Perhaps it will do you good, since you are so sure that Lynas and its activities will have lesser bearing on our health and environment, that you buy a house at Gebeng, better still build one as close as possible to the plant (and with the right connection and money, you probably can)AND live there. And in ten or fifteen years report your scientific observation.
But for now, we Malaysians have seen to much, experienced too much not to speak up. If Lynas has indeed fulfilled the 11 conditions stipulated by IAEA, that would be another story. As it stands, it has NOT.
Tell us when you are arriving in Gebeng Kuantan, I am sure GREEN T-Shirts Malaysian will show you true Malaysian hospitality – and by that I mean good, cordial hospitality – to make your stay at Gebeng, Kuantan comfortable and enjoyable. You will be a very good experiment to prove your worth in word.
An excellent discussion on the Lynas issue, which has the CEO of Lynas, the leader of the Save Malaysia, Stop Lynas, and Malaysian/Australian journalist Kean Wong flesh out this issue.
When Karma was the currency for ruling, Ashin Arahan was the so called banker/arbiter of such virtue to Anawrettha the first unifier.
That was then, this is now. Karma may be the currency of ruling. Having guns and willing to use them surely help ensure in positive ‘karmic’ balance.
Anawrettha, plunderer Thathon, where ironically Buddhism originally flourish within Myanmar.
Very little remain of this once mighty kingdom except various elegant yet heart breaking reminders of immense sorrows and tragedies among the ‘low karmic’ recipients imprisoned in Pagan and isolated near Maulamyain.
Surely help if you visit the refuge of one of the queen, before the nearby cement factory blasts do away with the last of her karma, so delicately and carefully chiseled on the walls.
Well, even though communism wasn’t that prevalent in CPK/KR after 1979, it has been high-lighted as the most important ingredient when, as it has been noted, it was rather isolationism, nationalism, racism and anti-imperialism that were the major driving forces. The KR could gather the masses from shared experience of the French colonialism, Vietnamese supremacy, American war etc.
The next Chinese passports might show Kachin State and Arunachal Pradesh as Chinese territory, to be called Nan Zhang (Southern Tibet). Thein Sein might need a passport to go to Laiza, so he better hurry up!
Just one small example out of countless cases running into billions of ringgit.
In Malaysia, it is NOT corrupt behaviour for various political parties associated with the incumbent Barisan Nasional to pay RM87,000 for land which is worth RM17.5million.
Not just Thein Sein, Than Shwe himself and the whole lot of them can go on all the significant and non-significant days to Liaza or Putao and sign anything they want with any KIA/ KIO “leaders”, so long as they want to keep battalions for the potentially inflammable and polluting and definitely disruptive Chinese Pipe crossing the heartland of Kachin and the Dam and dams flooding the heartland of Kachin desecrating the sacred rivers, all the signatories will become separated from the Kachin populace. Current history of Burma is written in blood and blood only whether fresh or fried.
It is remarkable about the level of international tacit support for the said Thein Sein of Noble Peace candidature burning the monks alive, even though traditionally people wait until the monks are dead before cremation, and using possibly White Phosphorus which interestingly is a substance, the use of which is War Crime except when used by prolific users, The United States of America and Israel. Having Aung San Suu Kyi at hand to vouch for again of the desirability of burning these troublesome, meddlesome monks alive does draw the battle lines clearer.
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Pete S. Sorry to misrepresent you on Marxism and Cambodia.
Nationalism took over from feudalism as the preferred rhetoric of mass murder in Europe in the 19th century. But nationalism has its roots in (hard-wired?) tribalism, revved up for literate people by romanticism, and spread to the masses by radio, the cinema, etc.. The rhetoric of class struggle is also rooted in tribalism.
We shall have to differ on the importance of individuals. Individuals are prominent in history because they turn up so much in documents. They are important because of what they tell us about the big picture that selected them. If we lose sight of that we allow history to degenerate into village gossip(even if that does help to fill historians’ pockets).
As for free will, personal responsibility and accountability: they seem to me to be symptomatic of a possibly fatal infection of our culture with lawyers. The same can be said for intellectual property.
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Sounds like an interesting book and I’ll certainly try to find a copy. Quite possibly it will be made available in Bangkok and even in Yangon, where Monument Books now have an outlet (or so I believe).
The idea of “karmic legitimacy” is an interesting one. As I understood it from the review, it means that the right to rule rests on virtue and signs of virtue (white elephants aren’t specifically mentioned, but they were one such sign). Natural disasters such as typhoons were presumably signs that virtue was lacking. I’d like to see someone take this theme up and look at current Burmese attitudes to government in the light of traditional beliefs.
>>>>Third, the majority of Singaporeans continue to express their agreement with the system of suppressed rights to mobilize and strike, judging by the snap poll conducted by a government feedback agency, as well as their generally muted response to the incident.
RN England. I was not “laying the blame on Marxism for the mass murder of civilians”. The point I was trying to make was against Thayer’s assertion that the CPK had an “…amalgam of ideology and homegrown political theory uniquely Cambodian”. In fact the ideology and political theory had been learnt(Rather poorly perhaps) in France, Vietnam and China and surely much CPK policy was influenced by Maoism. And when Thayer talks of a “fixation for vengeance of the defeats of ancient history seared into the minds of the popular Cambodian consciousness, harking back 800 years” I find this hard to believe. More likely Pol Pot and the other leaders were motivated by concepts of Cambodian nationalism and history which were all European constructs dating back no further than the 19th century.
I too believe the US bombing in Cambodia must be a major part of the equation that led to the disaster post-1975 which is why I find it surprising that Thayer ignores this.
On a different tack, I disagree with you that we should not look at individuals but must only look at the bigger picture sweeping across the world.
First, is Pol Pot to be exonerated for his actions because he was only some sort of sock puppet in the greater universe? Did he not have free will and make conscious choices as to his actions for which he should be held to account?
And second, where is history left if we do not analyse the actions of the key individual actors? Do we just assume that everything in the past was inevitable and would have turned out exactly the same regardless? That makes no sense at all. History is made by the decisions and actions of individuals and of course they should be judged accordingly.
No rebuttal anyone to Vichai N’s posit that current Khmer PM Hun Sen, himself a former Khmer Rouge leader, must have been complicit (committed to maybe?) to the Khmer people’s mass murder by the Khmer Rouge?
Pete S. One of the problems with laying the blame on Marxism for the mass murder of civilians by the military is that the practice was well established before Karl Marx was born, and continues after his ideas have gone out of fashion. The Royal Thai Army, which Vichai N worships, did it to Thais a couple of years ago and to Cambodian refugees before that. Almost no dynasty in history was able to establish or maintain itself without the judicious use of mass murder.
Large-scale mass murder of civilians is inevitable where a region is flooded with weapons, plunged into anarchy, and subject to mass migration by carpet bombing and poisoning of crops. Marxism is certainly an aggravating factor because it is more suited to militarism than to feeding people. Capitalism too, because it happily makes use of militarism to broaden markets.
This article provides good evidence that such events throw up unsavoury individuals. But it is a mistake to lay the blame on individuals when the real causes are on a much larger scale. Eliminate one nasty individual (there was plenty of that going on) and another steps into the place shaped by large-scale contingencies.
I just wonder if in 1999…..almost 47 years after some of the senior Khmer Rouge began studying marxism….the revolution itself was possibly older than nate Thayer in the 90’s!?….were the senior Khmer rouge in Anlong Veng still ponitifcating Marxist theory forty years after they began studying Marxism and at that point had not other interests overridden the Communist ideal? While I respect Thayer, I think that is where he has gone wrong. To expect the leaders of a revolution to still be spouting Marxist theory some thirty years after they began a revolution gone wrong is foolish. By the time Thayer arrived on the scene it was a different fight.
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Lynas – with love from Perth!
Dear K Howell,
Perhaps it will do you good, since you are so sure that Lynas and its activities will have lesser bearing on our health and environment, that you buy a house at Gebeng, better still build one as close as possible to the plant (and with the right connection and money, you probably can)AND live there. And in ten or fifteen years report your scientific observation.
But for now, we Malaysians have seen to much, experienced too much not to speak up. If Lynas has indeed fulfilled the 11 conditions stipulated by IAEA, that would be another story. As it stands, it has NOT.
Tell us when you are arriving in Gebeng Kuantan, I am sure GREEN T-Shirts Malaysian will show you true Malaysian hospitality – and by that I mean good, cordial hospitality – to make your stay at Gebeng, Kuantan comfortable and enjoyable. You will be a very good experiment to prove your worth in word.
Stop Lynas, Save Malaysia
An excellent discussion on the Lynas issue, which has the CEO of Lynas, the leader of the Save Malaysia, Stop Lynas, and Malaysian/Australian journalist Kean Wong flesh out this issue.
http://youtu.be/5sF7sp4Kxjk
Two kinds of corruption
no such things in private sector?
Review of The King in Exile
When Karma was the currency for ruling, Ashin Arahan was the so called banker/arbiter of such virtue to Anawrettha the first unifier.
That was then, this is now. Karma may be the currency of ruling. Having guns and willing to use them surely help ensure in positive ‘karmic’ balance.
Anawrettha, plunderer Thathon, where ironically Buddhism originally flourish within Myanmar.
Very little remain of this once mighty kingdom except various elegant yet heart breaking reminders of immense sorrows and tragedies among the ‘low karmic’ recipients imprisoned in Pagan and isolated near Maulamyain.
Surely help if you visit the refuge of one of the queen, before the nearby cement factory blasts do away with the last of her karma, so delicately and carefully chiseled on the walls.
Lunching with mass murderers
Well, even though communism wasn’t that prevalent in CPK/KR after 1979, it has been high-lighted as the most important ingredient when, as it has been noted, it was rather isolationism, nationalism, racism and anti-imperialism that were the major driving forces. The KR could gather the masses from shared experience of the French colonialism, Vietnamese supremacy, American war etc.
Next stop? Laiza?
The next Chinese passports might show Kachin State and Arunachal Pradesh as Chinese territory, to be called Nan Zhang (Southern Tibet). Thein Sein might need a passport to go to Laiza, so he better hurry up!
Two kinds of corruption
Just one small example out of countless cases running into billions of ringgit.
In Malaysia, it is NOT corrupt behaviour for various political parties associated with the incumbent Barisan Nasional to pay RM87,000 for land which is worth RM17.5million.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/selangor-bn-accused-of-buying-cheap-public-land-to-build-condo/
Next stop? Laiza?
Not just Thein Sein, Than Shwe himself and the whole lot of them can go on all the significant and non-significant days to Liaza or Putao and sign anything they want with any KIA/ KIO “leaders”, so long as they want to keep battalions for the potentially inflammable and polluting and definitely disruptive Chinese Pipe crossing the heartland of Kachin and the Dam and dams flooding the heartland of Kachin desecrating the sacred rivers, all the signatories will become separated from the Kachin populace. Current history of Burma is written in blood and blood only whether fresh or fried.
It is remarkable about the level of international tacit support for the said Thein Sein of Noble Peace candidature burning the monks alive, even though traditionally people wait until the monks are dead before cremation, and using possibly White Phosphorus which interestingly is a substance, the use of which is War Crime except when used by prolific users, The United States of America and Israel. Having Aung San Suu Kyi at hand to vouch for again of the desirability of burning these troublesome, meddlesome monks alive does draw the battle lines clearer.
Class war in Malaysia – Going the Thai way?
“We could all see the future” . . . and as poet Cohen sagely wrote, “it is going to be murder.”
Foreign workers strike, Singaporeans stare
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Lunching with mass murderers
Pete S. Sorry to misrepresent you on Marxism and Cambodia.
Nationalism took over from feudalism as the preferred rhetoric of mass murder in Europe in the 19th century. But nationalism has its roots in (hard-wired?) tribalism, revved up for literate people by romanticism, and spread to the masses by radio, the cinema, etc.. The rhetoric of class struggle is also rooted in tribalism.
We shall have to differ on the importance of individuals. Individuals are prominent in history because they turn up so much in documents. They are important because of what they tell us about the big picture that selected them. If we lose sight of that we allow history to degenerate into village gossip(even if that does help to fill historians’ pockets).
As for free will, personal responsibility and accountability: they seem to me to be symptomatic of a possibly fatal infection of our culture with lawyers. The same can be said for intellectual property.
Foreign workers strike, Singaporeans stare
The parody (video on youtube) shows that (some) Singaporeans do care.
I’m sure over time, a new C will be included in the 5Cs’ that (many) Singaporean’s aspire to – COMPASSION.
Pitak Siam’s failure
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Review of The King in Exile
Sounds like an interesting book and I’ll certainly try to find a copy. Quite possibly it will be made available in Bangkok and even in Yangon, where Monument Books now have an outlet (or so I believe).
The idea of “karmic legitimacy” is an interesting one. As I understood it from the review, it means that the right to rule rests on virtue and signs of virtue (white elephants aren’t specifically mentioned, but they were one such sign). Natural disasters such as typhoons were presumably signs that virtue was lacking. I’d like to see someone take this theme up and look at current Burmese attitudes to government in the light of traditional beliefs.
Foreign workers strike, Singaporeans stare
>>>>Third, the majority of Singaporeans continue to express their agreement with the system of suppressed rights to mobilize and strike, judging by the snap poll conducted by a government feedback agency, as well as their generally muted response to the incident.
Is a govt poll like this considered credible?
Lunching with mass murderers
RN England. I was not “laying the blame on Marxism for the mass murder of civilians”. The point I was trying to make was against Thayer’s assertion that the CPK had an “…amalgam of ideology and homegrown political theory uniquely Cambodian”. In fact the ideology and political theory had been learnt(Rather poorly perhaps) in France, Vietnam and China and surely much CPK policy was influenced by Maoism. And when Thayer talks of a “fixation for vengeance of the defeats of ancient history seared into the minds of the popular Cambodian consciousness, harking back 800 years” I find this hard to believe. More likely Pol Pot and the other leaders were motivated by concepts of Cambodian nationalism and history which were all European constructs dating back no further than the 19th century.
I too believe the US bombing in Cambodia must be a major part of the equation that led to the disaster post-1975 which is why I find it surprising that Thayer ignores this.
On a different tack, I disagree with you that we should not look at individuals but must only look at the bigger picture sweeping across the world.
First, is Pol Pot to be exonerated for his actions because he was only some sort of sock puppet in the greater universe? Did he not have free will and make conscious choices as to his actions for which he should be held to account?
And second, where is history left if we do not analyse the actions of the key individual actors? Do we just assume that everything in the past was inevitable and would have turned out exactly the same regardless? That makes no sense at all. History is made by the decisions and actions of individuals and of course they should be judged accordingly.
Lunching with mass murderers
No rebuttal anyone to Vichai N’s posit that current Khmer PM Hun Sen, himself a former Khmer Rouge leader, must have been complicit (committed to maybe?) to the Khmer people’s mass murder by the Khmer Rouge?
Review of Vietnam 1946: How the War Began
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Lunching with mass murderers
Pete S. One of the problems with laying the blame on Marxism for the mass murder of civilians by the military is that the practice was well established before Karl Marx was born, and continues after his ideas have gone out of fashion. The Royal Thai Army, which Vichai N worships, did it to Thais a couple of years ago and to Cambodian refugees before that. Almost no dynasty in history was able to establish or maintain itself without the judicious use of mass murder.
Large-scale mass murder of civilians is inevitable where a region is flooded with weapons, plunged into anarchy, and subject to mass migration by carpet bombing and poisoning of crops. Marxism is certainly an aggravating factor because it is more suited to militarism than to feeding people. Capitalism too, because it happily makes use of militarism to broaden markets.
This article provides good evidence that such events throw up unsavoury individuals. But it is a mistake to lay the blame on individuals when the real causes are on a much larger scale. Eliminate one nasty individual (there was plenty of that going on) and another steps into the place shaped by large-scale contingencies.
Lunching with mass murderers
I just wonder if in 1999…..almost 47 years after some of the senior Khmer Rouge began studying marxism….the revolution itself was possibly older than nate Thayer in the 90’s!?….were the senior Khmer rouge in Anlong Veng still ponitifcating Marxist theory forty years after they began studying Marxism and at that point had not other interests overridden the Communist ideal? While I respect Thayer, I think that is where he has gone wrong. To expect the leaders of a revolution to still be spouting Marxist theory some thirty years after they began a revolution gone wrong is foolish. By the time Thayer arrived on the scene it was a different fight.