Poor Jim. See where this has led you. Next you will be arguing in favour of the Divine Right.
Sometimes it’s not so great to be proved right. Like a mother warning her children not to play with fire, I really didn’t want to be proved right. I warned that if you try to find a class conflict in this dispute between different members of the ruling class you will have to perform some pretty difficult mental gymnastics. And now you have not only burnt your fingers, you have burnt your entire arm. Now your conspiracy theory takes you into supporting sides in the palace.
I can lay back and enjoy the Wikileaks but Thaksin’s supporters must be dreading each cable from the Bangkok embassy coming out. What happens when they get to things like the CTX scandal? The only answers they can have now will be that the US diplomats were lying in their internal communications.
in summary we must assume that he was set up to fall long time back as the myth of incompetence was spun by the amaat regime concerned over certain matters of control (or lack thereof in this case), and over power and estate. How did certain tapes suddenly appear in the media on birthday event (remember?); can we any longer believe everything we hear? [In much the same way Thaksin was set up to fall by the regime]. Never underestimate the might, determination and fearlessness of the amaat regime who will stop at nothing to get what they want. BTW/Informants told me that ‘he’ was seen briefly at the protest site in April 2010 smiling and waving to red shirts, and was subsequently told make himself scarse and get out of the country…Who would sit at the summit? work it out…
The suspensions were not related to what was reported; it was the way the material was used, namely on the front page. Journals were instructed to print news and pics related to DASSK on the inside pages, and photos could only be “small”. Now, they are getting specific size instructions for photos, like “maximum five inches by three inches”.
While some just ignored the “not on the front page” instruction, others tried to get around it by printing it on inside pages and then when the paper was put together wrapping a sheet of four inside pages around the cover. I saw one journal where the front page had “page 28” written at the top! Needless to say, it didn’t help them avoid a week in the sin bin.
Most people in Burma listen to the radio broadcasts coming from outside the country such as BBC, RFA and VOA for true news about Burma and Daw ASSK. The news printed in the local journals are those doctored already. However, many people still like to read about her wherever and whenever permitted by the authorities. The local Burmese news are all censored. So the suspension of some journals for printing her news is just a show of their inconsistency and arbitrariness on the part of the SPDC.
Is Plan B the same as Hla Oo? If there is a will, there is a way, so the saying goes to post on this forum. There is no political change yet in Burma despite the recent general election. So waiting for a gradual political change under he present circumstances is futile. The people will rise up and dictate the change when the time comes.
There I was, labouring under the impression the communist threat has gone for good in Burma. Reds around ASSK. Reds under the bed. Everywhere, aren’t they?
Yes, we must let our generals, the greatest anti-communists of all in the world, rule over us for eternity. The single most important redeeming quality of the Burmese military in the eyes of the West.
Thank goodnesss, your warning is so timely. So close, so dangerous…
The bit about minor royals and their entourage of motorcade reminds me of the many anecdotes that can be found in Thai language fora and websites recounting personal experiences of individuals who had bumped into Princess Sirindhorn riding the skytrain incognito.
Khun Somsak #17. If part of Somdet Phrathep’s title becomes Sayammakut Ratchakumari from Sayamborom Ratchakumari, do you think that qualifies her as the heir and Crown Princess?
Les Abbey(#22)- I’m glad you raise this point about Thaksin, though it remains a hypothetical at this point. What will be the reaction when cables focusing on Thaksin – which I don’t expect will be very complimentary – are released? On the other hand, I’m sorry to see you perpetuating that business about Thaksin’s support on the left. Occasional lip service aside – SOP for politics – the leftists in the red camp are allies rather than supporters. There’s a distinction there.
Just want to add that as a personal opinion, the 2006 coup really could not have had happened without the requisite patronage, due not only to TRT strong election results but also the rather crude maneuvering by ex-PM Thaksin to try to consolidate power to deal with the privy council. Using up what is left of the King’s hardearned and hardworn glamour was really the only other weapon left the elites could leverage against the younger and vibrant TRT and its wittier and more sly leader Thaksin. And in doing so, that shiny golden glamour had been much dulled and tarnished – hardly something that people who professed their love and loyalty for their monarch should do.
That it was the Queen behind the coup is hardly earth shattering in truth, merely in publicness of the announcement. Afterall, an image had to be maintained, even if many other already knew the “truth”. The King at the end of the day sat on the throne that can do no wrong, and what the King wants, another had to do and execute and if necessary, take the fall so that again the painstakingly polished image can be maintain its golden legend “pretentiously” untarnished.
My mother said: There is no citizen in the world that love and rever their King more than the rural Thai farmers. But the King do not love them back equally. That the King should love his people is not a necessity, but it is a tragedy in the face of such devotion grassroots supporters had for him.
I think Tarrin, the issue is more than just the economy is not doing well. I think alot of monies has gone missing somewhere and the coffers are actually much more empty than even the most creative accounting can account for.
Out of curiosity, any Thais here renewed their smart ID cards or will be renewing their ID cards very soon? Yellow slips anyone?
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Thai media gag on Wikileaks
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Wikileaks and Crown Prince Vajiralongkorn
Jim Taylor – 30
Poor Jim. See where this has led you. Next you will be arguing in favour of the Divine Right.
Sometimes it’s not so great to be proved right. Like a mother warning her children not to play with fire, I really didn’t want to be proved right. I warned that if you try to find a class conflict in this dispute between different members of the ruling class you will have to perform some pretty difficult mental gymnastics. And now you have not only burnt your fingers, you have burnt your entire arm. Now your conspiracy theory takes you into supporting sides in the palace.
I can lay back and enjoy the Wikileaks but Thaksin’s supporters must be dreading each cable from the Bangkok embassy coming out. What happens when they get to things like the CTX scandal? The only answers they can have now will be that the US diplomats were lying in their internal communications.
Wikileaks and Crown Prince Vajiralongkorn
in summary we must assume that he was set up to fall long time back as the myth of incompetence was spun by the amaat regime concerned over certain matters of control (or lack thereof in this case), and over power and estate. How did certain tapes suddenly appear in the media on birthday event (remember?); can we any longer believe everything we hear? [In much the same way Thaksin was set up to fall by the regime]. Never underestimate the might, determination and fearlessness of the amaat regime who will stop at nothing to get what they want. BTW/Informants told me that ‘he’ was seen briefly at the protest site in April 2010 smiling and waving to red shirts, and was subsequently told make himself scarse and get out of the country…Who would sit at the summit? work it out…
Thai media coverage of Wikileaks
Cannot speak – A short parody:
“The Daily Dose” by Khun Pluem (ML Nattakorn Devakul) on Voice TV:
How Thai media report wikileaks news XXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2LiIReHegs
Thai media coverage of Wikileaks
See this comment by Kong Rithdee in the BP:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/211901/a-wikileak-from-beyond-the-grave
Coverage of Suu Kyi release
Maung Maung,
The suspensions were not related to what was reported; it was the way the material was used, namely on the front page. Journals were instructed to print news and pics related to DASSK on the inside pages, and photos could only be “small”. Now, they are getting specific size instructions for photos, like “maximum five inches by three inches”.
While some just ignored the “not on the front page” instruction, others tried to get around it by printing it on inside pages and then when the paper was put together wrapping a sheet of four inside pages around the cover. I saw one journal where the front page had “page 28” written at the top! Needless to say, it didn’t help them avoid a week in the sin bin.
Wikileaks and Crown Prince Vajiralongkorn
superanonymous – 26
the leftists in the red camp are allies rather than supporters. There’s a distinction there.
SOP or not the distinction is pretty fine;-)
Coverage of Suu Kyi release
Most people in Burma listen to the radio broadcasts coming from outside the country such as BBC, RFA and VOA for true news about Burma and Daw ASSK. The news printed in the local journals are those doctored already. However, many people still like to read about her wherever and whenever permitted by the authorities. The local Burmese news are all censored. So the suspension of some journals for printing her news is just a show of their inconsistency and arbitrariness on the part of the SPDC.
Gradual political change in Burma
Corrigenda to Maung Maung’s post of 18th December:
Read “the” for “he” at the beginning of the fourth line
Gradual political change in Burma
Is Plan B the same as Hla Oo? If there is a will, there is a way, so the saying goes to post on this forum. There is no political change yet in Burma despite the recent general election. So waiting for a gradual political change under he present circumstances is futile. The people will rise up and dictate the change when the time comes.
Gradual political change in Burma
plan B,
Do I take that as a compliment?
It’s ever so hurtful when your love for the West is unrequited, isn’t it?
Any insight into why, despite being such staunch anti-communists?
Gradual political change in Burma
You are the quintessential example of leftist and prototypical supporter of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi.
Ko Moe Aung
Will you like me to quote just some of your leftist cries on the walls of New Mandala recently and not so recently?
Gradual political change in Burma
Hla Oo,
There I was, labouring under the impression the communist threat has gone for good in Burma. Reds around ASSK. Reds under the bed. Everywhere, aren’t they?
Yes, we must let our generals, the greatest anti-communists of all in the world, rule over us for eternity. The single most important redeeming quality of the Burmese military in the eyes of the West.
Thank goodnesss, your warning is so timely. So close, so dangerous…
Wikileaks and Crown Prince Vajiralongkorn
The bit about minor royals and their entourage of motorcade reminds me of the many anecdotes that can be found in Thai language fora and websites recounting personal experiences of individuals who had bumped into Princess Sirindhorn riding the skytrain incognito.
Wikileaks and Crown Prince Vajiralongkorn
Khun Somsak #17. If part of Somdet Phrathep’s title becomes Sayammakut Ratchakumari from Sayamborom Ratchakumari, do you think that qualifies her as the heir and Crown Princess?
Gradual political change in Burma
First of all it is hard to believe that being in Yangon you can easily post on the forum.
Ko Maung Maung
Please tell us the significance of the unoccupied charred building at the corner of Latha and Canal street in Yangon?
Why it has been unchanged/unoccupied since 1962 despite the fact that the location is among the most expensive part Yangon commercial district?
Wikileaks and Crown Prince Vajiralongkorn
Les Abbey(#22)- I’m glad you raise this point about Thaksin, though it remains a hypothetical at this point. What will be the reaction when cables focusing on Thaksin – which I don’t expect will be very complimentary – are released? On the other hand, I’m sorry to see you perpetuating that business about Thaksin’s support on the left. Occasional lip service aside – SOP for politics – the leftists in the red camp are allies rather than supporters. There’s a distinction there.
Samak, the Queen and the Bangkok Post
Just want to add that as a personal opinion, the 2006 coup really could not have had happened without the requisite patronage, due not only to TRT strong election results but also the rather crude maneuvering by ex-PM Thaksin to try to consolidate power to deal with the privy council. Using up what is left of the King’s hardearned and hardworn glamour was really the only other weapon left the elites could leverage against the younger and vibrant TRT and its wittier and more sly leader Thaksin. And in doing so, that shiny golden glamour had been much dulled and tarnished – hardly something that people who professed their love and loyalty for their monarch should do.
That it was the Queen behind the coup is hardly earth shattering in truth, merely in publicness of the announcement. Afterall, an image had to be maintained, even if many other already knew the “truth”. The King at the end of the day sat on the throne that can do no wrong, and what the King wants, another had to do and execute and if necessary, take the fall so that again the painstakingly polished image can be maintain its golden legend “pretentiously” untarnished.
My mother said: There is no citizen in the world that love and rever their King more than the rural Thai farmers. But the King do not love them back equally. That the King should love his people is not a necessity, but it is a tragedy in the face of such devotion grassroots supporters had for him.
Samak, the Queen and the Bangkok Post
Not surprised the online copies are removed – the diplomats must all be on extreme OT to get that done.
Hmm… I think I may still have the SCMP copy somewhere in my trash bin. Maybe I should retrieve it and cut out that article…
When will Thailand go to the polls?
I think Tarrin, the issue is more than just the economy is not doing well. I think alot of monies has gone missing somewhere and the coffers are actually much more empty than even the most creative accounting can account for.
Out of curiosity, any Thais here renewed their smart ID cards or will be renewing their ID cards very soon? Yellow slips anyone?