Link to what appears to be a fairly objective blog/website by a Burmese named Hla Oo in which he provides details and photos (some very graphic, horrendous in fact so be warned) about:
1. the initial alleged rape and murder of the Buddhist girl by 3 Muslim (allegedly Rohingyas),
2. the subsequent arrest and detention of the 3 accused of this brutal crime,
3. and then, despite the arrest of the 3 accused, the subsequent Buddhist mob violence that murdered 10 Burmese Muslims (on a religious journey/bus trip apparently, in any case, nothing to do with the rape and murder of the Buddhist girl)
Hla Oo seems to be geographically located near the actual situation and quite informed and knowledgable and also provides copies of local newspapers, photos, texts, etc. He does not seem to be encouraging more violence, in fact, he seems to be horrified by what’s going on, and appears to merely want people to be better informed as to the actual facts.
Every good mother knows that a child’s tantrum is always made worse by glorying it with fuss rather than to ignore it as the child always realizes the futility of the obnoxious act at or near exhaustion.
As someone pointed out in a comment this is a distressing and uncertain times for the people of all persuasion in Burma with easy and anonymous outlet so that whatever is written cannot possibly be used to make it as representative of the majority concept or even the writer’s belief at the time of reflection and calm disposition.
The unrealistic “Muslim beheading gang” would simply be a horrid, distasteful bad joke until repatedly quoted by the mainstream journalists and “experts” glorying it with distinct call for retort or worse reaction by the aggrieved party.
Your own description of Burmese not having respect for the Muslim like the Christian is wrong as was stated earlier and your accusation of the Buddhist hard liners trying to “purge” the Rohingya is not only unhelpful, it is not possibly substantiable and dangerously inciting.
So is Jan Jalewski’s remark of anti- Rohingya being blurred into anti- Muslim. It is untrue! Purely conjectural but dangerous and inciteful.
Yes. Anyone can see that inappropriate and dangerous remarks are written in free, easy and anonymous media. But their capacity to destroy would be realized only when the indignant mainstream media glorifies it with apparent relish and self- righteousness.
Please stick to facts rather than assumptions and refrain from interpretation in the worst possible light as it is likely to be self- fulfilling.
And if possible at all, do the tantrum analysis either privately or at a later date rather than at the heat of the moment.
Well put Violet! Given the shared socio-economic concerns of the poorer strata of Buddhist and Muslim communities, I wonder if efforts will be made to expand labour unions and farmer associations to incorporate these diverse groups and build class-based solidarity across ethnic and religious lines.
For an historical precedent: In 1938, at a time of devastating Indian-Burman riots in Yangon, Indian and Burman oil field workers fought together with solidarity in the most important strikes of the colonial period. (See Thein Pe Myint’s The Indo-Burman Riots.)
I agree that expecting or looking for balance or political commentary in this work is a mistake. Coles clearly states that as opposed to an academic he employs the “imagination, intuition and instinct” of an artist to provide “illumination”. I fully support this endeavour, and believe that a good artist must be subjective (though thorough in research).
But this work is so pedestrian it illuminates nothing. The photography to my eye is very poor and I agree with John Wright (2) as to the text. The photos don’t capture anything, neither the visual poetry of suffering and filth, nor the character and personality of Phnom Penh by night. They lack the details that would provide illumination, they could have been taken in any number of cities, and as such are reduced to a limited, blurry, one-dimensional and simplistic narrative of the developing third-world city through the dichotomy of politician and prostitute. (or Lexus and bargirl)
It seems very lazy to me, and as I said in my last comment in this thread, typical in every respect of the work of technically unskilled, expat dilettantes. Whether Coles belongs to the former category or not, I’m surprised to see work of this calibre on NM.
Transportation infrastructure connecting Arakan with the rest of Burma would seem to be a priority.
Arakan is not well-connected with central Burma by transportation links. Traditionally, one traveled to Arakan along the coast or over the Rakhine mountain range (Yoma) from Prome located up the Irrawaddy (this is the pattern found in the Burmese chronicle).
In comparison, Thailand’s well-developed highway system expands the possibilities of commerce and trade throughout the country. For example, durian from orchards to the Southeast of Bangkok readily find their way to the streets of Maesai, the northernmost point in Thailand. Ease of transport is reflected in cheaper prices compared with Burma which opens up new markets. Comparing the domestic market for fruit in Burma vs. Thailand, you see radical differences though both countries probably have equal potential for fruit cultivation (my observation from living there for two years, but beyond anecdote it could probably be proved statistically too).
“Western Burma is one of the poorest regions of the country. The significant investment that exists is primarily in resources, which hardly benefits local people. ”
At the risk of sounding like an “economic determinist”, development of key infrastructure may be the most important factor in regional development within Burma. 🙂
In regard to what leverage Supachi may hold. I think it’s more likely a manifestation of the Thai national condition; it’s always somebody else’ fault and if we pretend it didn’t happen, it’ll just go away. I see it every day.
This thread just goes to show that Burmese politics — for so long captured in the foreign public’s imagination by the stalemate between Aung San Suu Kyi and the generals — is moving in new and potentially unpredictable directions. I don’t think most outsiders, at least, have ever been in a position to consistently assess broader political currents. Aung San Suu Kyi = good; Generals = bad. Of course there was always far more to the story than that. But with relative “liberalisation” of Burma’s Internet, media and social debate there are so many opportunities to come to grips with important political sentiments. It appears likely that this episode of political conflict will have all sorts of implications — both practical and rhetorical, but also for analysts and academics.
With that in mind this AFP report is likely to prove relevant. It provides some sense of how outside observers conceive of the online rhetoric associated with western Burma’s political conflict.
But there is another issue that has me thinking…
In the absence of opinion polling we only have an accumulation of anecdotal perspectives to rely on. So I would be interested to hear New Mandala readers views. What percentage of Burmese Buddhists share hardline anti-Rohingya sentiments? 10 per cent? 50? 80?! How would we know?
I have worked or studied at two unis in Thailand. No doubt that I have a defiant personality and sometimes get my self into trouble with authority, but I have seen things simply unacceptable by standards from previous unis I had been in Europe and the US, and, indeed, by commonsense professional ethics. When I was partly responsible I felt terrible and even apologized.
One day I could not hold my tongue and said a couple of things. I was a bit aggressive in my tone, but, certainly, this class could have been reduced by 50% in time. Basically, a disregard for my time. When I made a comment related to the class teaching method, Prof. said something he probably regretted right away; however, when Prof. noticed [his own words], that meant bad news for me.
Dignity for this Prof. means making my life difficult by lobbying those who fear losing “potential” support from him/her. There is no space for other options because I am nobody. In other country or university, it might see as objectionable that one prof goes around talking about one student. In my present institution, I have the feeling that most prof(s) do not actually see any ethical issue with this. In the above-mentioned case where I apologized, that meant little because I was nobody and nobody apologized to me, except one student actually. Basically, I had no support network. Moreover, there was no intent to address the real problem.
It is my opinion that in the plagiarism issue the real problem will not be addressed and nothing serious is going to happen because the majority of prof(s) value their support networks over any ethical issue. Even if they remove the title, that would mean little because there would be no actual consequences.
Only those who instigated the issue will suffer the consequences. Even if they did nothing wrong.
Ne Myo Win #86 has made some interesting claims.
Seriouly, I wish he would put more evidences that supporting his claims.
I believe this could clear many pointless arguments made by blind patriots of Burmese and Rakhine everywhere.
What wicked, disingenuous drivel! The “Rohingya” are aliens in every sense of the term: they are present in Myanmar only because of Anglo imperialism; the British let them slip in. The Rakhine did not ask to be overwhelmed by Muslim miscreants. These so-called “Rohingya” are no less Bengali than the “Chicanos” of the US are “Mexican.” Your screed gives little mention to their origins; it is too well-written and researched to be anything more than a calculated propaganda piece intended to advance your open borders agenda at the expense of the culture and territory of the Rakhine.
Keep up the fight, Rakhine! We could all learn a thing or two from you.
There are over 100 races living in Myanmar. But Rohingya is not one of them. Besides, there has never been such word as Rohingya in Myanmar history. So, who are Rohingyas? They are simply Bengalis. They are from Bangladesh. If someone doubts it, I would like to welcome him for a DNA test.
The history of Rohingyas is worse than the Palestinians because they were abandoned by their own mother land, Bangladesh. No other race in the world will be as pitiful as Rohingyas, the abandoned Begalis. They have been living around the border area between Bangladesh and Rakhine, a western state of Myanmar. Moving from places to places where more favorable working conditions were present, they have been sitting on the fence between Bangladesh and Myanmar. Thanks to loose immigration control at the border area for several decades, they managed to acquire both citizenships for Bangladesh and Myanmar. When Bangladesh became more and more crowded due to population explosion, and less and less fortunate enough to find a suitable living, Rohingyas came to choose the Rakhine State as their permanent dwelling place. Add to this, their ambition did not stop there. The homeless people is now finding a new step-mother, Myanmar.
Rohingyas are shouting at the top of their voice, ” We are Myanmars.” ” We are Myanmars.” I would like to reply to their shouts in the same degree of noise. “NO WAY, ROHINGYAS!” You are not Myanmars. We will never accept that you are Myanmars. Blood is blood. Race is race. You can never change it. Rohingya issue was caused by the presence of a bad neighbor which is Bangladesh. It has been a burden for Myanmar as she herself has to deal with her own internal problems. Rohingyas are homeless; and they are orphans. Myanmar is like an orphanage house to those Rohingyas. I would like to repeat the main reason for their misfortune is that their mother country has abandoned them. So, why do the international community want to point their fingers at Myanmar? It is very very ridiculous. They should even thank Myanmar for allowing Rohingyas to stay inside Myanmar although they are not Myanmar citizens. We are nothing to do with Rohingyas.
Myanmar is just a scapegoat to be blamed upon. From humanity point of view, we absolutely feel sympathized with Rohingyas because they are Bengalis and human-beings. But from national point of view, we cannot bear the presence of Rohingyas and various troubles made by them in the Rakhine state. Racial issue is one example. The natives of Rakhine State, Rakhines, are leaving for inner Myanmar and abroad for more prospects of living conditions. At the same time, eac Rohingya is taking a maximum of 4 wives and having a dozen of children without any control. While native Rakhine population growth is stable, Rohingya population is growing very, very fast at an unacceptable rate.
Now, Rohingyas are swallowing the Rakhine State! Maybe someday they might even swallow the whole Myanmar, too. We understand that this issue cannot be solved very easily. All willing international organizations should consider how to help the situations; for example, is it possible to migrate Rohingyas to other places in the world? Is it possible to persuade Bangladesh to accept her own citizens? But there may not be a reasonable and realistic solution to it, I think. Amidst those critical situations, Rohingyas are now showing themselves to the world as they are terrorists by destroying the villages and killing native Rakhine people. Under such circumstances, what can you expect Myanmar Government to do? Rohingyas’ plan is like a time-bomb which is aimed to explode at the targeted time. This is a transition period for Myanmar from long military rule to democratic government.
The Government may not wish to respond very aggressively. Similarly, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, the nobel laureate, is planning to visit Europe and receive the award. She may not wish a bloody conflict inside Myanmar at this auspicious time, too. Rohingyas are now pushing Myanmar Government and Daw Aung San Suu Kyi into very very tight situation at the stake of their lives. The mouth of International media is eagerly watering to exploit this resulting incident.
We have millions of Myanmar Muslims living together peacefully with the rest of nation. However, we cannot treat Rohingyas equally as our brothers, Myanmar Muslims. Simply because Myannmar Muslims are Myanmars while Rohingyas are just foreigners. Now we can say, Rohingyas are invaders: they are terrorists who are attacking our own people. In short, I’d like to say “We don’t want Rohingyas.” But, how to solve this problem is beyond my knowledge, I confess. Anyway, one thing is for sure. We, the people of Myanmar despite their difference in various faiths namely, Buddhism, Christianity or Islam, will firmly stand together with unity behind the actions to be taken by Myanmar Government. Sorry, Rohingyas. (And sorry, International Media, too) If you want to blame, JUST blame your mother country. Sometimes, bloody ending may be an option which we cannot exclude entirely.
Of course Burmese Immigrants now living in the western societies know very well racism and hate crimes.
Once I read a result of survey done among foreign Asian Students studying in Sydney and they found more than 50% of them are the victims of what the scholars would call the racial incidents. A couple of respondents were even later found killed.
In any US or Australian or European big cities if a brown or yellow man walked on a wrong street at wrong time he could lose his existence just because he has a wrong skin.
Only then one realizes the importance of living among his own people. And the importance of the continued existence of his people. That is the reason oversea Burmese are the loudest defending his people on forum like this in a time like now.
Just ask the Jewish people of New York if you don’t believe me!
Yabz#9 I don’t think only contrarian fund managers would advise getting into food production for the “big bucks” but as Andrew Walker has oft explained, efficiency is the key. There is no doubt that food supply will be a major issue this century. And surely many big players must be looking at Thailand’s fertile rice production capability but are locked out by Thai laws. As is so often the case with protectionism, Thai agriculture wallows in gross inefficiency. But of course to open agriculture up to “global competition” would create huge problems in Thai society and will not be done any time soon (And neither is it done in the West where after 200+ years of industrialization we still romanticize and protect agriculture). But at some point Thai agriculture has to undergo a transformation in efficiency and this will push out the small land-holders and goes to the core of all that is currently considered “Thai-ness”. Nevertheless it will come and vastly improved education is the anti-dote.
btw much as I appreciate your desire to be self-sufficent and by so doing eat better quality food, there is a good reason the world hasn’t run agriculture this way for the last 5,000 years, its hopelessly inefficient for each of us to grow our own food.
There have so many fake accounts in Facebook created by so-called Rohingya & government men too. They added me every days & I checked their profile, it is newly opened recently & all are fake including profile photo. We need our guys to analyze like this & report in famous world media. You will see some Myanmar point out how they made fakes photo of dead guys. Those Muslim Rohingya have planned all of this for long time ago. They have in touch each others by private links. So others don’t know their dirty plan. They also put their people in media agencies, UN, NGO & organization and also they can buy VIP in many countries. For local connection, they have advantage is that they can meet each others in Mosque on every Friday & policy makers can direct what they wanted details to their people. We don’t have, so we are weak. Now UN officer came to Myanmar yesterday & we saw the news today but Muslim leaders had already prepared their plan to travel with officer in advance. They will guide UN officer what they wanted to be. Don’t you think anything wrong in this case. Finally we will lost our country because we are not united.
Give us substance, do not use same old Rohingya’s template, Burmese diaspora are everywhere and living and working here and there blah blah blah.
No Burmese are claiming that we are natives and therefore indigenous rights:
1) No Burmese in America demands we build mounds in Iowa and we were earlier than American Indians
2) No Burmese in Europe claims that we were Attila the Huns, or we were the guys who kicked the asses of Turks in Vienna on hundreds of years ago
3) No Burmese in Canada claim that we Burmese taught Eskimos how to build Igloos
4) No Burmese in Japan claimed that we taught Samurais how to use swords
Everywhere we go, we live and mix with locals, we are not problem makers.
But you ask yourself. I suspect you are more likely to be an appeaser who loves to have a sore bottom and reamed orifices as it is easier in the morning to go toilet; ain’t you, don’t feel shy, we know who you are! We see you on FB
with your comments sucking foreign invaders even in this times of Myanmar being raped, arsoned and robbed by terrorist jihadists.
Please stop insulting our intelligence as you have been insulting our kind generosity, tolerance and it is time for you to chance and not us who has to change for you. But I am not surprised as Indias are shooting your guys too.
Check the borders and shoot to kill policy of West Bengal government. I repeat West Bengal government. West Bengal share Bangladeshis to whom Chittagongians belong to share same ethnic roots, and they demanded to shoot you if you stray across the border. So your Tibeto-Burman Arakanese and Burmese are not as mean as your co-ethnicists and you are still complaining.
Shame on you.
At least if you cannot show your gratitude, show us your sincerity. We can understand you need a land to live as your region is sinking and you have nothing to offer to us apart from your virility – not sure you or your neighbours’s virility though – and appetite for breeding. While we can understand your activists’ zeal and commitments but some of those Miss Pollyana’s, our charlatons, or maggots’ (A-thar-hte-ka-lout) love for thick bodily fluid is what made us think. Sometimes we suspect your mothers are taught you to love those thick and dripping oozing liquids.
Last not least, we should thank our Ko Sai or Sai Babu for his blog, this is not a peer-review paper nor edited article but a blog, as it gives us a platform for sharing our opinions. Some of us may have academic credentials and some of us may hold public offices but since it is easier to act Miss Pollyanam with Zalote Kyee (Adam’s Apple), we always welcome this opportunities to share our thoughts to chime in. Comments are gold and articles are just attractors for commentors as we understand it. Finally, thanks to New Mandala for its efforts to understand more about SEA issues. Good job indeed although it might be better to post a more balanced, throughly researched article. Why dont you ask Dr. Aye Chan. He may have a different opinion too.
P.S. All those Miss Pollyanas with Zalotekyees we are observing you too and making fun of you, how you are competing one another to suck your PaHtwes.
Rohingya are NOT Myanmar people.
Rohingya are illegal immigrants from Bangladesh.
Rohingya are terrorists getting support from Al-Quida & Taliban.
Rohingya burnt many villages & killed many local rakhine people.
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Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Link to what appears to be a fairly objective blog/website by a Burmese named Hla Oo in which he provides details and photos (some very graphic, horrendous in fact so be warned) about:
1. the initial alleged rape and murder of the Buddhist girl by 3 Muslim (allegedly Rohingyas),
2. the subsequent arrest and detention of the 3 accused of this brutal crime,
3. and then, despite the arrest of the 3 accused, the subsequent Buddhist mob violence that murdered 10 Burmese Muslims (on a religious journey/bus trip apparently, in any case, nothing to do with the rape and murder of the Buddhist girl)
http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.com/2012/06/arrakan-boiling-with-anti-islamic-fever.html
Hla Oo seems to be geographically located near the actual situation and quite informed and knowledgable and also provides copies of local newspapers, photos, texts, etc. He does not seem to be encouraging more violence, in fact, he seems to be horrified by what’s going on, and appears to merely want people to be better informed as to the actual facts.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
This is a direct message to Nich.
Every good mother knows that a child’s tantrum is always made worse by glorying it with fuss rather than to ignore it as the child always realizes the futility of the obnoxious act at or near exhaustion.
As someone pointed out in a comment this is a distressing and uncertain times for the people of all persuasion in Burma with easy and anonymous outlet so that whatever is written cannot possibly be used to make it as representative of the majority concept or even the writer’s belief at the time of reflection and calm disposition.
The unrealistic “Muslim beheading gang” would simply be a horrid, distasteful bad joke until repatedly quoted by the mainstream journalists and “experts” glorying it with distinct call for retort or worse reaction by the aggrieved party.
Your own description of Burmese not having respect for the Muslim like the Christian is wrong as was stated earlier and your accusation of the Buddhist hard liners trying to “purge” the Rohingya is not only unhelpful, it is not possibly substantiable and dangerously inciting.
So is Jan Jalewski’s remark of anti- Rohingya being blurred into anti- Muslim. It is untrue! Purely conjectural but dangerous and inciteful.
Yes. Anyone can see that inappropriate and dangerous remarks are written in free, easy and anonymous media. But their capacity to destroy would be realized only when the indignant mainstream media glorifies it with apparent relish and self- righteousness.
Please stick to facts rather than assumptions and refrain from interpretation in the worst possible light as it is likely to be self- fulfilling.
And if possible at all, do the tantrum analysis either privately or at a later date rather than at the heat of the moment.
Racing for answers in divided Myanmar
Well put Violet! Given the shared socio-economic concerns of the poorer strata of Buddhist and Muslim communities, I wonder if efforts will be made to expand labour unions and farmer associations to incorporate these diverse groups and build class-based solidarity across ethnic and religious lines.
For an historical precedent: In 1938, at a time of devastating Indian-Burman riots in Yangon, Indian and Burman oil field workers fought together with solidarity in the most important strikes of the colonial period. (See Thein Pe Myint’s The Indo-Burman Riots.)
Noir nights in Phnom Penh
Guy Vandelay:
I agree that expecting or looking for balance or political commentary in this work is a mistake. Coles clearly states that as opposed to an academic he employs the “imagination, intuition and instinct” of an artist to provide “illumination”. I fully support this endeavour, and believe that a good artist must be subjective (though thorough in research).
But this work is so pedestrian it illuminates nothing. The photography to my eye is very poor and I agree with John Wright (2) as to the text. The photos don’t capture anything, neither the visual poetry of suffering and filth, nor the character and personality of Phnom Penh by night. They lack the details that would provide illumination, they could have been taken in any number of cities, and as such are reduced to a limited, blurry, one-dimensional and simplistic narrative of the developing third-world city through the dichotomy of politician and prostitute. (or Lexus and bargirl)
It seems very lazy to me, and as I said in my last comment in this thread, typical in every respect of the work of technically unskilled, expat dilettantes. Whether Coles belongs to the former category or not, I’m surprised to see work of this calibre on NM.
Racing for answers in divided Myanmar
Transportation infrastructure connecting Arakan with the rest of Burma would seem to be a priority.
Arakan is not well-connected with central Burma by transportation links. Traditionally, one traveled to Arakan along the coast or over the Rakhine mountain range (Yoma) from Prome located up the Irrawaddy (this is the pattern found in the Burmese chronicle).
In comparison, Thailand’s well-developed highway system expands the possibilities of commerce and trade throughout the country. For example, durian from orchards to the Southeast of Bangkok readily find their way to the streets of Maesai, the northernmost point in Thailand. Ease of transport is reflected in cheaper prices compared with Burma which opens up new markets. Comparing the domestic market for fruit in Burma vs. Thailand, you see radical differences though both countries probably have equal potential for fruit cultivation (my observation from living there for two years, but beyond anecdote it could probably be proved statistically too).
“Western Burma is one of the poorest regions of the country. The significant investment that exists is primarily in resources, which hardly benefits local people. ”
At the risk of sounding like an “economic determinist”, development of key infrastructure may be the most important factor in regional development within Burma. 🙂
University rankings from Chula’s perspective
In regard to what leverage Supachi may hold. I think it’s more likely a manifestation of the Thai national condition; it’s always somebody else’ fault and if we pretend it didn’t happen, it’ll just go away. I see it every day.
Coup talk in Thailand 2012
The more coups the Royal Thai Army engage in the better.
Then the world can see them for what they are.
Oppressors of Thais democracy.
Power elites.
Status quo lovers.
Embracers of violence.
Bullet dialectic.
Tick tock tick tock……
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Thanks for all of these comments:
This thread just goes to show that Burmese politics — for so long captured in the foreign public’s imagination by the stalemate between Aung San Suu Kyi and the generals — is moving in new and potentially unpredictable directions. I don’t think most outsiders, at least, have ever been in a position to consistently assess broader political currents. Aung San Suu Kyi = good; Generals = bad. Of course there was always far more to the story than that. But with relative “liberalisation” of Burma’s Internet, media and social debate there are so many opportunities to come to grips with important political sentiments. It appears likely that this episode of political conflict will have all sorts of implications — both practical and rhetorical, but also for analysts and academics.
With that in mind this AFP report is likely to prove relevant. It provides some sense of how outside observers conceive of the online rhetoric associated with western Burma’s political conflict.
But there is another issue that has me thinking…
In the absence of opinion polling we only have an accumulation of anecdotal perspectives to rely on. So I would be interested to hear New Mandala readers views. What percentage of Burmese Buddhists share hardline anti-Rohingya sentiments? 10 per cent? 50? 80?! How would we know?
Best wishes to all,
Nich
University rankings from Chula’s perspective
I have worked or studied at two unis in Thailand. No doubt that I have a defiant personality and sometimes get my self into trouble with authority, but I have seen things simply unacceptable by standards from previous unis I had been in Europe and the US, and, indeed, by commonsense professional ethics. When I was partly responsible I felt terrible and even apologized.
One day I could not hold my tongue and said a couple of things. I was a bit aggressive in my tone, but, certainly, this class could have been reduced by 50% in time. Basically, a disregard for my time. When I made a comment related to the class teaching method, Prof. said something he probably regretted right away; however, when Prof. noticed [his own words], that meant bad news for me.
Dignity for this Prof. means making my life difficult by lobbying those who fear losing “potential” support from him/her. There is no space for other options because I am nobody. In other country or university, it might see as objectionable that one prof goes around talking about one student. In my present institution, I have the feeling that most prof(s) do not actually see any ethical issue with this. In the above-mentioned case where I apologized, that meant little because I was nobody and nobody apologized to me, except one student actually. Basically, I had no support network. Moreover, there was no intent to address the real problem.
It is my opinion that in the plagiarism issue the real problem will not be addressed and nothing serious is going to happen because the majority of prof(s) value their support networks over any ethical issue. Even if they remove the title, that would mean little because there would be no actual consequences.
Only those who instigated the issue will suffer the consequences. Even if they did nothing wrong.
Sarawak: 30 reasons why Taib must go!
Taib might be guilty..but we should feel more guilty for not doing anything to stop him from raping us for more than 50 bleeding years.
BBC under fire on Rohingyas
Ne Myo Win #86 has made some interesting claims.
Seriouly, I wish he would put more evidences that supporting his claims.
I believe this could clear many pointless arguments made by blind patriots of Burmese and Rakhine everywhere.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
What wicked, disingenuous drivel! The “Rohingya” are aliens in every sense of the term: they are present in Myanmar only because of Anglo imperialism; the British let them slip in. The Rakhine did not ask to be overwhelmed by Muslim miscreants. These so-called “Rohingya” are no less Bengali than the “Chicanos” of the US are “Mexican.” Your screed gives little mention to their origins; it is too well-written and researched to be anything more than a calculated propaganda piece intended to advance your open borders agenda at the expense of the culture and territory of the Rakhine.
Keep up the fight, Rakhine! We could all learn a thing or two from you.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
@Mrat Htun Thit
So I guess you are saying genocide is the answer. And for a second I thought we are living in a more civilized 2012.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
There are over 100 races living in Myanmar. But Rohingya is not one of them. Besides, there has never been such word as Rohingya in Myanmar history. So, who are Rohingyas? They are simply Bengalis. They are from Bangladesh. If someone doubts it, I would like to welcome him for a DNA test.
The history of Rohingyas is worse than the Palestinians because they were abandoned by their own mother land, Bangladesh. No other race in the world will be as pitiful as Rohingyas, the abandoned Begalis. They have been living around the border area between Bangladesh and Rakhine, a western state of Myanmar. Moving from places to places where more favorable working conditions were present, they have been sitting on the fence between Bangladesh and Myanmar. Thanks to loose immigration control at the border area for several decades, they managed to acquire both citizenships for Bangladesh and Myanmar. When Bangladesh became more and more crowded due to population explosion, and less and less fortunate enough to find a suitable living, Rohingyas came to choose the Rakhine State as their permanent dwelling place. Add to this, their ambition did not stop there. The homeless people is now finding a new step-mother, Myanmar.
Rohingyas are shouting at the top of their voice, ” We are Myanmars.” ” We are Myanmars.” I would like to reply to their shouts in the same degree of noise. “NO WAY, ROHINGYAS!” You are not Myanmars. We will never accept that you are Myanmars. Blood is blood. Race is race. You can never change it. Rohingya issue was caused by the presence of a bad neighbor which is Bangladesh. It has been a burden for Myanmar as she herself has to deal with her own internal problems. Rohingyas are homeless; and they are orphans. Myanmar is like an orphanage house to those Rohingyas. I would like to repeat the main reason for their misfortune is that their mother country has abandoned them. So, why do the international community want to point their fingers at Myanmar? It is very very ridiculous. They should even thank Myanmar for allowing Rohingyas to stay inside Myanmar although they are not Myanmar citizens. We are nothing to do with Rohingyas.
Myanmar is just a scapegoat to be blamed upon. From humanity point of view, we absolutely feel sympathized with Rohingyas because they are Bengalis and human-beings. But from national point of view, we cannot bear the presence of Rohingyas and various troubles made by them in the Rakhine state. Racial issue is one example. The natives of Rakhine State, Rakhines, are leaving for inner Myanmar and abroad for more prospects of living conditions. At the same time, eac Rohingya is taking a maximum of 4 wives and having a dozen of children without any control. While native Rakhine population growth is stable, Rohingya population is growing very, very fast at an unacceptable rate.
Now, Rohingyas are swallowing the Rakhine State! Maybe someday they might even swallow the whole Myanmar, too. We understand that this issue cannot be solved very easily. All willing international organizations should consider how to help the situations; for example, is it possible to migrate Rohingyas to other places in the world? Is it possible to persuade Bangladesh to accept her own citizens? But there may not be a reasonable and realistic solution to it, I think. Amidst those critical situations, Rohingyas are now showing themselves to the world as they are terrorists by destroying the villages and killing native Rakhine people. Under such circumstances, what can you expect Myanmar Government to do? Rohingyas’ plan is like a time-bomb which is aimed to explode at the targeted time. This is a transition period for Myanmar from long military rule to democratic government.
The Government may not wish to respond very aggressively. Similarly, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, the nobel laureate, is planning to visit Europe and receive the award. She may not wish a bloody conflict inside Myanmar at this auspicious time, too. Rohingyas are now pushing Myanmar Government and Daw Aung San Suu Kyi into very very tight situation at the stake of their lives. The mouth of International media is eagerly watering to exploit this resulting incident.
We have millions of Myanmar Muslims living together peacefully with the rest of nation. However, we cannot treat Rohingyas equally as our brothers, Myanmar Muslims. Simply because Myannmar Muslims are Myanmars while Rohingyas are just foreigners. Now we can say, Rohingyas are invaders: they are terrorists who are attacking our own people. In short, I’d like to say “We don’t want Rohingyas.” But, how to solve this problem is beyond my knowledge, I confess. Anyway, one thing is for sure. We, the people of Myanmar despite their difference in various faiths namely, Buddhism, Christianity or Islam, will firmly stand together with unity behind the actions to be taken by Myanmar Government. Sorry, Rohingyas. (And sorry, International Media, too) If you want to blame, JUST blame your mother country. Sometimes, bloody ending may be an option which we cannot exclude entirely.
ICY (MMCP)
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Zaw Htun,
Of course Burmese Immigrants now living in the western societies know very well racism and hate crimes.
Once I read a result of survey done among foreign Asian Students studying in Sydney and they found more than 50% of them are the victims of what the scholars would call the racial incidents. A couple of respondents were even later found killed.
In any US or Australian or European big cities if a brown or yellow man walked on a wrong street at wrong time he could lose his existence just because he has a wrong skin.
Only then one realizes the importance of living among his own people. And the importance of the continued existence of his people. That is the reason oversea Burmese are the loudest defending his people on forum like this in a time like now.
Just ask the Jewish people of New York if you don’t believe me!
Leaving the farm
Yabz#9 I don’t think only contrarian fund managers would advise getting into food production for the “big bucks” but as Andrew Walker has oft explained, efficiency is the key. There is no doubt that food supply will be a major issue this century. And surely many big players must be looking at Thailand’s fertile rice production capability but are locked out by Thai laws. As is so often the case with protectionism, Thai agriculture wallows in gross inefficiency. But of course to open agriculture up to “global competition” would create huge problems in Thai society and will not be done any time soon (And neither is it done in the West where after 200+ years of industrialization we still romanticize and protect agriculture). But at some point Thai agriculture has to undergo a transformation in efficiency and this will push out the small land-holders and goes to the core of all that is currently considered “Thai-ness”. Nevertheless it will come and vastly improved education is the anti-dote.
btw much as I appreciate your desire to be self-sufficent and by so doing eat better quality food, there is a good reason the world hasn’t run agriculture this way for the last 5,000 years, its hopelessly inefficient for each of us to grow our own food.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
There have so many fake accounts in Facebook created by so-called Rohingya & government men too. They added me every days & I checked their profile, it is newly opened recently & all are fake including profile photo. We need our guys to analyze like this & report in famous world media. You will see some Myanmar point out how they made fakes photo of dead guys. Those Muslim Rohingya have planned all of this for long time ago. They have in touch each others by private links. So others don’t know their dirty plan. They also put their people in media agencies, UN, NGO & organization and also they can buy VIP in many countries. For local connection, they have advantage is that they can meet each others in Mosque on every Friday & policy makers can direct what they wanted details to their people. We don’t have, so we are weak. Now UN officer came to Myanmar yesterday & we saw the news today but Muslim leaders had already prepared their plan to travel with officer in advance. They will guide UN officer what they wanted to be. Don’t you think anything wrong in this case. Finally we will lost our country because we are not united.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Zaw Tun
Give us substance, do not use same old Rohingya’s template, Burmese diaspora are everywhere and living and working here and there blah blah blah.
No Burmese are claiming that we are natives and therefore indigenous rights:
1) No Burmese in America demands we build mounds in Iowa and we were earlier than American Indians
2) No Burmese in Europe claims that we were Attila the Huns, or we were the guys who kicked the asses of Turks in Vienna on hundreds of years ago
3) No Burmese in Canada claim that we Burmese taught Eskimos how to build Igloos
4) No Burmese in Japan claimed that we taught Samurais how to use swords
Everywhere we go, we live and mix with locals, we are not problem makers.
But you ask yourself. I suspect you are more likely to be an appeaser who loves to have a sore bottom and reamed orifices as it is easier in the morning to go toilet; ain’t you, don’t feel shy, we know who you are! We see you on FB
with your comments sucking foreign invaders even in this times of Myanmar being raped, arsoned and robbed by terrorist jihadists.
Please stop insulting our intelligence as you have been insulting our kind generosity, tolerance and it is time for you to chance and not us who has to change for you. But I am not surprised as Indias are shooting your guys too.
Check the borders and shoot to kill policy of West Bengal government. I repeat West Bengal government. West Bengal share Bangladeshis to whom Chittagongians belong to share same ethnic roots, and they demanded to shoot you if you stray across the border. So your Tibeto-Burman Arakanese and Burmese are not as mean as your co-ethnicists and you are still complaining.
Shame on you.
At least if you cannot show your gratitude, show us your sincerity. We can understand you need a land to live as your region is sinking and you have nothing to offer to us apart from your virility – not sure you or your neighbours’s virility though – and appetite for breeding. While we can understand your activists’ zeal and commitments but some of those Miss Pollyana’s, our charlatons, or maggots’ (A-thar-hte-ka-lout) love for thick bodily fluid is what made us think. Sometimes we suspect your mothers are taught you to love those thick and dripping oozing liquids.
Last not least, we should thank our Ko Sai or Sai Babu for his blog, this is not a peer-review paper nor edited article but a blog, as it gives us a platform for sharing our opinions. Some of us may have academic credentials and some of us may hold public offices but since it is easier to act Miss Pollyanam with Zalote Kyee (Adam’s Apple), we always welcome this opportunities to share our thoughts to chime in. Comments are gold and articles are just attractors for commentors as we understand it. Finally, thanks to New Mandala for its efforts to understand more about SEA issues. Good job indeed although it might be better to post a more balanced, throughly researched article. Why dont you ask Dr. Aye Chan. He may have a different opinion too.
P.S. All those Miss Pollyanas with Zalotekyees we are observing you too and making fun of you, how you are competing one another to suck your PaHtwes.
BBC under fire on Rohingyas
Rohingya are NOT Myanmar people.
Rohingya are illegal immigrants from Bangladesh.
Rohingya are terrorists getting support from Al-Quida & Taliban.
Rohingya burnt many villages & killed many local rakhine people.
Noir nights in Phnom Penh
Donovan:
Do you need your political views spoon-fed to you?
Look at the photos, and draw your own insights and conclusions.
I interpret the photographer as is simply seeking to be an honest witness to a certain time and place.