The issue here that differentiates Obama or Sarkozy, is that Najib Razak is privy to corrupt practises that used tax payers money.
If Obama and Sarkozy were involved in corrupt practises that involved a foreign country, they should also be held accountable, and international law provides for it (The article that I linked provides the legal arguments.)
If it actually occurs, is of course, altogether a different matter.
Where is concrete evidence (by reliable sources) that Rohingyas have ties with Al-Queda? Pretty hilarious since reliable News Agency such as reuter and AP would be the first to mention it if it were true.
In comment #17 I refer to a recent Bangkok Pundit post where he points out that in any reconciliation plan Thaksin might be likely to re-face the charges he was originally prosecuted under by the illegal military-constituted court.
What the PADocrat commentators seem to miss is that it isn’t Thaksin that comes off the worst from all these illegal, army-backed actions but Thailand, Thai democracy and the rule of law.
To bring Thaksin and all other parties and actors to account Thailand needs more of the latter two, not an abrogation of them.
Yes, Sai was right in saying that there is no group who represents the Rohingya and he meant who represents the Rohingyas living in villages in Arakan.
That is why US is unable to give the Rohingyas refugee status and these people are stuck in Bangladesh instead of being relocated to a third country. Bangladesh cannot afford to absorb these people.
A little well-to-do Rohingyas made it to the west and are able to apply asylum but those who had to flee from the atrocity of the Burmese government and the Buddhist rakhines just end up in being stuck in Bangladesh withering away.
Regardless of race, ethnicity or religion, we should have compassion toward fellow human beings. No one deserves to live in such condition.
Rohingya is not a fabricated word. The word was coined by a man whose ancestors has settled in Arakan since 10th century. He was merely labelling a particular group of Muslim in some parts of Arkan. That is not to say that there were other Muslims in Arakan. There were many other Muslims whose leaders ended up using this term because they were being marginalized by the Burmese government. Regardless of the name, these people were born in Arakan.
Some of these people have ancestors that came form bengal throughout history but by now means they are recent forigners who enetred burma illegally. Even if some did, they intermarried with pMuslims who have been there for so long just as your ancestors who were once foriengers intermarried with people who were already in the region that is now Burma.
Firstly, it looks fine to read reflecting background information. As for me, I can know some information that I couldn’t before. It is actually chronic issue based on racial and other socioeconomic matters. However, I doubt some points mentioned here because super-highlighting the facebook users’ message. May be they are young activist and mostly might be Buddhist. No ways to deny it. However Sai latt’s writing was also very openly to blame those but with no mention of why he said. He cannot clarify why and how government sponsored campaign against Muslim with reliable figures. And he draws up again absolutely unreliable information that is even very very rarely said by both Rohinja and Rakhine people that one of murderer was a child of Buddhist parents. The most important thing he failed is to say the day riot started is Friday and there were mass praying and feeling anger about 10 Muslim died in Taung Gyout Township. I simply think it is sparked because of passed away people they were killed illegally. I admit I am a Muslim but want to think and judge fairly on ground of realities. If some one says in bias, truth will go away from him/her.
Allah Bless to you all!!!
You have great imagination calling Sai latt as pan-Thay Tayoke. Pan-thay is a Burmese word for Chinese Muslim. Pan-thay are Chinese and they do not use the word Sai, a term used by Shan people of Burma who are Buddhists. People like Dr. Aye Chan with no PhD degree has no credibility just as Narinjara and Eleven Media don’t either.
Sai latt is working on his PhD and he cannot write bs to make a paper. Whatever he writes has to pass through review and hence his article has to have substance unlike yours.
Though I would love to see Malaysian politicians (BN) appear in courts outside of Malaysia, it would be appaling for a foreign court to “request” Malaysian ministers to appear as witness. It is the “sovereign right” of Malaysia to refuse co-operation.
Imagine for a moment – A Malaysian accuses an American or in this case a French company of bribery, then request that Obama or the French president to appear as witness….. doubt that would fly….
This article is a totally unreliable and lopsidedly written one. If the facts in it were true, Muslims would be always right and innocent. To know whether it is true or not, just look around the world, and you will clearly see who are more aggressive and how hostile Muslims are. At the same time, you will see that the almost 100 % of the world terrorists are Muslims.
Some media are misled to believe to report the current situation is
a religious driven conflict. Muslim and Buddhist mobs attaching, etc..
But if you have done your homework, the facts are clear:
1) Bu Thee Taung and Maung Daw districts in Burma are close to Cox Bazzar, Bangladesh
2) Bangladesh is a third of the size of Burma with thrice more populated
3) Bangladesh is a sinking nation, 20% of its today land mass will be under sea in decades
4) Burmese government has more to lose than gain from this conflict
5) Rohingya is a fabricated race, it never exist in British National Archives,
Britain ruled Burma from 1824 to 1947. Go to UK national archives online, search with keyword “Rohingya”. There will be no results. British are good in record keeping and they even archive shipping manifests from 1700s or
even earlier. So no archive means, this Rohingya is a fabrication.
6) OIC (organization of islamic countries) is backing Rohingyas and most of exile Burmese rely on Rohingya’s hand-outs. Even DVB, Oslo based media agency is head by Han Nyaung Wai, who was with OIC. OIC is known for rich man club.
7) There are a quarter to half a million of some ex-Burmese residents, Bangladeshi and Pakistanis among them, residing in Saudi Arabia. Even
ex-Mujaheed leader, whose failure in armed rebellion, led to coinage of the term Rohingya.
8) Refugee Watch International, report about Rohingya was compiled by
a Bangladeshi professor who has been closely collaborating with Bangladesh Strategic Studies, a Bangladesh state arm.
IMHO, my country Burma is under foreign invasion. Portraying this as intolerance is not only misleading but also manipulative. Racism and discrimination are evil and Burmese must refrain from but they do have rights to report the world as it is. Invasion is invasion, either by Chinese or Chittagongian Bengalis. Petro Dollars should not set double standards.
Boy, Vichai, you are getting desperate. We all know the last resort of the right wingers without an argument is to accuse people of being Thaksin apologists, but rarely is it so blatant.
I am not a Thaksin fan in any way. I would love to see him actually charged with the crimes I am sure he has committed (as per david #58), not a bunch of silly misdemeanors.
But when you have the level of corruption going on in Thailand and you want to persecute on person for a few pretty missteps, when he and everyone else appears to be guilty of much bigger things, you can’t claim the moral high ground.
One correction – it seems that “Thunderbolt” is the correct English language name for the Democrat Party’s protest group, and not “Lightening Rod”. Yesterday on their stage this name was mentioned by a speaker.
Link to detailed Reuters piece on the Buddhist-Muslim conflict in western Myanmar which has gone out worldwide…..a new international image in the making?
My main intention above was to highlight the plight of Burma’s underprivileged people with a fraction of untold story. And it was very kind of you to put me as “rather good at self-flagellation” since I could end up with much worse terms. Actually, I was really hesitated to tell what I knew but decided to do it because we need to break the decades-old vicious-circles of hatred.
Apart from that, I find a common ground with Plan B’s assertion below.
“Not until the very basic of Myanmar Citizenry HR to ‘education’, healthcare and economic opportunities are addressed and guaranteed to desperate deprived Citizenry, invoking present HR violations as well as others that stem from poverty, in every respects, will just be putting the cart b/f the horses.”
This is one among my wishes to realize in my homeland but it’s still a distant reality.
This author uses “alternative sources” to give another view of the issues. I am sure he got this “alternative sources” from Facebook too. Using these another sources, he said that one culprit was born into Buddhist family and adopted by a Muslim family. This story is just like a “joke of the day” and also like an attempt to make lightly of the rape case. He got this source from Facebook written by Alex Arakani. Like other Bengalese-cum-Rohengers, Alex is also an expert in inventing story in the same way they invented their so-called Rohenger history in Arakan Kingdom. Also quite sure that this writter has used many inputs from Rohenger sources, given his way of writing in the footsteps of, say, Habib Siddiqui, Nurul Islam and others who have alos used the same tone. If you read it carefully, Sai Latt (seemingly Pan-thay Tayoke) he is trying to blame media sources like Narinjara and Eleven Media and people like Dr. Aye Chan or to an extreme… to sabotage their crediblity and standing or their funders. He apparently failed to quote Kalandan news outlet for its brazen stirring up hatred among Rohenger people against our ARakanese. This article is not the first article I have read about racial conflict in Arakan and Burma in that 20% is acceptable while 80% is false and inciting. A good mixed of writing to garner support and empathy from Muslim world. He was supposed to collect information from the ground of Kyauknimaw where rape case and murder were committed to check if real rapists are Muslim in order to give his Ph.D status a good convincing.
Malaysian politics is certainly no less interesting than Thai politics.
At a court hearing some time ago, lawyers representing Altantuya also revealed that Malaysian immigration data on her had been deleted/erased under the order of you know who, meaning to say that Altantuya had never set foot/visited Malaysia.
> “While Phnom Penh’s come a million miles since the Khmer Rouge and Year Zero”
I’d strapped myself in for a roller-coaster of insight and analysis, little did i know i was to be savaged by the dots…….oh look what my little camera can do at an ridiculously high iso level……look at my grocer’s apostrophe’s and capitalization……..so outside the boundaries…….my strings of dots of random length…..enigmatic and poetic and at the same time rebellious…..a finger to the Big Man….i read just enough to be dangerous…..so is it Angkor or Angka…….i don’t care………i don’t need an editor…..got to submit now……get back to the Phnom Penh noir!
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Altantuya and Malaysia’s 13th general elections
Hi Neptuanian #5,
The issue here that differentiates Obama or Sarkozy, is that Najib Razak is privy to corrupt practises that used tax payers money.
If Obama and Sarkozy were involved in corrupt practises that involved a foreign country, they should also be held accountable, and international law provides for it (The article that I linked provides the legal arguments.)
If it actually occurs, is of course, altogether a different matter.
BBC under fire on Rohingyas
Sa Nay,
Where is concrete evidence (by reliable sources) that Rohingyas have ties with Al-Queda? Pretty hilarious since reliable News Agency such as reuter and AP would be the first to mention it if it were true.
Reconciliation games
Leah
In comment #17 I refer to a recent Bangkok Pundit post where he points out that in any reconciliation plan Thaksin might be likely to re-face the charges he was originally prosecuted under by the illegal military-constituted court.
What the PADocrat commentators seem to miss is that it isn’t Thaksin that comes off the worst from all these illegal, army-backed actions but Thailand, Thai democracy and the rule of law.
To bring Thaksin and all other parties and actors to account Thailand needs more of the latter two, not an abrogation of them.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Able Aung,
Yes, Sai was right in saying that there is no group who represents the Rohingya and he meant who represents the Rohingyas living in villages in Arakan.
That is why US is unable to give the Rohingyas refugee status and these people are stuck in Bangladesh instead of being relocated to a third country. Bangladesh cannot afford to absorb these people.
A little well-to-do Rohingyas made it to the west and are able to apply asylum but those who had to flee from the atrocity of the Burmese government and the Buddhist rakhines just end up in being stuck in Bangladesh withering away.
Regardless of race, ethnicity or religion, we should have compassion toward fellow human beings. No one deserves to live in such condition.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Aung,
Rohingya is not a fabricated word. The word was coined by a man whose ancestors has settled in Arakan since 10th century. He was merely labelling a particular group of Muslim in some parts of Arkan. That is not to say that there were other Muslims in Arakan. There were many other Muslims whose leaders ended up using this term because they were being marginalized by the Burmese government. Regardless of the name, these people were born in Arakan.
Some of these people have ancestors that came form bengal throughout history but by now means they are recent forigners who enetred burma illegally. Even if some did, they intermarried with pMuslims who have been there for so long just as your ancestors who were once foriengers intermarried with people who were already in the region that is now Burma.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Firstly, it looks fine to read reflecting background information. As for me, I can know some information that I couldn’t before. It is actually chronic issue based on racial and other socioeconomic matters. However, I doubt some points mentioned here because super-highlighting the facebook users’ message. May be they are young activist and mostly might be Buddhist. No ways to deny it. However Sai latt’s writing was also very openly to blame those but with no mention of why he said. He cannot clarify why and how government sponsored campaign against Muslim with reliable figures. And he draws up again absolutely unreliable information that is even very very rarely said by both Rohinja and Rakhine people that one of murderer was a child of Buddhist parents. The most important thing he failed is to say the day riot started is Friday and there were mass praying and feeling anger about 10 Muslim died in Taung Gyout Township. I simply think it is sparked because of passed away people they were killed illegally. I admit I am a Muslim but want to think and judge fairly on ground of realities. If some one says in bias, truth will go away from him/her.
Allah Bless to you all!!!
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Arakanese,
You have great imagination calling Sai latt as pan-Thay Tayoke. Pan-thay is a Burmese word for Chinese Muslim. Pan-thay are Chinese and they do not use the word Sai, a term used by Shan people of Burma who are Buddhists. People like Dr. Aye Chan with no PhD degree has no credibility just as Narinjara and Eleven Media don’t either.
Sai latt is working on his PhD and he cannot write bs to make a paper. Whatever he writes has to pass through review and hence his article has to have substance unlike yours.
BBC under fire on Rohingyas
http://www.facebook.com/pages/BBC-Stop-Lying-Rakhineaffairs-Campaign/348284261909584?ref=tn_tnmn
Altantuya and Malaysia’s 13th general elections
Hai Greg #3,
Though I would love to see Malaysian politicians (BN) appear in courts outside of Malaysia, it would be appaling for a foreign court to “request” Malaysian ministers to appear as witness. It is the “sovereign right” of Malaysia to refuse co-operation.
Imagine for a moment – A Malaysian accuses an American or in this case a French company of bribery, then request that Obama or the French president to appear as witness….. doubt that would fly….
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
This article is a totally unreliable and lopsidedly written one. If the facts in it were true, Muslims would be always right and innocent. To know whether it is true or not, just look around the world, and you will clearly see who are more aggressive and how hostile Muslims are. At the same time, you will see that the almost 100 % of the world terrorists are Muslims.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Some media are misled to believe to report the current situation is
a religious driven conflict. Muslim and Buddhist mobs attaching, etc..
But if you have done your homework, the facts are clear:
1) Bu Thee Taung and Maung Daw districts in Burma are close to Cox Bazzar, Bangladesh
2) Bangladesh is a third of the size of Burma with thrice more populated
3) Bangladesh is a sinking nation, 20% of its today land mass will be under sea in decades
4) Burmese government has more to lose than gain from this conflict
5) Rohingya is a fabricated race, it never exist in British National Archives,
Britain ruled Burma from 1824 to 1947. Go to UK national archives online, search with keyword “Rohingya”. There will be no results. British are good in record keeping and they even archive shipping manifests from 1700s or
even earlier. So no archive means, this Rohingya is a fabrication.
6) OIC (organization of islamic countries) is backing Rohingyas and most of exile Burmese rely on Rohingya’s hand-outs. Even DVB, Oslo based media agency is head by Han Nyaung Wai, who was with OIC. OIC is known for rich man club.
7) There are a quarter to half a million of some ex-Burmese residents, Bangladeshi and Pakistanis among them, residing in Saudi Arabia. Even
ex-Mujaheed leader, whose failure in armed rebellion, led to coinage of the term Rohingya.
8) Refugee Watch International, report about Rohingya was compiled by
a Bangladeshi professor who has been closely collaborating with Bangladesh Strategic Studies, a Bangladesh state arm.
IMHO, my country Burma is under foreign invasion. Portraying this as intolerance is not only misleading but also manipulative. Racism and discrimination are evil and Burmese must refrain from but they do have rights to report the world as it is. Invasion is invasion, either by Chinese or Chittagongian Bengalis. Petro Dollars should not set double standards.
Reconciliation games
Boy, Vichai, you are getting desperate. We all know the last resort of the right wingers without an argument is to accuse people of being Thaksin apologists, but rarely is it so blatant.
I am not a Thaksin fan in any way. I would love to see him actually charged with the crimes I am sure he has committed (as per david #58), not a bunch of silly misdemeanors.
But when you have the level of corruption going on in Thailand and you want to persecute on person for a few pretty missteps, when he and everyone else appears to be guilty of much bigger things, you can’t claim the moral high ground.
What do you have to say to that Aphisit lover?
Noir nights in Phnom Penh
When can we have that in Burma?
Reconciliation games
One correction – it seems that “Thunderbolt” is the correct English language name for the Democrat Party’s protest group, and not “Lightening Rod”. Yesterday on their stage this name was mentioned by a speaker.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Thank you Sai Latt for this article. It is an anchor of reasoned sensibility in this (shockingly quick-to-surface) sea of vitriol. Pls keep it up.
Best wishes,
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Link to detailed Reuters piece on the Buddhist-Muslim conflict in western Myanmar which has gone out worldwide…..a new international image in the making?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/11/us-myanmar-violence-idUSBRE85A01C20120611
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
@ Moe Aung
My main intention above was to highlight the plight of Burma’s underprivileged people with a fraction of untold story. And it was very kind of you to put me as “rather good at self-flagellation” since I could end up with much worse terms. Actually, I was really hesitated to tell what I knew but decided to do it because we need to break the decades-old vicious-circles of hatred.
Apart from that, I find a common ground with Plan B’s assertion below.
“Not until the very basic of Myanmar Citizenry HR to ‘education’, healthcare and economic opportunities are addressed and guaranteed to desperate deprived Citizenry, invoking present HR violations as well as others that stem from poverty, in every respects, will just be putting the cart b/f the horses.”
This is one among my wishes to realize in my homeland but it’s still a distant reality.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
This author uses “alternative sources” to give another view of the issues. I am sure he got this “alternative sources” from Facebook too. Using these another sources, he said that one culprit was born into Buddhist family and adopted by a Muslim family. This story is just like a “joke of the day” and also like an attempt to make lightly of the rape case. He got this source from Facebook written by Alex Arakani. Like other Bengalese-cum-Rohengers, Alex is also an expert in inventing story in the same way they invented their so-called Rohenger history in Arakan Kingdom. Also quite sure that this writter has used many inputs from Rohenger sources, given his way of writing in the footsteps of, say, Habib Siddiqui, Nurul Islam and others who have alos used the same tone. If you read it carefully, Sai Latt (seemingly Pan-thay Tayoke) he is trying to blame media sources like Narinjara and Eleven Media and people like Dr. Aye Chan or to an extreme… to sabotage their crediblity and standing or their funders. He apparently failed to quote Kalandan news outlet for its brazen stirring up hatred among Rohenger people against our ARakanese. This article is not the first article I have read about racial conflict in Arakan and Burma in that 20% is acceptable while 80% is false and inciting. A good mixed of writing to garner support and empathy from Muslim world. He was supposed to collect information from the ground of Kyauknimaw where rape case and murder were committed to check if real rapists are Muslim in order to give his Ph.D status a good convincing.
Altantuya and Malaysia’s 13th general elections
Malaysian politics is certainly no less interesting than Thai politics.
At a court hearing some time ago, lawyers representing Altantuya also revealed that Malaysian immigration data on her had been deleted/erased under the order of you know who, meaning to say that Altantuya had never set foot/visited Malaysia.
Noir nights in Phnom Penh
> “While Phnom Penh’s come a million miles since the Khmer Rouge and Year Zero”
I’d strapped myself in for a roller-coaster of insight and analysis, little did i know i was to be savaged by the dots…….oh look what my little camera can do at an ridiculously high iso level……look at my grocer’s apostrophe’s and capitalization……..so outside the boundaries…….my strings of dots of random length…..enigmatic and poetic and at the same time rebellious…..a finger to the Big Man….i read just enough to be dangerous…..so is it Angkor or Angka…….i don’t care………i don’t need an editor…..got to submit now……get back to the Phnom Penh noir!