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  1. Martino Ray Plus says:

    Is it auspicious that the terrorists have been charged on the Queen’s birthday? Good timing.

  2. Dom says:

    For those interested, Andrew Harding is coming out with a book about Thailand’s constitutional history later this year. You can read more about it at: http://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Thailand-Contextual-Analysis/dp/1841139726/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1281577039&sr=8-3

  3. Saowapha says:

    Chris Beale: You’re right the policeman in the 1st picture was wearing shoes.
    The English ‘caption’ is for the 2nd photo; apology for that πŸ™‚
    (if you zoom in the 2nd picture you will see the Thai caption quite well)

  4. JB says:

    Meanwhile in the local news:

    FM Confirms UN has Received Thailand’s Explanation Letter
    UPDATE : 11 August 2010
    “Thailand’s Foreign Affairs Ministry has confirmed that the United Nations has received Thailand’s rebuttal letter countering Cambodian claims that its sovereignty has been encroached. Meanwhile, Secretary to the Foreign Minister Chavanont Intarakomalsut confirms that Thailand will soon start pushing Cambodians off the disputed area.”

    http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=103335

    But we should take a look at at least one historical analysis of the sitution and consider…….

    “Preah Vihear’s origins are Khmer, and most analysts consider Cambodia to have the stronger of the competing claims, but the history surrounding the temple is complex. The temple has meaning–both as a cultural symbol and a religious place of worship–to people on both sides of the border. In fact, many of the people around Preah Vihear share broadly common ancestry and were themselves divided by relatively arbitrary national frontiers. The two sides have much to gain from a mutual access agreement. Preah Vihear should be a magnet for tourists and a shining example of cultural traditions that exist on both sides of the border, not a graveyard for young Thai and Cambodian soldiers.”–John D. Ciorciari

    http://spice.stanford.edu/docs/thailand_and_cambodia_the_battle_for_preah_vihear/

  5. Charles F says:

    plan B.,

    I’ve read many of your postings here on New Mandala and elsewhere. I believe that you’re disagreeable just to be disagreeable. You rarely add much to the discussion, but rather, you nitpick peoples posts. You should try writing something original.

    I write Tatmadaw and SPDC interchangeably. For all intents and purposes they’re one and the same. Let’s throw the USDA in there as well.

    Yes, I referred to them as pigs at a trough – that’s what they remind me of. The above article was about the little piglets trying to get their share of the slop before the older pigs – Than Shwe – consume it all and then flee to Singapore.

  6. Moe Aung says:

    Great stuff. The ‘triumphant elite of the future’ was already too full of themselves and extraordinarily arrogant even forty years ago. They believe the country owes it to them, it’s their birthright to rule, and they owe it to the institutionalised dictatorship with its broadened social base of the crony business class. Wealth that comes with power inevitably leads to conspicuous consumption totally impervious and insensitive to the plight of the majority.

    I agree with Charles F that their own insatiable greed will consume them in the end. The entire edifice will implode, the empire will fall, and the proverbial pinnacle with its finials will burn down to a cinder.

    The contradictions and inequities with its attendent polarisation between the elite and the rest will reach term, and it won’t be too long before we witness the labour pains that attend the birth of a new society.

  7. JB says:

    Launching an attack against the Khamer at PV Temple is an ill-conceived and poor way to drum up internal support for the Democrat Led coalition for a number of reasons.

    First, in any war there are unintended consequences. The generals in Argentina thought invading the Faulklands would be a walk in the park. Needless to say, the end result was their defeat at battle and shortly thereafter their control in of the Argentine state.

    Other examples include the US suttorted majahudeen in Afganistan who eventually became the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

    Along these lines, who is to say that the Khamer response to an attack at PV would not result in a counter attack at Hak Lek or Khong Yai?

    Then of course, there would be an internal reaction within Cambodia. Look at the provious riots against Thai Banks, the Thai Embassy, and other Thai interests in the past to get an idea of what would happen if the Democrat Party/PAD pursues the present course which has a military option according to Abhisit.

    Is 1.8 square miles of territority worth loosing all curent and future business interests within the Territority of Cambodia?

    Then there is also the international community which would look very unfavorably towards a Thai military incursion to the disputed (disputed only by the Thais) territority. The internationl community has already firmly and unequivocally stated that the Temple of PV belongs to Cambodia. Most observers would also believe that in order to maintain the World Heritage site, that Cambodia would have to build and maintain an administrative office and the residential compound of the personnel that would be necessary to clean, maintain, deal with customs, policing, and so on in the area immediately adjcent to the temple.

    Should such an incursion occur, what are the likely international consequences? Would they be worse than disregarding international pressure to resettle the Hmong? or forcing the boat people back out to sea in disabled boats? or using Snipers to clear out oppositon party protestors?

    Will Thais always be able to advance the argument that it does what it does because of Thai Exceptionalism and that those without Thai genes will never understand that what Thais do is ‘correct’ and if you don’t agree well then they will send a delegation junket off shopping to correct the impressions of Brussles, London, or Washington.

    Sadly this issue is over a piece of land that is completely unimportant to any national interests. There is no gold, no diamonds, no strategic pass, on important military use in PV.

    This is not true with say Arun, or Had Lek (both important trading routes).

    So why would irrational Thais risk damaging so much of value when there are so many other areas that Thais can exploit to their hearts content.

    The Thais could of couse cut the road to PV. The Cambodians wouldn’t care but the local Thais living near PV who are or were dependent on tourists visiting PV for their livelyhood. The Khamer will build access to PV from inside Cambodia.

    Perhaps they will erect a high fence and make the Thais go to PV using a regular border crossing.

    So how much more blood does Abhist/Padwant on their hands? Is the value of the position worth 5Thai deaths or 50 or 500. And how many Khamer deaths?

    What if they were your sons and daughters instead of conscripts from Isan?

    Will Abhist lead the charge? or just the rethoric?

  8. Ralph Kramden says:

    I notice that Martino Ray got two thumbs-up. I’m wondering then, if one of those voters can translate the post. As far as I can tell, there’s no other post by Martino Ray on this thread, so why can’t I understand the comments in the post? Any help greatly appreciated.

  9. plan B says:

    Charles F
    SPDC = The government in charge of Myanmar.
    Tamadaw = 400,000+ in uniform in service to SPDC faithfully as Tamadaw must.
    SPDC Ρ‚Π™Π° Tamadaw.
    The Pyin Oo Lwin cadets= Brain washed possible future SPDC members.
    Neither calling Tamadaw and SPDC pigs nor associating thier abhorrent activities as piggish are wise in light of the continuous denigration of an undesirable government by USA/West has failed even to budge the denigrated!
    This article in NM in spite of the author with sentiment akin to yours show:
    1)SPDC successful in filling their future ranks.
    2)That there are plenty who have no ideas other than aspirating to fill the shoes of SPDC.
    Both factors do not bode well for the future of Myanmar.
    The rest of the articles is quite inane.
    Calling evil, EVIL we must. However characterizing evil to a caricature constantly trivialized the wisdom/knavery of evil doers.
    SPDC is a tenaceous entity that thrive on being labeled evil at one moment and then dismissively denigrated as common thugs or pigs here at others.

    Playing the given hands in a loosing game must not entail useless caricature towards a winner.
    One must continue playing earnestly until reshuffle or whenever a chance to even the odds.

    Double downing every time “on behalf of the plight of Myanmar citizenry”.
    With the resources that USA/west possess it will just take one hand to get back what is lost .
    The question is has USA/west ever bet purely on behalf of the plight of Myanmar Citizenry.
    I think not.
    In fact absolutely not judge by this article by Beech!

  10. chris beale says:

    Excellent – many thanks to NM for posting this.
    Is it just my poor eyesight – or is the policeman in the first photo really wearing a complete shoe on one foot, but only half a shoe on the other !! ??

  11. Nganadeeleg says:

    Mungo #32 seems to have given the wrong link – the correct one is here:
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/ID27Ae01.html

  12. Polyphemus says:

    Eisel,
    Are you trying to tell us something??
    πŸ™‚

  13. Polyphemus says:

    Abhisit, like Kasit cuts his words to suit his cloth, what plays to the fahrang doesn’t play at home.
    Mark now needs to choose the lesser of two weevils. To lose face with the international community or lose face with the domestic one.
    I suspect international barami may be regained with time and shaky memories. He has way too many masters to satisfy at home.
    Strangely it appears most of the population don’t want a war or give a toss about a pile of stones in Isarn.
    It’s the lunatic fringe he’s pandering to, because they have all the influence. That’s the crazy thing about Amazin’ fin de siecle Thailand. And hold on to your hats because there’s plenty more crazy to come as the glue comes unstuck.
    I believe I have used up my “inappropriate metaphor” quota.
    My call? Definitely a “game” – lots of fun until someone gets hurt.
    Then again it was all smiles and laughs with Hun Sen a few weeks ago…

  14. Charles F says:

    There’s only so many times that the pie can be sliced. At some point, someone will be left out, and that’s when the trouble will begin.

    The Tatmadaw reminds me of pigs at a trough, pushing and shoving to get at the slop, and squealing when they feel they’re not getting their “fair” share.

  15. In Town says:

    Actually Superanonymous, I think Mungo Gubbins(#32) is worried that people will not take analysis from the Asia Times seriously because it is owned by Sondhi L, the leader of the PAD.

  16. Ralph Kramden says:

    Bangkok Pundit is re4ally a rabid left wing blog that should have been shut years ago – probably by McCarthy in the 1950s. I’m with you Tony. Screw the commies! They just don’t know when they are beat, so they lob up in Thailand and try to get a world revolution going from there. Remember that Russia was on the outer edges of the capitalist system back in 1917, so the commie rats in Thailand need to be taken ever so seriously and crushed. Thank goodness for Abhisit and his boys (who must know a bit about commies having been schooled with the rotters in the UK).

  17. LesAbbey says:

    Thanks Suzy. I guess I was correct about it not being the same 4th. International as Giles’s one then.

    A neo-Nazi analysis even. It does to take me back to my youth when the worst insults were always between Trotskyists of slightly different brands.

  18. albert park says:

    Tony is the apparently anti-communist posting at right-wing libertarian blogs in the U.S. Have a look at this as an example: http://www.infowars.com/thailands-thaksin-shinwatra-marxists-and-the-nwo/?_login=e7de832074/ Then Google the scribe’s name. Quite the odd perspective, but I’m sure the loony right and yellow-shirts might find it attractive. His talents might serve Kasit well.

  19. Suzie Wong says:

    Let me clarify a few points.

    1. Thailand has always been colonized in the form of β€œIndirect Rule,” that’s why she grows at a faster rate than her immediate neighboring countries e.g. Laos, Cambodia (Kampuchea), Vietnam, Burma (Myanmar). Yet the article asserts that Thailand has never been colonized. The European colonial legacy can be seen just everywhere: Dutch (Bangkok central train station, irrigation systems), English (the Rama V monument), French (the Constitution Monument), Italian (the Parliament Building). During the postwar period, the imprint of the United States is probably more than other countries especially during the Vietnam War: all the major dams and freeways. The Japanese’s investment is also prominent due to the Liberal Democrat Party’s strategic objectives in the Asia Pacific region. Hence, it’s misleading to ignore the factual evidences of the historical forces and the strategic force of the major powers rivalry within the Thai domestic politics.

    2. There is no class struggle analysis or proletarian Trotskyism in this article. In my opinion, this article focuses on placing the Thai crisis in perspective from the angle of power struggle between the Allies and the Axis from 1932 to present time 2010. The article intends to evaluate state of the affairs and trends in order to map strategy for future moves in this power game, while doing so, he also simultaneously discredits his political opponents: Thaksin and the Red Shirts. In short, it’s a neo-Nazi analysis misleading as the Fourth International.

    3. The central thesis of Rousset’s article is to evaluate the political project of how to make the Thai monarchy an absolute power in the heart of the mainland Southeast Asia. And interestingly, the Thai monarchy is currently de facto absolute power. Today, the palace’s policeman becomes the new Police Chief. Also, the new Army Chief comes from the Queen’s bodyguard unit.

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  20. superanonymous says:

    Mungo Gubbins(#32): Why don’t you explain what you mean when you say “Or perhaps they will just point their fingers in unison and scream PAAAAAAAD!” Spell it out. I figure you mean readers will point out that this is a fundamentally dishonest article because it doesn’t point out that Therdpoum was a senior PAD leader facing criminal charges. Is that it? You think you can preempt justifiable criticism that way? Stop playing silly games, and maybe people won’t be so critical of you.