I’ve had second thoughts about Cod’s article which now seems more likely satire fashioned under the demands of living in a kingdom where speaking directly on certain topics has become dangerous.
In 2000 in a pilot project 100 countries were ranked in the quality of their democracy. Countries that were not considered democratic were not ranked, North Korea is one that springs to mind for some reason.
So where did Thailand fit in in comparison to other ASEAN countries?
36 Sri Lanka
41 Singapore
43 Thailand
44 Philipines
91 Malaysia
The other ASEAN states were not listed
With respect to freedom rating, civil liberties and political rights.
Thailand came out on top in 1999 amongst all ASEAN nations.
I chose 1999 as its the earliest year available, and before the Thaksin era and its subsequent troubles.
North Korea has a not so honorable mention got the lowest possible score in any year you care to take a gander at.
And this is time at the height of the powers of the dastardly Amart, who knows what glorious to which it could have soared without the Amart.
According to these independent and objective as they get rankings, the evil Amart were far better at suppressing freedom and femocracy outside thailand than within it.
Right?
Can you imagine what would have happened if that beacon of light thaksin did not show up when he did, just how bad things would be now?
Whether you think how much this article is so rationally flawed (and I also think that way, IMHO this is even worse than first year university essay, had I been the lecturer and this is a university essay, it will receive an F from me, as it is poorly researched, one-sided, contains no scholarly analysis, and makes no attempt to convincingly counter the argument from other side), the sad fact is the vast majority of Thai people also think this way. And I don’t see how can this change.
apart from being a royal toadying piece its also interesting that Cod seems to wind down to a really lame ending….
suppose its only those really engaged would get to read all the way through but I did wonder if he had some marvellous argument why Thailand needs the monarchy now…. but he doesnt and neither does Thailand!
Whether it is myth or whatever is not the point. The point is that it is sustained through force. That’s the real lived conditions that can’t be reduced to some pseudo-intellectual whimsy.
Until there is adequate space to argue “why doesn’t Thailand need” then this set up isn’t a proper debate but just insidious link-bait.
That’s my challenge to NM – when we will you give full space to someone opposing this piece? If not then you’ve failed your readership by giving space to this.
In your first sentence you state “It is good that Cod bravely raised the issue”. How brave can one actually be by raising an issue which could lead opponents of your false arguement to a term in prison?
It’s good that Cod has bravely raised the issue about whether Thailand “needs” the monarchy or not.
But the question as to whether Thailand needs or doesn’t need the monarchy is meaningless unless it is possible for Thai people to freely answer: “No”.
If Cod is confident that the people “cherish” and “revere” the monarchy then he should have nothing to fear from abolishing Article 112, since according to this thinking the people would still cherish and revere and “widely support” the monarchy whether the law exists or not.
So why retain Article 112?
As Cod himself states in the first paragraph, some people fear that if the law were abolished then that would be “the natural road to a republic”.
But how could abolishing Article 112 lead to a republic if most people “widely support” the monarchy?
Only if a majority of Thai people did NOT actually support the monarchy and had the freedom to say so and then act on that freedom to reform Thailand’s political system.
Therefore, based on his own apparent support for Article 112 – judging from his argument about the “silent majority” – Cod actually appears to suggest that the majority of the Thai people potentially do NOT support the monarchy at all. That’s why Article 112 needs to be retained – to prevent people from saying so and taking Thailand down the “natural road to a republic”.
Royalists who truly believe that the monarchy is popular should advocate for the abolition of Article 112, because only then can we truly test their claims that the monarchy is widely supported.
Countries like Britain can still have a monarchy which is moderately popular without a law like Article 112. Why can’t Thailand?
Every defense of the Monarchy I have read are not a defense of the Monarchy, they are a defense of the current King. What do you say, defenders of the Monarchy, in defense of the next King? Will your words of praise be identical?
I’m afraid Cod’s weak attempts at what could only ever be considered pseudo-intellectualism don’t forego a piece that is essentially just another royalist hagiography, Karl Marx or not.
I, for one, am tired of reading such stuff as it only inflects the kind intellectual torpidity that seems to be one of the defining tropes of Thai Studies.
Here’s a quote for you from someone else considered one of the giants of modernist thinking…
“Secrets, silent, stony sit in the dark palaces of both our hearts: secrets weary of their tyranny: tyrants willing to be dethroned.”
Does anyone notice the Marx quote he uses? In context Marx was arguing that the end of religion was near and its abolition was desired. Also FWIW, Marx was also a deist if not an atheist altogether.
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Why Thailand needs its king
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Why Thailand needs its king
And before anyone brings it up. I don’t think thaksin is at the root of thailand’s problems, but he is a key player in the current conflict.
Why Thailand needs its king
http://www.democracyranking.org/downloads/folder_letter-e-03.pdf
In 2000 in a pilot project 100 countries were ranked in the quality of their democracy. Countries that were not considered democratic were not ranked, North Korea is one that springs to mind for some reason.
So where did Thailand fit in in comparison to other ASEAN countries?
36 Sri Lanka
41 Singapore
43 Thailand
44 Philipines
91 Malaysia
The other ASEAN states were not listed
With respect to freedom rating, civil liberties and political rights.
Thailand came out on top in 1999 amongst all ASEAN nations.
I chose 1999 as its the earliest year available, and before the Thaksin era and its subsequent troubles.
North Korea has a not so honorable mention got the lowest possible score in any year you care to take a gander at.
http://www.freedomhouse.org/regions/asia-pacific.
Interesting stuff.
And this is time at the height of the powers of the dastardly Amart, who knows what glorious to which it could have soared without the Amart.
According to these independent and objective as they get rankings, the evil Amart were far better at suppressing freedom and femocracy outside thailand than within it.
Right?
Can you imagine what would have happened if that beacon of light thaksin did not show up when he did, just how bad things would be now?
Why Thailand needs its king
Whether you think how much this article is so rationally flawed (and I also think that way, IMHO this is even worse than first year university essay, had I been the lecturer and this is a university essay, it will receive an F from me, as it is poorly researched, one-sided, contains no scholarly analysis, and makes no attempt to convincingly counter the argument from other side), the sad fact is the vast majority of Thai people also think this way. And I don’t see how can this change.
Why Thailand needs its king
apart from being a royal toadying piece its also interesting that Cod seems to wind down to a really lame ending….
suppose its only those really engaged would get to read all the way through but I did wonder if he had some marvellous argument why Thailand needs the monarchy now…. but he doesnt and neither does Thailand!
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Why Thailand needs its king
nganadeelag
Whether it is myth or whatever is not the point. The point is that it is sustained through force. That’s the real lived conditions that can’t be reduced to some pseudo-intellectual whimsy.
Until there is adequate space to argue “why doesn’t Thailand need” then this set up isn’t a proper debate but just insidious link-bait.
That’s my challenge to NM – when we will you give full space to someone opposing this piece? If not then you’ve failed your readership by giving space to this.
Why Thailand needs its king
In your first sentence you state “It is good that Cod bravely raised the issue”. How brave can one actually be by raising an issue which could lead opponents of your false arguement to a term in prison?
Why Thailand needs its king
The way I read it, the fishy man is arguing its not necessarily the monarchy or monarch that’s been needed, its the myth that surrounds him.
Why Thailand needs its king
It’s good that Cod has bravely raised the issue about whether Thailand “needs” the monarchy or not.
But the question as to whether Thailand needs or doesn’t need the monarchy is meaningless unless it is possible for Thai people to freely answer: “No”.
If Cod is confident that the people “cherish” and “revere” the monarchy then he should have nothing to fear from abolishing Article 112, since according to this thinking the people would still cherish and revere and “widely support” the monarchy whether the law exists or not.
So why retain Article 112?
As Cod himself states in the first paragraph, some people fear that if the law were abolished then that would be “the natural road to a republic”.
But how could abolishing Article 112 lead to a republic if most people “widely support” the monarchy?
Only if a majority of Thai people did NOT actually support the monarchy and had the freedom to say so and then act on that freedom to reform Thailand’s political system.
Therefore, based on his own apparent support for Article 112 – judging from his argument about the “silent majority” – Cod actually appears to suggest that the majority of the Thai people potentially do NOT support the monarchy at all. That’s why Article 112 needs to be retained – to prevent people from saying so and taking Thailand down the “natural road to a republic”.
Royalists who truly believe that the monarchy is popular should advocate for the abolition of Article 112, because only then can we truly test their claims that the monarchy is widely supported.
Countries like Britain can still have a monarchy which is moderately popular without a law like Article 112. Why can’t Thailand?
Why Thailand needs its king
I wonder if Jean Claude is Cod in disguise…
Only a fool would first quote the inspiration of the gulags, Pol Pot, Stalin etc and then invoke the charge of anti-Semitism against Joyce.
Why Thailand needs its king
Every defense of the Monarchy I have read are not a defense of the Monarchy, they are a defense of the current King. What do you say, defenders of the Monarchy, in defense of the next King? Will your words of praise be identical?
Why Thailand needs its king
James Joyce? that great anti semite? no Thanks.
Why Thailand needs its king
I’m afraid Cod’s weak attempts at what could only ever be considered pseudo-intellectualism don’t forego a piece that is essentially just another royalist hagiography, Karl Marx or not.
I, for one, am tired of reading such stuff as it only inflects the kind intellectual torpidity that seems to be one of the defining tropes of Thai Studies.
Here’s a quote for you from someone else considered one of the giants of modernist thinking…
“Secrets, silent, stony sit in the dark palaces of both our hearts: secrets weary of their tyranny: tyrants willing to be dethroned.”
Why Thailand needs its king
Does anyone notice the Marx quote he uses? In context Marx was arguing that the end of religion was near and its abolition was desired. Also FWIW, Marx was also a deist if not an atheist altogether.
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