Indeed the witch hunt is on, foreign and domestic.
According to Matichon May 26th, 2010, Police Major General Piya Utayo announced that, ” Mr. Koner David Purcell, age 30, former Australian soldier was arrested on charge that he gave a speech condemning the Thai government and the Thai military at Ratchaprasong.”
The Thai Police Officials are now gathering evidences to add “assassination attempt against Aphisit” charge as well.
from above “What next for the families of those who have been killed and injured in recent political violence?”
Recent reports indicate that they are to sue UDD and that the NHRC (National Human Rights Commission) is to help in these suits.
Was the cost, to loss of lives, the loss of a great mall, the scar in the psyche of the People of Bangkok and the Redshirt Masses from the provinces worth not having an election–something that must be done eventually (unless the current clique decides to go down the path of Burma-and the subsequent label of pariah state.
My suggestion, Apisit step down. Appoint a neutral third party to run a caretaker government for the brief time until a election can be held.
If you (Apisit) are convinced that you have the right answers to lead Thailand though this period, listen to the voice of the electors; if you are right the people will support you and if not, you lose but not the people.
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Many times I notice the amount of power the people have is proportional to how much the government needs to maintain its credibility.
A democracy can only exist if the people actually believe they have a voice… and most governments will go to great lengths to appear responsive.
Most of the reforms in recent history were made at a time when communism was a real threat, governments instituted reforms, social policies, to lure people back from the socialist camp.
In our current world political situation, there are no great threats to democracy, there is little reason for democratic governments to give any concessions to the people, and they have gone back to doing whats best for the elites that control them.
Oh. Just realised this Australian pro-red>pro-Thaksin ‘anu’ site rightly mentioned the election posters weren’t to do with ‘his royal highness Thaksin’, but infact another party. My mistake!!
All fatted & corrupt politicians look the same to me!
But in all seriousness, I think we’re all aware that most Thai political parties, perhaps with the exception of the ‘Democrat Party’ – are essentially private companies owned by their respective leading politicians, who pay from the top-down in order to recruit the necessary connections/influence of the ‘Kamnans’ (governing officials on the sub-district level) in order to win general elections. Obviously, the more money invested, the more parliamentary seats the cosigned party wins – thus, the better leverage it will have to form a ruling cabinet.
It would be a grave mistake to assume Thaksin’s landslide victory in 2001 was an exception to this ‘rule.’ Seems to me ‘populism’ is a cynically purchased affair.
Roger @ 20: You say the Basic Education Commission states its curriculum revision “will be ‘improvements’, so they admit brainwashing at schools has already taken place.”
Maybe they’re saying “not enough” brainwashing has taken place!
Mike,
what you report is absolutely disturbing and a step up in term of indoctrination and control. hopefully the act of some teachers and not a new phase. I would love to get to know more about the event, if you are willing please contact me at [email protected]
Hi Lee,
thanks for the strobe light warnings. I hope one day we can meet, and soon!!
I guess this isn’t a broad minded/democratic forum at all then. How sorry I am to offend!! ha ha!! PC Liberal fascism seems to reign supreme, so, within the context of this ‘climate’ – & in the interest ‘of self’ I better let it all ‘pass.’
I will say this though – given the horrendous amount of killing, the blood needlessly spilt & all in the name of a plutocrat (Thaksin), not to mention the innocent civilians & by-standers affected and unwittingly involved in this cynical & Machievelian conflict – is this really how far the debate has progressed?? Red light warnings not to post anymore in fear of being labelled a ‘nazi’ – of NOTE REBECCA – the German model!!! Not Italian fascist, but German nazi!!!
I now bow out of this forum and will continue living my life here in Thailand as I have done for the past 17 years and witness, yet again, the resilience of all of its people, from all classes (NOTE REBECCA, ‘CLASSES’ – MEANING PLURAL) after collective national disaster!! All the best.
In the last few days, Thai TV has aired a few bits on Apichatpong’s win at Cannes, all ending with some disingenious comments about how the long the film is, how it might be too difficult for Thai people to understand, how strange it is…
My friend is a teacher in high school (12-18 years old kid) and she told me that other teacher did the same thing as Mike said. I’m sure it’s a different school. What worse was that young PAD student beat up their friends when they disagreed and said that they are PAD and their parents are very powerful. I think it happened in early 2009 when she told me about all this.
Unreal, but it happens. Kid start to learn very young that if their parent are powerful then they can pretty much get away with any problem they made. And you will know if this person has a powerful parent or not when they said, “Do you know who my father is?”
I remain concerned that some readers continue to fret about the arson in Bangkok while apparently being ignorant of the context.
In March a Red Shirt leader in Issan gave a rousing speech to say something like:
1. Go out in groups of 3, overpower a soldier with a gun and take it away from him.
2. If the government goes on a killing spree against Red demonstrators burn Bangkok and your Sala Glang in the countryside.
So with regard to burning of Central properties etc one can only say som-nam-naa . The government knew what it was doing and had clearly not the slightest concern for the property destruction it was forewarned as inevitable. So why should you fret?
In Chiang Mai it has brought us a lovely week of quiet with not a sound from the deafening illegal discos thanks to the curfew.
So hearty thanks to the Red demonstrators and deepest sympathy to you all that it came to this.
It could be because the director spoke out against censorship in Thailand the day before winning the award. Or it could be because the film is based in Isaan, and therefore humanises people who the amaart would prefer to continue viewing as uneducated savages.
Also this reviewer points out
“In spite of constantly being tracked and chased by hunters, they grow in number towards the end of the film: they are part rumour, part multitude, utopian possibility. They symbolize – just as the Red Shirt protestors fight to keep aflame – an alternative vision of the present and of the future in that anxious nation. “
First there was a little fire that created a crisis atmosphere, grant emergency power to the leader. Then there was a separation of racial superiority. After that, all other political parties are declared illegal. And a certain population segment’s rights steadily decline.
The rest is history…
It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion.
~Joseph Paul Goebbels
Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death.
~(guess who)
Show respect to the elders, especially the teachers, Prof. etc. Those who are in high positions have reached these due to their karma, and the monrachy is the gurantor of Thai unity, welfare of the people etc. So, be thankful to those who provide all what is good!!
Such a mindset can hardly be changed within the current socio-cultural structure. A real change is needed in which the highest position within the state and nation is not defined by a genealogy, but by public consent. Instead of representing an anchestry, the highest should represent the people. This requires a president in the highest position. I doubt that a presidental system, in which the president has tremendous power, would be useful. Why not have a president as representative and a primeminister? It could be best, if the first president in such a representative function would come from the current dynasty. Thereby the old monarchic system would be connected to the new system. It woud allow as well a continuation to some degree of the old ideology. Due to Karma and good deeds, the old dynasty is so strong that they can stand an election and will receive endorsement by the people.
Just an idea
Surely even the anthropologists of New Mandala could not deny that Bangkok was devastated by terror attacks during Black May 2010 committed by the violent elements of the Red Shirts.
If there were terror attacks, then there must be terrorists, simple. And every government hunts down terrorists, not witches mind you, but cold-blooded murderous terrorists.
Now New Mandala would not claiming now that the Red Shirts were a bunch of angels , or would it?
Yes, SS #194, I am well aware of what Nick Nostitz has said about the blackshirts, & I have no argument with it. But, & I would be surprised if he would disagree with me, it appears that there may be other men dressed in black who may have other agendas & loyalties. I think there is a danger in assuming that there is great unity within any body of players in this crisis (Redshirts, Yellowshirts, police, military, government), and further, black dress is ideal clothing for covert operations at night, so we can’t assume that it is the ‘uniform’ of only one body of operatives; it could just as well be clothing adopted by snipers who wanted to be able to slip easily from shadow to shadow, as well as the uniform of Seh Daeng’s group.
Enemies, foreign and domestic
Indeed the witch hunt is on, foreign and domestic.
According to Matichon May 26th, 2010, Police Major General Piya Utayo announced that, ” Mr. Koner David Purcell, age 30, former Australian soldier was arrested on charge that he gave a speech condemning the Thai government and the Thai military at Ratchaprasong.”
The Thai Police Officials are now gathering evidences to add “assassination attempt against Aphisit” charge as well.
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What next for Thailand?
from above “What next for the families of those who have been killed and injured in recent political violence?”
Recent reports indicate that they are to sue UDD and that the NHRC (National Human Rights Commission) is to help in these suits.
Was the cost, to loss of lives, the loss of a great mall, the scar in the psyche of the People of Bangkok and the Redshirt Masses from the provinces worth not having an election–something that must be done eventually (unless the current clique decides to go down the path of Burma-and the subsequent label of pariah state.
My suggestion, Apisit step down. Appoint a neutral third party to run a caretaker government for the brief time until a election can be held.
If you (Apisit) are convinced that you have the right answers to lead Thailand though this period, listen to the voice of the electors; if you are right the people will support you and if not, you lose but not the people.
The king and facebook
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Thai style democracy?
-Tarrin
Many times I notice the amount of power the people have is proportional to how much the government needs to maintain its credibility.
A democracy can only exist if the people actually believe they have a voice… and most governments will go to great lengths to appear responsive.
Most of the reforms in recent history were made at a time when communism was a real threat, governments instituted reforms, social policies, to lure people back from the socialist camp.
In our current world political situation, there are no great threats to democracy, there is little reason for democratic governments to give any concessions to the people, and they have gone back to doing whats best for the elites that control them.
On Bhumibolists and Royalists
Peter @22: Kevin Hewison has two reviews of Handley’s book:
http://www.ufv.ca/jhb/Volume_4/Volume_4_Hewison.pdf
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all?content=10.1080/00472330701652026
Nick Nostitz in the killing zone
Oh. Just realised this Australian pro-red>pro-Thaksin ‘anu’ site rightly mentioned the election posters weren’t to do with ‘his royal highness Thaksin’, but infact another party. My mistake!!
All fatted & corrupt politicians look the same to me!
But in all seriousness, I think we’re all aware that most Thai political parties, perhaps with the exception of the ‘Democrat Party’ – are essentially private companies owned by their respective leading politicians, who pay from the top-down in order to recruit the necessary connections/influence of the ‘Kamnans’ (governing officials on the sub-district level) in order to win general elections. Obviously, the more money invested, the more parliamentary seats the cosigned party wins – thus, the better leverage it will have to form a ruling cabinet.
It would be a grave mistake to assume Thaksin’s landslide victory in 2001 was an exception to this ‘rule.’ Seems to me ‘populism’ is a cynically purchased affair.
Enemies, foreign and domestic
Roger @ 20: You say the Basic Education Commission states its curriculum revision “will be ‘improvements’, so they admit brainwashing at schools has already taken place.”
Maybe they’re saying “not enough” brainwashing has taken place!
Enemies, foreign and domestic
Mike,
what you report is absolutely disturbing and a step up in term of indoctrination and control. hopefully the act of some teachers and not a new phase. I would love to get to know more about the event, if you are willing please contact me at [email protected]
thanks
Nick Nostitz in the killing zone
Hi Lee,
thanks for the strobe light warnings. I hope one day we can meet, and soon!!
I guess this isn’t a broad minded/democratic forum at all then. How sorry I am to offend!! ha ha!! PC Liberal fascism seems to reign supreme, so, within the context of this ‘climate’ – & in the interest ‘of self’ I better let it all ‘pass.’
I will say this though – given the horrendous amount of killing, the blood needlessly spilt & all in the name of a plutocrat (Thaksin), not to mention the innocent civilians & by-standers affected and unwittingly involved in this cynical & Machievelian conflict – is this really how far the debate has progressed?? Red light warnings not to post anymore in fear of being labelled a ‘nazi’ – of NOTE REBECCA – the German model!!! Not Italian fascist, but German nazi!!!
I now bow out of this forum and will continue living my life here in Thailand as I have done for the past 17 years and witness, yet again, the resilience of all of its people, from all classes (NOTE REBECCA, ‘CLASSES’ – MEANING PLURAL) after collective national disaster!! All the best.
Chula academics call for “return of justice and academic freedom”
Michael,
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Apichatpong-Weerasethakul/19459319898?ref=ts
In the last few days, Thai TV has aired a few bits on Apichatpong’s win at Cannes, all ending with some disingenious comments about how the long the film is, how it might be too difficult for Thai people to understand, how strange it is…
Ignore this rubbish. Go and see it.
Enemies, foreign and domestic
The link to this article is being blocked in Thailand.
Enemies, foreign and domestic
My friend is a teacher in high school (12-18 years old kid) and she told me that other teacher did the same thing as Mike said. I’m sure it’s a different school. What worse was that young PAD student beat up their friends when they disagreed and said that they are PAD and their parents are very powerful. I think it happened in early 2009 when she told me about all this.
Unreal, but it happens. Kid start to learn very young that if their parent are powerful then they can pretty much get away with any problem they made. And you will know if this person has a powerful parent or not when they said, “Do you know who my father is?”
Yeah, short memory kid, hah?
Enemies, foreign and domestic
Michael and others,
Read this:
Niels Mulder, Thai Images – The Culture of the Public World, (Chiang Mai, Silkworm Books, 1997)
The same old story, the same old rubbish, the same bleak picture.
(Would someone please post the url, so I can look at the article)
Thanks,
John
Enemies, foreign and domestic
I remain concerned that some readers continue to fret about the arson in Bangkok while apparently being ignorant of the context.
In March a Red Shirt leader in Issan gave a rousing speech to say something like:
1. Go out in groups of 3, overpower a soldier with a gun and take it away from him.
2. If the government goes on a killing spree against Red demonstrators burn Bangkok and your Sala Glang in the countryside.
So with regard to burning of Central properties etc one can only say som-nam-naa . The government knew what it was doing and had clearly not the slightest concern for the property destruction it was forewarned as inevitable. So why should you fret?
In Chiang Mai it has brought us a lovely week of quiet with not a sound from the deafening illegal discos thanks to the curfew.
So hearty thanks to the Red demonstrators and deepest sympathy to you all that it came to this.
What next for Thailand?
What’s next for Thailand’s role in the Climate Catastrophe debate and the IPCC ? …. asked this on 22nd and got thumbs down.
Could some contributors kindly say why?
Chula academics call for “return of justice and academic freedom”
@Nuomi:
It could be because the director spoke out against censorship in Thailand the day before winning the award. Or it could be because the film is based in Isaan, and therefore humanises people who the amaart would prefer to continue viewing as uneducated savages.
Also this reviewer points out
“In spite of constantly being tracked and chased by hunters, they grow in number towards the end of the film: they are part rumour, part multitude, utopian possibility. They symbolize – just as the Red Shirt protestors fight to keep aflame – an alternative vision of the present and of the future in that anxious nation. “
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/cannes-film-festival/7750613/Cannes-Film-Festival-2010-Uncle-Boonmee-Who-Can-Recall-His-Past-Lives-review.html
Enemies, foreign and domestic
First there was a little fire that created a crisis atmosphere, grant emergency power to the leader. Then there was a separation of racial superiority. After that, all other political parties are declared illegal. And a certain population segment’s rights steadily decline.
The rest is history…
It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion.
~Joseph Paul Goebbels
Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death.
~(guess who)
Enemies, foreign and domestic
Show respect to the elders, especially the teachers, Prof. etc. Those who are in high positions have reached these due to their karma, and the monrachy is the gurantor of Thai unity, welfare of the people etc. So, be thankful to those who provide all what is good!!
Such a mindset can hardly be changed within the current socio-cultural structure. A real change is needed in which the highest position within the state and nation is not defined by a genealogy, but by public consent. Instead of representing an anchestry, the highest should represent the people. This requires a president in the highest position. I doubt that a presidental system, in which the president has tremendous power, would be useful. Why not have a president as representative and a primeminister? It could be best, if the first president in such a representative function would come from the current dynasty. Thereby the old monarchic system would be connected to the new system. It woud allow as well a continuation to some degree of the old ideology. Due to Karma and good deeds, the old dynasty is so strong that they can stand an election and will receive endorsement by the people.
Just an idea
Enemies, foreign and domestic
Surely even the anthropologists of New Mandala could not deny that Bangkok was devastated by terror attacks during Black May 2010 committed by the violent elements of the Red Shirts.
If there were terror attacks, then there must be terrorists, simple. And every government hunts down terrorists, not witches mind you, but cold-blooded murderous terrorists.
Now New Mandala would not claiming now that the Red Shirts were a bunch of angels , or would it?
Nick Nostitz in the killing zone
Yes, SS #194, I am well aware of what Nick Nostitz has said about the blackshirts, & I have no argument with it. But, & I would be surprised if he would disagree with me, it appears that there may be other men dressed in black who may have other agendas & loyalties. I think there is a danger in assuming that there is great unity within any body of players in this crisis (Redshirts, Yellowshirts, police, military, government), and further, black dress is ideal clothing for covert operations at night, so we can’t assume that it is the ‘uniform’ of only one body of operatives; it could just as well be clothing adopted by snipers who wanted to be able to slip easily from shadow to shadow, as well as the uniform of Seh Daeng’s group.