Absolutely! Thailand needs IT development not IT suppression….the “Burma Model” of blocking and censorship is only “stylish” with the yuppie Hi-So Thais who gather around their Facebook hate groups to help each other get over the shock of yet another election being decided by the “non-Thai” “non-Bangkok” voters in the NorthEast….yet they themselves and all of their hate comments and endless rants on their Facebook pages should of course not be subject to government control, intrusion or censorship.
The generals don’t actually know what the Internet is so they’re at a loss when it comes to all matters IT.
The analysis is interesting, but the AFP piece ends up being a bit dull, because it only cites well-educated, prominent women as sources. The fact that Thailand’s well-to-do, in general, do not like Thaksin (or Yingluck) is not a new story and does not necessarily reflect the opinion of women throughout Thailand. Not that I disrespect Khun Sutada or Khun Arpaporn’s opinions, but it would be more interesting if AFP talked to women from different socio-economic backgrounds for their assessment of this very historic event.
Either morally or intellectually bankrupt, take your pick – I personally suspect ANU is working in tandem with degenerate cesspools like the Lowy Institute, but this first sentence….
“The biggest threat – as perceived by the present administration – to Malaysia’s internal security is a demand for free and fair elections.”
…is an absolute slap in the face to NM’s readership.
Bersih has nothing to do with “free and fair elections.” It is yet another contrived, foreign-funded and supported street mob working on behalf of Ibrahim Anwar – long in the service of “international institutions” like the World Bank and IMF. Anwar is also a regular guest of the Neo-Con lined National Endowment for Democracy (NED).
Bersih’s own organizers have admitted to receiving money from the National Democratic Institute, a subsidiary of NED, as well as billionaire bankster George Soros’ Open Society.
Ironically, when ANU isn’t shilling for “Bersih,” NED-funded Prachatai in Thailand is – reporting on a recent (last Saturday) protest to show solidarity in Bangkok for arrested PSM and Bersih members. The rally was attended by NED-funded People’s Empowerment Foundation.
Looking forward to the cognitively dissonant, intellectually/morally bankrupt excuses as to what all of these groups are doing receiving money from foreigners and coordinating regional political unrest across Southeast Asia – and how their consorting and coordinating with foreign powers isn’t the reason they are really being thrown into jail and “suppressed.”
If there is nothing wrong with receiving such funds and operating on behalf of foreign interests, why is New Mandala obfuscating this information? I suspect they fully know and are willfully lying and purposefully misinforming their intelligent, well-intentioned, yet overly trusting readership.
Agree with CT above. When one starts dropping those р╣Др╕нр╣Йр╣Ар╕лр╕╡р╣Йр╕в in Thai, that’s about as close as you can get in English to using the word f–k. It’s an effective little bomb. 🙂
The investigation should also include who ordered the red shirt leadership to stop negotiations to end the protests with a peaceful and honourable compromise.
In Chiang Mai I am told the women have traditionally had the power so if a man appears on stage a woman may be pulling the strings.
Now perhaps we have a no strings attrached leader but I wonder why she has not been to see the King and advise him she has the numbers to form a government? She should be PM by now even if forming a full cabinet takes a while. Remember Australia’s best government and shortest? GFough Whitlam & Lance Barnard. They got the draft resisters out of jail in no time. Yingluck could do something similar over political prisoners.
For the source who complained she: “never said a single word about women’s rights promotion during her campaign”, …
… we have:
“At the National Council of Women of Thailand where her sister, Yaowares Shinawatra, was once president, Ms Ying-luck promised to give each province 100 million baht to support income-generating activities of women’s groups, while working closely with the women’s council.
A poor show from Ms Sutada – never say never -nobody can claim with any confidence to have analysed every word output by any candidate, including their team, during the 40-day election campaign.
Which is more important between women’s right problem and miliatary back-up Prime Minister? Unfortunately,we cannot solve many problems with one election.
Aung San Suu Kyi achieved nothing in the past 20 yrs. Can Thailand wait that long? It’s perfectly normal to have something and wished for a better version of it. But Suu Kyi?
It could happened in a better manner than Yinglak, Thai’s first Female PM. But we had it a whole lot better than Burma, that’s for sure.
[…] is because while imposter academics like Dr. Andrew Walker of Australia’s National University throw up unrelated correlations between a growing number of Internet connections in Thailand and PTP’s rising popularity, […]
I’ve posted a link that shows a invalid ballot with a mark on PT’s logo box, but it didn’t show, anyway, EC was just using chuwit as scapegoat. Chuwit got around 870k constituency so its almost safe to assume that he got the same amount for electoral (and I’m being generous here) then we have another 2 million invalid ballot that need some explanation.
The FTA means nothing. I tried to import a product from Australia and the FDA said it was dangerous and wouldn’t allow it. It was a plant extract. The FDA were so concerned about this widely used Australian plant poisoning innocent Thais that nothing less than a million baht payment would dissuade them (as many Chinese with dubious products have apparently done). I declined, bugger them. Had zero help from Austrade, wouldn’t even return my calls.
Couldn’t imagine Taksin will endanger what is probably his last chance, so would expect the usually corruption, slightly better governance, the military and monarchy left alone. He will try something eventually of course when he believes his power is consolidated. The Cambodian border may be interesting to watch as a signal from the army.
Some of Red Shirt who anti-monarchy are use that word to accuse to the higher than Privy councilor rank but most of the red shirt are not followed that.
Microquibble: “Bersih” is not an acronym, but rather a nickname.
Events within the last 48 hours have changed things considerably, including the unprecedented involvement of our constitutional monarch and the relocation of the rally to a stadium (the exact one is yet to be announced), and I am keen to see if New Mandala will have any analysis of the events.
The argument that many of the spoilt ballot papers resulted from voters marking No. 5 on the constituency ballot paper would appear to make some kind of sense. Apparently that is also the case that the Election Commission is attempting to make. I have one problem with it. That is that the exit polls gave Chuwit 3 seats, whereas in the event he got four, which seems to indicate to me that he actually received at least as many votes as predicted, and probably more. So that does not seem to leave much room for spoilt ballots. Of course you could argue that this will not have affected his party vote ballot paper and would only have resulted in a number of wasted constituency ballot papers. The problem with that is that the overall difference between the spoilt party papers and the spoilt constituency papers is only about 0.8% which still leaves an awful lot of unexplained spoilt votes.
The Bangkok result still amazes me. Where the difference between the exit poll and the official result represents a swing of more than half the seats (18 out of 33) from Pheau Thai to the “Democrats”, something is very strange indeed. One of the recognised advantages of exit polls is that they provide a rough and ready reckoner of possible electoral fraud, particularly ballot stuffing. Surely such a thing could not have happened in Thailand?! But I do wonder whether the Election Commission has actually instigated an investigation into what is clearly an interesting statistical anomaly.
As Arthurson pointed out in another thread, Prachatai for the first time in months is now banned.
Hopefully, this is just the last gasp of a disgruntled bureaucrat or losing politician. And I hope Yingluck puts someone with the radical idea that freedom of speech is a common good in a democracy, not a danger, in charge of the ICT and Communications Ministry.This will be a key appointment.
Seh Fah is right. The best way to reduce the army’s power would be to phase out conscription. The system as it is carried out in Thailand is inherently unfair, and open to abuse and corruption. A small professional army would be less interested in coups. It’s a tall order but someone should at least put it on the agenda for discussion.
I also note Seh Fah’s point that the military go to military courts for non-military offences as in the case of the Colonel who is suspected of deliberately running over another officer but in a civilian environment.
On the matter of freer speech and the 112 laws, perhaps people, especially the redshirts who were holding those signs, will feel less intimidated now that “their” side has won and speak more freely and less in coded language. It will be interesting to see if this can happen and whether the government feels confident enough to loosen the reins.
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Absolutely! Thailand needs IT development not IT suppression….the “Burma Model” of blocking and censorship is only “stylish” with the yuppie Hi-So Thais who gather around their Facebook hate groups to help each other get over the shock of yet another election being decided by the “non-Thai” “non-Bangkok” voters in the NorthEast….yet they themselves and all of their hate comments and endless rants on their Facebook pages should of course not be subject to government control, intrusion or censorship.
The generals don’t actually know what the Internet is so they’re at a loss when it comes to all matters IT.
Yingluck and Thailand’s women
The analysis is interesting, but the AFP piece ends up being a bit dull, because it only cites well-educated, prominent women as sources. The fact that Thailand’s well-to-do, in general, do not like Thaksin (or Yingluck) is not a new story and does not necessarily reflect the opinion of women throughout Thailand. Not that I disrespect Khun Sutada or Khun Arpaporn’s opinions, but it would be more interesting if AFP talked to women from different socio-economic backgrounds for their assessment of this very historic event.
Malaysia in turmoil?
Either morally or intellectually bankrupt, take your pick – I personally suspect ANU is working in tandem with degenerate cesspools like the Lowy Institute, but this first sentence….
“The biggest threat – as perceived by the present administration – to Malaysia’s internal security is a demand for free and fair elections.”
…is an absolute slap in the face to NM’s readership.
Bersih has nothing to do with “free and fair elections.” It is yet another contrived, foreign-funded and supported street mob working on behalf of Ibrahim Anwar – long in the service of “international institutions” like the World Bank and IMF. Anwar is also a regular guest of the Neo-Con lined National Endowment for Democracy (NED).
http://www.ned.org/docs/07annual/PDFs/NED_AR_NewsEvents07.pdf
http://www.ned.org/for-reporters/national-endowment-for-democracy-to-donate-founding-papers-to-library-of-congress-june
Bersih’s own organizers have admitted to receiving money from the National Democratic Institute, a subsidiary of NED, as well as billionaire bankster George Soros’ Open Society.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/mobile/malaysia/article/Bersih-repudiates-foreign-Christian-funding-claim/
A cached version of NDI’s website reveals that they recently admitted to this, but have since then erased it.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:djT2AwGnJqIJ:www.ndi.org/malaysia+bersih+NDI+Open+Society&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com
Ironically, when ANU isn’t shilling for “Bersih,” NED-funded Prachatai in Thailand is – reporting on a recent (last Saturday) protest to show solidarity in Bangkok for arrested PSM and Bersih members. The rally was attended by NED-funded People’s Empowerment Foundation.
http://www.ned.org/where-we-work/asia/thailand
More can be found here,
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/07/cia-coup-army-uncovered-in-asia.html
Looking forward to the cognitively dissonant, intellectually/morally bankrupt excuses as to what all of these groups are doing receiving money from foreigners and coordinating regional political unrest across Southeast Asia – and how their consorting and coordinating with foreign powers isn’t the reason they are really being thrown into jail and “suppressed.”
If there is nothing wrong with receiving such funds and operating on behalf of foreign interests, why is New Mandala obfuscating this information? I suspect they fully know and are willfully lying and purposefully misinforming their intelligent, well-intentioned, yet overly trusting readership.
Who ordered the killing?
Agree with CT above. When one starts dropping those р╣Др╕нр╣Йр╣Ар╕лр╕╡р╣Йр╕в in Thai, that’s about as close as you can get in English to using the word f–k. It’s an effective little bomb. 🙂
Who ordered the killing?
The investigation should also include who ordered the red shirt leadership to stop negotiations to end the protests with a peaceful and honourable compromise.
Yingluck and Thailand’s women
In Chiang Mai I am told the women have traditionally had the power so if a man appears on stage a woman may be pulling the strings.
Now perhaps we have a no strings attrached leader but I wonder why she has not been to see the King and advise him she has the numbers to form a government? She should be PM by now even if forming a full cabinet takes a while. Remember Australia’s best government and shortest? GFough Whitlam & Lance Barnard. They got the draft resisters out of jail in no time. Yingluck could do something similar over political prisoners.
Yingluck and Thailand’s women
For the source who complained she: “never said a single word about women’s rights promotion during her campaign”, …
… we have:
“At the National Council of Women of Thailand where her sister, Yaowares Shinawatra, was once president, Ms Ying-luck promised to give each province 100 million baht to support income-generating activities of women’s groups, while working closely with the women’s council.
A poor show from Ms Sutada – never say never -nobody can claim with any confidence to have analysed every word output by any candidate, including their team, during the 40-day election campaign.
Thailand’s precarious politics
I apologise for the misinformation in (24). Thanks, Andrew, for putting it right.
Yingluck and Thailand’s women
Which is more important between women’s right problem and miliatary back-up Prime Minister? Unfortunately,we cannot solve many problems with one election.
Yingluck and Thailand’s women
Aung San Suu Kyi achieved nothing in the past 20 yrs. Can Thailand wait that long? It’s perfectly normal to have something and wished for a better version of it. But Suu Kyi?
It could happened in a better manner than Yinglak, Thai’s first Female PM. But we had it a whole lot better than Burma, that’s for sure.
Suu Kyi is just idealistic talk.
Thai Election 2011: Early predictions
[…] is because while imposter academics like Dr. Andrew Walker of Australia’s National University throw up unrelated correlations between a growing number of Internet connections in Thailand and PTP’s rising popularity, […]
Regional voting
Wern
I’ve posted a link that shows a invalid ballot with a mark on PT’s logo box, but it didn’t show, anyway, EC was just using chuwit as scapegoat. Chuwit got around 870k constituency so its almost safe to assume that he got the same amount for electoral (and I’m being generous here) then we have another 2 million invalid ballot that need some explanation.
Who ordered the killing?
son of a bi…. is probably a general all around close approximation to the phrase as it is used in several contexts….
Thailand’s precarious politics
The FTA means nothing. I tried to import a product from Australia and the FDA said it was dangerous and wouldn’t allow it. It was a plant extract. The FDA were so concerned about this widely used Australian plant poisoning innocent Thais that nothing less than a million baht payment would dissuade them (as many Chinese with dubious products have apparently done). I declined, bugger them. Had zero help from Austrade, wouldn’t even return my calls.
Couldn’t imagine Taksin will endanger what is probably his last chance, so would expect the usually corruption, slightly better governance, the military and monarchy left alone. He will try something eventually of course when he believes his power is consolidated. The Cambodian border may be interesting to watch as a signal from the army.
Who ordered the killing?
Zetarn #13
I’m a member of red shirt in thailand. . .
Some of Red Shirt who anti-monarchy are use that word to accuse to the higher than Privy councilor rank but most of the red shirt are not followed that.
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Who ordered the killing?
Abhisit has issued veiled threats to Yingluck via discussions with US officials not to try to bring Thaksin back and not to try to find out who ordered the killing…..http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Fltv8hU&h=vAQDzrc0f
Malaysia in turmoil?
Microquibble: “Bersih” is not an acronym, but rather a nickname.
Events within the last 48 hours have changed things considerably, including the unprecedented involvement of our constitutional monarch and the relocation of the rally to a stadium (the exact one is yet to be announced), and I am keen to see if New Mandala will have any analysis of the events.
Regional voting
The argument that many of the spoilt ballot papers resulted from voters marking No. 5 on the constituency ballot paper would appear to make some kind of sense. Apparently that is also the case that the Election Commission is attempting to make. I have one problem with it. That is that the exit polls gave Chuwit 3 seats, whereas in the event he got four, which seems to indicate to me that he actually received at least as many votes as predicted, and probably more. So that does not seem to leave much room for spoilt ballots. Of course you could argue that this will not have affected his party vote ballot paper and would only have resulted in a number of wasted constituency ballot papers. The problem with that is that the overall difference between the spoilt party papers and the spoilt constituency papers is only about 0.8% which still leaves an awful lot of unexplained spoilt votes.
The Bangkok result still amazes me. Where the difference between the exit poll and the official result represents a swing of more than half the seats (18 out of 33) from Pheau Thai to the “Democrats”, something is very strange indeed. One of the recognised advantages of exit polls is that they provide a rough and ready reckoner of possible electoral fraud, particularly ballot stuffing. Surely such a thing could not have happened in Thailand?! But I do wonder whether the Election Commission has actually instigated an investigation into what is clearly an interesting statistical anomaly.
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As Arthurson pointed out in another thread, Prachatai for the first time in months is now banned.
Hopefully, this is just the last gasp of a disgruntled bureaucrat or losing politician. And I hope Yingluck puts someone with the radical idea that freedom of speech is a common good in a democracy, not a danger, in charge of the ICT and Communications Ministry.This will be a key appointment.
Thailand’s precarious politics
Seh Fah is right. The best way to reduce the army’s power would be to phase out conscription. The system as it is carried out in Thailand is inherently unfair, and open to abuse and corruption. A small professional army would be less interested in coups. It’s a tall order but someone should at least put it on the agenda for discussion.
I also note Seh Fah’s point that the military go to military courts for non-military offences as in the case of the Colonel who is suspected of deliberately running over another officer but in a civilian environment.
On the matter of freer speech and the 112 laws, perhaps people, especially the redshirts who were holding those signs, will feel less intimidated now that “their” side has won and speak more freely and less in coded language. It will be interesting to see if this can happen and whether the government feels confident enough to loosen the reins.