symbolism? Or will it continue to be an estrange, copy-cat polar-opposite brother to the Occupy movement?
It’s kinda like preaching about sufficiency economy while using IPhone and IPad. Yes, you might get the message a cross, but not the respect it deserve.
That aggressive combative minister with the pink Bentley – DPM Chalerm Yubamrung, what does he symbolize in Thaksin’s democracy? Should Chalerm somehow manage to be Thailand’s Prime Minister (he gets very high 70% approval rating and is the 4th most admired minister), will that be the ending … or the new rebirth of Thai democracy (after V-masks literally burn Thai parliament, that is ….)
We stop Thaksin Bernd and we succeed to give Thailand’s democracy a very good chance at fully developing towards “government of the people, by the people and for the people”, rather than a government “of Thaksin, by Thaksin and for Thaksin & family”.
History teaches us that monarchies of the world are quite capable of self-destruction. Could Thailand’s monarchy continue to succeed to keep the institution relevant to Thailand’s future and progress?
That question had been asked a hundred times at the New Mandala forums.
(a) Showing off his trigger-quick sharpshooting son Duang, now a promoted Police Lieutenant (thus outranking that police sergeant hero killed in that infamous bar brawl where Duang’s close quarters sharpshooting skills were demonstrated) anywhere he goes as his bodyguard.
(b) Showing off his pink Bentley, or his many Rolls, or other flashy extravagant car exoticas to admirers and sycophants at every opportunity.
What was it again that Ryan Lane was trying to say about ’embracing impure Thai politics’?
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Crown Prince’s family update?
It seems to be a 70-year Chakri tradition, that anybody close to the succession who marries, or hopes to marry outside the family (especially to a farang), gets excommunicated or assassinated. Typical of powerful families, the Habsburgs for example: lots of pressure to marry blobber-lipped cousins.
A sign of progress?
Obama just reminded Egypt’s PM Morsi hat “democracy is not only about elections” .
That point strikes at the heart of Thailand’s divisive politics. The ruling party Peau Thai implements suspicious policies and deliberately evade transparency and accountability. Yingluck’s priority remain getting her brother Thaksin amnestied and all others are secondary or distractions. But half of Thailand believe that Thaksin should face his accusers and be subject to judicial processes on every single criminal case pending against him. Thaksin should emulate Nelson Mandela and make a courageous effort to submit himself to Thai justice to demonstrate that he heeds Thailand’s rule of law
A sign of progress?
Vichai you seem to have a rather curious idea of what constitutes “democracy.” I am no Thaksin fan, I will admit that right off the bat. But he wins the most votes. Democracy is about electing the person who lead the government through the demonstration of the will of the people through a voting process.
Let the elected government run its course. Force it to compete with the other parties on the strength of its policies. Maybe we will find it to be true, Pheau Thai cannot effectively run a government and the Democrats have a viable policy alternative. Won’t Thailand be better off if each party knows that its hold on power is based on its ability to effectively run the government? If instead extra-electoral means are used to unseat the current elected governement, Thailand’s democracy and national unity will be significantly weakened, as has been demonstrated over and over again in Thailand’s modern history.
A sign of progress?
via twitter Saksith Saiyasombut:
Wha whaa! : Anti-govt “White Mask” movement will suspend activity in Bangkok due to insufficient support
https://www.facebook.com/V.For.Thailand?fref=ts
A sign of progress?
[…] politics as anyone could imagine. As New Mandala point out in two recent blog posts (10/06/13 and 24/06/13). The White Mask group are little more than a re-incarnation of the extreme right-wing violent […]
A sign of progress?
One can the word “Thaksin” a devil for everything no longer hear –
– A single name brings so much “evil” about a 65 million nation
but –
– in the past 7 decades, you have not it always successfully managed to avoid the “democracy” in thailand?
Crown Prince’s family update?
For those interested in these matters.
The websites “Thai E-News” has the latest story of upcoming marriage of the eldest son (his wife-to-be is an American).
http://thaienews.blogspot.com/2013/07/19.html
I just wrote a brief comment on the implications this would, if any, have on the issue of succession, with some reference to the ‘letter’ of this post. (Sorry, in Thai only)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=520389464681004
I should also add that “Thai E-News” has lately had ‘exclusive’ stories of royal children (the wedding of Prince Princess Ubolrat’s elder daughter and her sister going out with celebrity designer in Hollywood). And just this morning the story of Crown Prince’s eldest daughter (with first wife) and her possible ‘relationship’. All in Thai.
A sign of progress?
Whenever the opportunity arises, Thaksin will a grab and a stab at the limelight to highlight what the Thaksin symbolism should be. Like Fall commented ” … he might get a message across, but NOT the respect …” nor credibility he might wish. Because just two days ago Thaksin posted a picture of himself beside the great Nelson Mandela (Invictus!) with his blah and blah and blah …
This is dedicated to Thaksin Shinawatra, (with my apologies to poet William Ernest Henley for taking liberties with his Invictus poem):
—————-
Convictus
Beyond Bangkok wraths and wrecks
Safe at Dubai of opulent shade,
Siam judges or generals won’t touch me
The Siam way there’s always a way
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have winced and I whined (or wined?)
But am I not Thailand Democracy?
Why I could even be the“Thai Superman”
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll
No one will dare touch me!
I am above the law, I am the master
AND I am the captain of the Shirts in Red
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well, rightly said in an earlier comment. Kunming venue was cancelled and conference was shifted to Singapore!
A sign of progress?
Oh well … here we go again … Bernd W crying a river for Thaksin.
“I am the symbol of Thai democracy” Thaksin said. And Bernd W. and company agrees.
Hep hep hurray.
A sign of progress?
Several videos and pictures on the internet shows a car belonging to the city of Bangkok, carrying several key leaders of the Guy Fawks movement, at the head of their protest march on Sunday. The city of Bangkok governor is a Abhisit Democrat Party MP.
http://thaishortnews.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/guy-fawkes-mask-off-as-abhisits-bangkok-governor-supply-city-car-to-lead-movement/
A sign of progress?
After red shirt success in hi-jacking red’s color for democracy and yellow shirt’s anarchy fist on their flag, the issue is no longer the symbol. It is the power of the group to convey their message over the original symbolism.
So can the white mask group convey their pro-monarchy message over their original anti-monarchy symbolism? Or will it continue to be an estrange, copy-cat polar-opposite brother to the Occupy movement?
It’s kinda like preaching about sufficiency economy while using IPhone and IPad. Yes, you might get the message a cross, but not the respect it deserve.
A sign of progress?
@ Vichai N
A GOVERNENT OF THE PEOPLE- BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE – BRAVO!!
You have the with a absolute mmajority of the people elected government Thaksin
– removed with a military coup
– against the will of the people
You guys have a military government used
– not elected by the people
You then have the elected by the people government removed by a legal coup
– against the will of the people !
You then ruled without the will of the people
Then you have finally admitted elections and the people have elected a government
– and you also want to overthrow this government again …
G R E A T ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
a great step towards ! !
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Bernd Weber should really read and ponder what Thailand’s rice experts are saying about Yingluck’s Rice Pledge Scheme. And Thailand’s no.l rice expert Vichai (yes Vichai!) says: “Rice Pledge Scheme a disaster, Vichai claims Baht 700 billion loss!”
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/357653/vichai-claims-b700bn-rice-loss
White masks, red masks and royalist communists
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Desiring a pure people’s politics
thai intel news : RICE SUBSIDY? YINGLUCK HIT BY ECONOMIC IMPERIALISM!
http://thaiintelligentnews.wordpress.com/2013/06/29/yingluck-focus-5-rice-subsidy-yingluck-hit-by-economic-imperialism/
A sign of progress?
That aggressive combative minister with the pink Bentley – DPM Chalerm Yubamrung, what does he symbolize in Thaksin’s democracy? Should Chalerm somehow manage to be Thailand’s Prime Minister (he gets very high 70% approval rating and is the 4th most admired minister), will that be the ending … or the new rebirth of Thai democracy (after V-masks literally burn Thai parliament, that is ….)
A sign of progress?
” … and then?”
We stop Thaksin Bernd and we succeed to give Thailand’s democracy a very good chance at fully developing towards “government of the people, by the people and for the people”, rather than a government “of Thaksin, by Thaksin and for Thaksin & family”.
History teaches us that monarchies of the world are quite capable of self-destruction. Could Thailand’s monarchy continue to succeed to keep the institution relevant to Thailand’s future and progress?
That question had been asked a hundred times at the New Mandala forums.
A sign of progress?
@Vichai N
and then? ? ?
Then we perform officially the absolute monarchy again ?
Desiring a pure people’s politics
Let’s pick Thailand’s Deputy PM Chalerm Yubamrung. Chalerm Yubamrung is absolutely disgusting isn’t he?:
(a) Showing off his trigger-quick sharpshooting son Duang, now a promoted Police Lieutenant (thus outranking that police sergeant hero killed in that infamous bar brawl where Duang’s close quarters sharpshooting skills were demonstrated) anywhere he goes as his bodyguard.
(b) Showing off his pink Bentley, or his many Rolls, or other flashy extravagant car exoticas to admirers and sycophants at every opportunity.
What was it again that Ryan Lane was trying to say about ’embracing impure Thai politics’?