Several farmers lament that they can’t get their kids to help out on the farm,………………….
I know one family, where the parents had no sons, only 2 girls, the oldest felt guilty, so stayed on the farm to help her father on the farm, the younger girl wanted to go to college and have a career that was not agriculture. The father b, basically harassed her about not staying on the farm until she ran away to Chiang Mai and is putting herself through college. The older sister who stayed on the farm, who is now 31, has many health problems, including spinal problems from over-stressing her slight frame, and others related to the overuse of agro-chemicals, and will probably die before 40.
The kids that see this stuff happening seriously want to get off of the farm where you can only lose money
This is an important letter to AI, and I hope both the Thailand chapter and the international office respond. I am sharing the posting on my facebook page to spread the message, and suggest that others do the same.
For the record, I, Mandy (a) Nyungt Oo Swe states that I am originally from Burma but not a Rohingya. Mandy is my given name at birth and Nyunt oo Swe was an official name used growing up. I pout the name “Mandy” because the Burmese in USA know me as Mandy and I have no reason to hide when I say what must be said about the victimization of the RohingyaMuslims by the so called Buddhists of Burma, both in Arakan as well as the while nation including those Buddhsits screaming for democracy, begging the world to help them get freedom while they do not think twice about the sufferings of the fellow human beings Rohingyas. Shame on you people, nationalistic and xenophobic as ever and have no clue that patriotism doesn’t mean you can turn a blind eye on having compassion.
Aung said, and I quote “The reason US does not let in those Jihadist Rohingyas is simply because US Department of State has already learned that 50,000 of Rohingyas are trained terrorists. See here for yourself”.
Well I tell you how I know he is lying. I know that two cousins of a Rohingya family, used to be next door neighbor in Burma, recently got Political Asylum in US. One was less than 4 years ago, meaning the link provided gave no reliable information that Rohingyaa are terrorists. If any, they have been victims ever since military government of 1962.
The image used in your article is my photo, and this is a copyright violation by asiancorrspondent.com and you.
It has been my policy all along that i let my photos be used for free in non-profit websites and publications, but expect payment in profit oriented websites and publications. I expect though from both to be asked for permission (which i usually grant, and especially in this case of Thanthawut, a prisoner for whose plight i have particular sympathy). I also demand proper attribution of my images.
You have neither asked for permission, paid me, or credited the image. Sort this out, please.
Anthony, the piece is dross. It goes with the Singlish skits and Pavin’s piece on Karntoop as indicative of the depths of shoddiness that even a respected blog like New Mandala can reach.
He says: “… right to be treated with respect and dignity as prisoners of conscience and political prisoners, which are guaranteed by international laws”
What is he referring to? What does international law say about prisoners of conscience and political prisoners?
Among the 55 prisoners he refers to, are there any that committed or incited acts of violence? He says: “All of them have been prosecuted because they exercised their civil and political rights to demand democracy as citizens of their country“. I don’t like the way he keeps saying ‘reconciliation’ – to me that sounds like giving rioters and thugs (many/most of whom have not been charged) clean slates – he should be focusing on the abominable treatment of LM prisoners.
2) I have so many black-skinned (Buddhist or Muslim) friends and sometime I called them “Hay Kalar”. means “Hi Buddy”. It is just normal for them.
3) And there are many unproven link like “Alternative source:one of rapist is blah blah blah” “There are report: people with device usually use by security officer” . (Reader may think this is Sai’s idea)
4) I am wonder how those people with limited supporter, leaders, parties, media can have own army. 🙂
Finally, Nich, u remarked about personal attacks against Sai but PLEASE take note that there are so many personal attacks to other well-known people like (Ashin Wirathu, Dr. Aye Chan , Dr. Aye Kyaw , Khin Maung Saw) without any evidence.
My conclusion: this paper is only fuel for those hater. Please stop publishing like this article.
I wonder the world knows the link of rohingya with alqaeda and pakistan isi. and you dont know anything about it. if you check the newspapers (english) of bangladesh, you’ll see hundreds of reports regarding the rohingya kala’s connection with terror networks. kaladan press, a media wing of a rohingya kala network, also member of Burma News network, publishes doctored reports of incidences in Burma. recently they published a picture of a bomb incidence in Mae Sot, Thailand, as a campaign for rohingyanism and branded it as an incidence that took place in Maungdaw, Rakhine State of Myanmar. Their reports are also sided with campaign stories rather than news.
The article was reprinted in the Bangkok Post ‘Spectrum’ section, June 10-16, 2012 – interesting that they need to reprint a NYT article to get an angle on their own rural world.
Besides Andrew Walker’s comments on economic transformation in the countryside (or lack of it) what I found most interesting was the sociological transformation. That is, the collapse of parental authority in rural families. Several farmers lament that they can’t get their kids to help out on the farm, that they know little about farm work and are glued to various communication devices. Not so long ago a good clip over the ear would have had them out in the paddy fields working, but clearly parents no longer feel able to do this. In this sense the rural world has already become modern and urban.
What some of you voicing extreme views may not realise is that your comments on a site like New Mandala are read widely and then taken as exemplary of the rhetoric and mindsets in this conflict . For the record, there have been comments in the past few days that we can’t publish — they advocate violence or otherwise fail any standard of common decency and humanity.
Clearly Burma needs leadership to navigate away from the precipice at this tragic time. I think we all hope that those in positions to take charge of this situation resist the temptation to indulge the vitriol of the haters. Burma deserves much better.
I would also suggest that the personal attacks against Sai Latt serve no useful argumentative purpose. Sai Latt has sought to present a reasoned analysis of an emotive and contentious topic. Aggression against him merely reinforces his thesis about intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma today.
You’er out of topic! You better write your comment based on reliable sources, not New Light of Myanmar, not your dreams. You’re like a cave men coming out from the cave with naked and blaming everyone.
Explain the world that your words “Kachin surely getting the even shorter end”. How?
Don’t you know that KIA is a lot more stronger than when it was established in 40 years ago.
@Jessie , @Mandy or whatever you name yourselves – trolls as you are
If you want to troll claiming to be an American, you should learn how to write English first. I suspect you and several others are Rohingyar activists. If you want to claim that you are an American, first learn how to write like a native American. You guys are more likely to be pathetic Rohingyar trolls and their apologists.
This is academic forum, so stop using your templates:
“I am Missy Messy, I am an Rohingcan (sorry Amer-ree-kan) and big bad
Burmese are making me frightened with their big tools”
“Author is right, Rohing liers are not lying, bad bad Burmese are lying, they
are not kind, they dont give up their land, their country easily. So we have to try very very hard, some of us even set fire to their homes, some of our brothers are provoking Burmese so that they can become martyrs for our cause. Please please Burmese are commenting against us because we have killed, raped and attacking them for years silently”
“Sai Babu is doing PhD, you guys are not, so please shut up, without permanent head damage you cannot write a biased essay” [This is not a paper but an opinionated essay for those who do not know, that means nothing!]
“Buddha said that, Buddha said this, Buddha will feel sad for Buddhists protecting their own land and their families” [Who says every commenter who state facts, provide evidence are Buddhists or even Burmese, you might have made a lot of enemies and I do not think you are one of the most loved people]
If you cannot create new templates then stop using them. Bore of seeing them!
“As a result, we should be particularly wary of regimes that employ such remedial, exclusionary rhetoric, because of the inherent dangers its implementation may portend”
Hmm
The West possesses the most extensive holding to mass media.
From TV News channels, BBC, VOA down to mom and pop talk radio that denigrate individuals, groups and countries, who are not inline with ideology of the West, without ever any regards for the humanities.
That is not mentioning coded terms, misinformation and outright lies that are spewed out repeatedly to prepare or encourage others for the dirty deeds.
Khmer Rouges were able to effect the “Killings Fields” 2┬║ to:
1) US failed “Dominoe Policy”
2) Concerted Western media negligence to the aftermath of Khmer Rouge’s carnage.
The only redemption to the above is forum such as New Mandala to counter “Stupid is stupid does”.
Are you familiar with the language used by Malaysia’s Malay ruling elites against their “enemies” (targeting especially the Chinese community).
Granted that Malaysia has not experienced genocide like Khemer Rouge or the Communist purge in Indonesia, but I’m wondering, if from a conceptual perspective, the intent is the same?
Ko Ko Gyi, a prominent pro-democracy activist, said last week that the Rohingya “are not a Myanmar ethnic race… It has become a national concern infringing on our sovereignty”. Does he also think that Thailand, for example, should hold the same attitude towards the hundreds of thousands of refugees from Burma living on its soil?
a) Those Burmese in Thailand do not claim to be indigenous, nay earlier settlers of the land than the native Thai themselves like the Rohingya did in the Arakan.
b) They do not plan and plot to carve out an independent/autonomous state within their host society like the Rohingya did in the Arakan.
c) They happen to be Buddhist and Mongolian just like the native Thai.
tocharian #18
Wonder if it has ever occurred to you that for Asians there is no eye or hair colour to talk about except peroxide bleach, grey or bald. Inevitably all shades of skin colour remains the main topic of conversation, and the lighter the better is the general consensus as you rightly pointed out.
You also know full well that skin colour is only secondary to behaviour on the part of the alien other as far as the Burmese are concerned. Not that they will readily let their daughters marry an Indian or a black man, naturally, even if some of us are as dark as charcoal or the monk’s alms bowl as they would say. Mongolian races see the physical difference in others as much as those others see it in them.
Proselytising religions the Burmese definitely are no fans of, Muslim or Christian. Territorial claims based on a bogus history by the so called Rohingya made the alienation exponentially worse. Interfering outsiders had better beware of that.
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Prisoner writes to Amnesty International
OK, sorted it with out with asiancorrespondent.com – no problems anymore. 🙂
Leaving the farm
Several farmers lament that they can’t get their kids to help out on the farm,………………….
I know one family, where the parents had no sons, only 2 girls, the oldest felt guilty, so stayed on the farm to help her father on the farm, the younger girl wanted to go to college and have a career that was not agriculture. The father b, basically harassed her about not staying on the farm until she ran away to Chiang Mai and is putting herself through college. The older sister who stayed on the farm, who is now 31, has many health problems, including spinal problems from over-stressing her slight frame, and others related to the overuse of agro-chemicals, and will probably die before 40.
The kids that see this stuff happening seriously want to get off of the farm where you can only lose money
Prisoner writes to Amnesty International
This is an important letter to AI, and I hope both the Thailand chapter and the international office respond. I am sharing the posting on my facebook page to spread the message, and suggest that others do the same.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
For the record, I, Mandy (a) Nyungt Oo Swe states that I am originally from Burma but not a Rohingya. Mandy is my given name at birth and Nyunt oo Swe was an official name used growing up. I pout the name “Mandy” because the Burmese in USA know me as Mandy and I have no reason to hide when I say what must be said about the victimization of the RohingyaMuslims by the so called Buddhists of Burma, both in Arakan as well as the while nation including those Buddhsits screaming for democracy, begging the world to help them get freedom while they do not think twice about the sufferings of the fellow human beings Rohingyas. Shame on you people, nationalistic and xenophobic as ever and have no clue that patriotism doesn’t mean you can turn a blind eye on having compassion.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Aung said, and I quote “The reason US does not let in those Jihadist Rohingyas is simply because US Department of State has already learned that 50,000 of Rohingyas are trained terrorists. See here for yourself”.
Well I tell you how I know he is lying. I know that two cousins of a Rohingya family, used to be next door neighbor in Burma, recently got Political Asylum in US. One was less than 4 years ago, meaning the link provided gave no reliable information that Rohingyaa are terrorists. If any, they have been victims ever since military government of 1962.
Prisoner writes to Amnesty International
Andrew,
The image used in your article is my photo, and this is a copyright violation by asiancorrspondent.com and you.
It has been my policy all along that i let my photos be used for free in non-profit websites and publications, but expect payment in profit oriented websites and publications. I expect though from both to be asked for permission (which i usually grant, and especially in this case of Thanthawut, a prisoner for whose plight i have particular sympathy). I also demand proper attribution of my images.
You have neither asked for permission, paid me, or credited the image. Sort this out, please.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
To Jerusalem!!
Prisoner writes to Amnesty International
Fantastic! I hope there’s a response…
Leaving the farm
It’s too low-hanging a fruit to bother with really, but just for the record:
“Iam Thongdee … grew up in a farming family and became a professor of humanities at Mahidol University in Bangkok.”
Noir nights in Phnom Penh
Anthony, the piece is dross. It goes with the Singlish skits and Pavin’s piece on Karntoop as indicative of the depths of shoddiness that even a respected blog like New Mandala can reach.
Prisoner writes to Amnesty International
That first paragraph sounds so sarcastic!
He says: “… right to be treated with respect and dignity as prisoners of conscience and political prisoners, which are guaranteed by international laws”
What is he referring to? What does international law say about prisoners of conscience and political prisoners?
Among the 55 prisoners he refers to, are there any that committed or incited acts of violence? He says: “All of them have been prosecuted because they exercised their civil and political rights to demand democracy as citizens of their country“. I don’t like the way he keeps saying ‘reconciliation’ – to me that sounds like giving rioters and thugs (many/most of whom have not been charged) clean slates – he should be focusing on the abominable treatment of LM prisoners.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Hi Nich,
Thx for ur reminder.
Thesis? Honestly, I dont think so. Because of so many wrong , unfair and inaccurate facts.
First of all, as u all know there r so many fake FB account for some purposes. That’s mean not reliable to get people real expression.
1) While Reuters report that victims number is only 1 digit (9 people)and Sai count 2 digit (11 people). http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/04/us-myanmar-violence-idUSBRE8530CW20120604 If other sources report 11 people, should be refer to that source.
2) I have so many black-skinned (Buddhist or Muslim) friends and sometime I called them “Hay Kalar”. means “Hi Buddy”. It is just normal for them.
3) And there are many unproven link like “Alternative source:one of rapist is blah blah blah” “There are report: people with device usually use by security officer” . (Reader may think this is Sai’s idea)
4) I am wonder how those people with limited supporter, leaders, parties, media can have own army. 🙂
5) Not Fair : only Blame on one side like Narinjara and Eleven and never mention about other’s side (Sorry, I forgot his word ” they have no media”) But please see this http://yspacemedia.blogspot.com/2012/06/facebook-illusions-facebook.html (www.kaladanpress.org also fuel this event)
Finally, Nich, u remarked about personal attacks against Sai but PLEASE take note that there are so many personal attacks to other well-known people like (Ashin Wirathu, Dr. Aye Chan , Dr. Aye Kyaw , Khin Maung Saw) without any evidence.
My conclusion: this paper is only fuel for those hater. Please stop publishing like this article.
Good Job Ko Sai, Finally u got public attention.
BBC under fire on Rohingyas
Mandy
I wonder the world knows the link of rohingya with alqaeda and pakistan isi. and you dont know anything about it. if you check the newspapers (english) of bangladesh, you’ll see hundreds of reports regarding the rohingya kala’s connection with terror networks. kaladan press, a media wing of a rohingya kala network, also member of Burma News network, publishes doctored reports of incidences in Burma. recently they published a picture of a bomb incidence in Mae Sot, Thailand, as a campaign for rohingyanism and branded it as an incidence that took place in Maungdaw, Rakhine State of Myanmar. Their reports are also sided with campaign stories rather than news.
Leaving the farm
The article was reprinted in the Bangkok Post ‘Spectrum’ section, June 10-16, 2012 – interesting that they need to reprint a NYT article to get an angle on their own rural world.
Besides Andrew Walker’s comments on economic transformation in the countryside (or lack of it) what I found most interesting was the sociological transformation. That is, the collapse of parental authority in rural families. Several farmers lament that they can’t get their kids to help out on the farm, that they know little about farm work and are glued to various communication devices. Not so long ago a good clip over the ear would have had them out in the paddy fields working, but clearly parents no longer feel able to do this. In this sense the rural world has already become modern and urban.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Thanks for all of these comments:
What some of you voicing extreme views may not realise is that your comments on a site like New Mandala are read widely and then taken as exemplary of the rhetoric and mindsets in this conflict . For the record, there have been comments in the past few days that we can’t publish — they advocate violence or otherwise fail any standard of common decency and humanity.
Clearly Burma needs leadership to navigate away from the precipice at this tragic time. I think we all hope that those in positions to take charge of this situation resist the temptation to indulge the vitriol of the haters. Burma deserves much better.
I would also suggest that the personal attacks against Sai Latt serve no useful argumentative purpose. Sai Latt has sought to present a reasoned analysis of an emotive and contentious topic. Aggression against him merely reinforces his thesis about intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma today.
Best wishes to all,
Nich
A deadline looms in Kachin war
Hi Plan B,
You’er out of topic! You better write your comment based on reliable sources, not New Light of Myanmar, not your dreams. You’re like a cave men coming out from the cave with naked and blaming everyone.
Explain the world that your words “Kachin surely getting the even shorter end”. How?
Don’t you know that KIA is a lot more stronger than when it was established in 40 years ago.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
@Jessie , @Mandy or whatever you name yourselves – trolls as you are
If you want to troll claiming to be an American, you should learn how to write English first. I suspect you and several others are Rohingyar activists. If you want to claim that you are an American, first learn how to write like a native American. You guys are more likely to be pathetic Rohingyar trolls and their apologists.
This is academic forum, so stop using your templates:
“I am Missy Messy, I am an Rohingcan (sorry Amer-ree-kan) and big bad
Burmese are making me frightened with their big tools”
“Author is right, Rohing liers are not lying, bad bad Burmese are lying, they
are not kind, they dont give up their land, their country easily. So we have to try very very hard, some of us even set fire to their homes, some of our brothers are provoking Burmese so that they can become martyrs for our cause. Please please Burmese are commenting against us because we have killed, raped and attacking them for years silently”
“Sai Babu is doing PhD, you guys are not, so please shut up, without permanent head damage you cannot write a biased essay” [This is not a paper but an opinionated essay for those who do not know, that means nothing!]
“Buddha said that, Buddha said this, Buddha will feel sad for Buddhists protecting their own land and their families” [Who says every commenter who state facts, provide evidence are Buddhists or even Burmese, you might have made a lot of enemies and I do not think you are one of the most loved people]
If you cannot create new templates then stop using them. Bore of seeing them!
How the Khmer Rouge dehumanised their “enemies”
“As a result, we should be particularly wary of regimes that employ such remedial, exclusionary rhetoric, because of the inherent dangers its implementation may portend”
Hmm
The West possesses the most extensive holding to mass media.
From TV News channels, BBC, VOA down to mom and pop talk radio that denigrate individuals, groups and countries, who are not inline with ideology of the West, without ever any regards for the humanities.
That is not mentioning coded terms, misinformation and outright lies that are spewed out repeatedly to prepare or encourage others for the dirty deeds.
Khmer Rouges were able to effect the “Killings Fields” 2┬║ to:
1) US failed “Dominoe Policy”
2) Concerted Western media negligence to the aftermath of Khmer Rouge’s carnage.
The only redemption to the above is forum such as New Mandala to counter “Stupid is stupid does”.
How the Khmer Rouge dehumanised their “enemies”
Very interesting analysis Fionn,
Are you familiar with the language used by Malaysia’s Malay ruling elites against their “enemies” (targeting especially the Chinese community).
Granted that Malaysia has not experienced genocide like Khemer Rouge or the Communist purge in Indonesia, but I’m wondering, if from a conceptual perspective, the intent is the same?
Some examples: PERKASA , Attacks on the leader of Bersih, Church bombings, etc
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Perhaps NM readers should be reminded at this point what Dr Aye Chan the Arakanese Rakhine historian has said in his riposte to history being rewritten.
He also co-authored Influx Virus – The Illegal Muslims in Arakan which led to an online debate with Dr Abid Bahar who appears to be neither Rohingya nor Arakanese Muslim himself.
In an opinion piece by Francis Wade in Aljazeera he asked the rhetorical question when:
a) Those Burmese in Thailand do not claim to be indigenous, nay earlier settlers of the land than the native Thai themselves like the Rohingya did in the Arakan.
b) They do not plan and plot to carve out an independent/autonomous state within their host society like the Rohingya did in the Arakan.
c) They happen to be Buddhist and Mongolian just like the native Thai.
tocharian #18
Wonder if it has ever occurred to you that for Asians there is no eye or hair colour to talk about except peroxide bleach, grey or bald. Inevitably all shades of skin colour remains the main topic of conversation, and the lighter the better is the general consensus as you rightly pointed out.
You also know full well that skin colour is only secondary to behaviour on the part of the alien other as far as the Burmese are concerned. Not that they will readily let their daughters marry an Indian or a black man, naturally, even if some of us are as dark as charcoal or the monk’s alms bowl as they would say. Mongolian races see the physical difference in others as much as those others see it in them.
Proselytising religions the Burmese definitely are no fans of, Muslim or Christian. Territorial claims based on a bogus history by the so called Rohingya made the alienation exponentially worse. Interfering outsiders had better beware of that.