Ralph, those quotes are not from me, ASTV or the Nation. They are from a red insider.
I kept my own comments to a minimum, only rearranging the order and adding emphasis to create more or less coherent narrative. I don’t think I undermined their original meaning in any significant way.
Shooting continues this morning on Rajaprarop between Rangnam and Ding Daeng intersection. At least two are dead across the street- blood trails can be seen from them. People who are trying to crawl over to help are being shot at.
The sticking point for the red shirt leaders with the government’s road map was on whether they would get bail once arrested. Some like Veera were not prepared to have lives lost on pure self-interest of the leaders and left the protest site. Now start adding up the deaths and damage done, all to keep less than couple of dozen men out of prison. Are they worth it? They certainly can’t be called very brave can they?
The army hasn’t even approached the red camp area let alone tried to breach the barricades.
Reds are not defending themselves, they are attacking the advancing army, well outside their own perimeter.
Dudes who trow molotov cocktails or fire home made rockets at the soldiers should expect being shot back.
Soldiers are allowed to use live ammo after they’ve tried rubber bullets and shot live rounds in the air. Of course they can cheat because no one can ever prove they didn’t but the attacking reds should be aware of that, too.
After April 10 the army also announced a new rule – no hand to hand combat, anyone approaching closer than 30m will be shot, following the same rubber-air-live sequence. They didn’t reiterate it in yesterday’s announcement but from all the reports it’s clear the army still follows it – they never came in close contact with reds anymore.
Despite emotional outrage here, the army appears to follow the approved rules of engagement. The government called them “international standard” and no one contested them so far.
Personally, I find it disgusting red shirts taunting, challenging and provoking the soldiers and then screaming their “knock out” punch – army shoots people! army shoots people!
Some motorcyclists deliberately drove close to the army line, one guy even took his pants off.
I wouldn’t blame some pissed off soldier if he decided to shoot him in the balls. The war is ugly, guys with guns are not always rational.
Those might have been isolated incidents and reds generally engage soldiers in straight shootouts without any extra taunting, but those are still SHOOTOUTS, even if their weapons are homemade.
Malee Lang #101: Before I submit my vote, would you care to comment on the elephant in the room?
(as an expat, a Thai with excellent english, you might even be able to push a few boundaries and offer us some real insights – although maybe better to use a non de plume, just in case – make it cryptic enough so the thought police won’t know its you, but try to give me a few clues so I can tell it’s you)
Remember red-shirt protesters shot during the Songkran demonstrations in April last year? Recall the expose later in the year when Abhisit was found to have ordered the killing of demonstrators in a secretly taped audiotape at the army barracks where he had been directing events in his bunker? Fiction many cried, even though it was clearly Abhisit’s voice. The biased Thai media killed that one quickly with counterclaims of it being a fake. Now perhaps folks will realize the element of truth behind this expose. The current action on the street and Abhisit’s orders through CRES and other pro-fascist (Thai falangist) interests are not ambiguous. Let’s hope all skeptics last few years will start to see the truth.
After reading through people’s comments, reports, and notes about the current conflict in Bangkok, I have come to the conclusion that the quality/not quality rating system cheapens serious issues (for example, is a grammatically incorrect eye-witness report quality or not quality?). Also, the hiding of “not-quality” comments seems to encourage unhelpful and not thoughtful participation, draw more than usual attention to this participation, and distract me as I browse. If this system were to remain in place, I would also agree with Ratergater about the green check.
Tim Johnston’s article is not fair to the protesters.
Of course,The Redshirts are not Khandhi’s way of peaceful, sit down and let officers take them down or even shoot them!. Most of them are unarmed and some of them want to protect their base using homemade weapons to stop the military, these weapons are practically nothing compare to MP5 M16 rifles machine gun that military fired into protester.
Why Abhisit want to fight these people which want him to just dissolve the parliament and let people decide again.
Or it’s just one time thing for him!!!
Ike stay indoors and keepya head down man! Australia won the cricket and i had a clean run back from the office bar to home, round rama 3. I’m sure the death count from the past 24 hours will be up there with 92. The fact that the aus embassy has been under seige is a result of a red offensive move. Has anybody seen reds down satorn this month?Having a servo next door is the no1 reason why they have been tryin to relocate since 2001.( The roof is flat for a reason too!) Peter no8 came out with the seh dang eyewitness report ,30 people say yeah! 17 mi di. Portman no 12 says this is crap 33 people say yeah, 2 say midi! how many people voted for both posts?? we will never know whats goin on but in the clear light of morn hopefully enough blood has been shed do finish it all! oct 73/76, may 92 sad but true but the head count counts.. Funny how Taksin is now talkin some weird sociopathitic form of, do everything i want and make peace! Love you Marajtp 26 for seeing through the fog!! Some westerners thought the khmer rouge were good until april 75 too..
Tim Johnston of the Financial Times made this conclusion about Friday’s violent incidents:
“Friday was not the most violent day of the nine-week protest — that was April 10, when 25 people, including 19 protesters, five soldiers and a cameraman, were killed — but it marked a troubling low point. At best, the violence showed that the protesters’ claims to be a peaceful movement were seriously flawed. At worst, it suggested that the movement has been hijacked by militants who believe that their road to victory lies through chaos.”
Source said it’s quite clear about the shooter to Sae-Dang. The guy is the army Private. Source even mentioned the name. However, this needs double check. The shooter is now hiding at Army Communication Division, it sounds to me there would be some revenge.
– 10 people dead (one woman), and dozens injured for tonight (14 may) clashes. One dead is a medics from Wachira Hospital who tried to help injured protesters. He was shot by army and rescued by redshirt. See extreme picture here
Column Graham#78- who shot him? who has the weapons especially sophisticated sniper rifles? Not even Saedaeng carried arms with him. Nor Por Chor has only fireworks and pointed sticks
– Earlier (midnight) At Din Daeng area, (near Century Hotel), protesters set fire along the road. Some smashed glass windows of Bangkok Bank. Police officers just watched. Scattering gunfire heard, huge explosion guess it’s M79 from unknown side. Local witness said 5 dead, all protesters. Only 3 were pulled out. The soldiers shot any body entering their area.
That, source said, because there are not so many soldiers there.
– At Rajprasong stage, situation is calm, Jutuphon, Nuttawut made some talk encouraging the protesters. All entrances are blocked. Many red shirts can’t reach the camp at Rajprasong, so they are roaming around the city with cautious (in small group). Message sent asking those outside to gather at Puea Thai Party building located on Rama IV to break in.
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Ralph, those quotes are not from me, ASTV or the Nation. They are from a red insider.
I kept my own comments to a minimum, only rearranging the order and adding emphasis to create more or less coherent narrative. I don’t think I undermined their original meaning in any significant way.
Don’t like it? Send a postcard to Rajprasong.
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
16 dead , no soldiers among them .
Who is shooting who Stan G ?
You are a disgrace to the whole local farang community
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StanG – 55
Yes of cause the soldiers were not trying to breach the red’s defense, they simply firing their gun into the barricade.
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
The underwear protester:
http://www.daylife.com/photo/03uOehwdoPccG
Look at his face and his f-signs. What did he expect in return?
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
Shooting continues this morning on Rajaprarop between Rangnam and Ding Daeng intersection. At least two are dead across the street- blood trails can be seen from them. People who are trying to crawl over to help are being shot at.
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
The sticking point for the red shirt leaders with the government’s road map was on whether they would get bail once arrested. Some like Veera were not prepared to have lives lost on pure self-interest of the leaders and left the protest site. Now start adding up the deaths and damage done, all to keep less than couple of dozen men out of prison. Are they worth it? They certainly can’t be called very brave can they?
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
The army hasn’t even approached the red camp area let alone tried to breach the barricades.
Reds are not defending themselves, they are attacking the advancing army, well outside their own perimeter.
Dudes who trow molotov cocktails or fire home made rockets at the soldiers should expect being shot back.
Soldiers are allowed to use live ammo after they’ve tried rubber bullets and shot live rounds in the air. Of course they can cheat because no one can ever prove they didn’t but the attacking reds should be aware of that, too.
After April 10 the army also announced a new rule – no hand to hand combat, anyone approaching closer than 30m will be shot, following the same rubber-air-live sequence. They didn’t reiterate it in yesterday’s announcement but from all the reports it’s clear the army still follows it – they never came in close contact with reds anymore.
Despite emotional outrage here, the army appears to follow the approved rules of engagement. The government called them “international standard” and no one contested them so far.
Personally, I find it disgusting red shirts taunting, challenging and provoking the soldiers and then screaming their “knock out” punch – army shoots people! army shoots people!
Some motorcyclists deliberately drove close to the army line, one guy even took his pants off.
I wouldn’t blame some pissed off soldier if he decided to shoot him in the balls. The war is ugly, guys with guns are not always rational.
Those might have been isolated incidents and reds generally engage soldiers in straight shootouts without any extra taunting, but those are still SHOOTOUTS, even if their weapons are homemade.
Thongchai Winichakul on the Red “germs”
Malee Lang #101: Before I submit my vote, would you care to comment on the elephant in the room?
(as an expat, a Thai with excellent english, you might even be able to push a few boundaries and offer us some real insights – although maybe better to use a non de plume, just in case – make it cryptic enough so the thought police won’t know its you, but try to give me a few clues so I can tell it’s you)
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
Remember red-shirt protesters shot during the Songkran demonstrations in April last year? Recall the expose later in the year when Abhisit was found to have ordered the killing of demonstrators in a secretly taped audiotape at the army barracks where he had been directing events in his bunker? Fiction many cried, even though it was clearly Abhisit’s voice. The biased Thai media killed that one quickly with counterclaims of it being a fake. Now perhaps folks will realize the element of truth behind this expose. The current action on the street and Abhisit’s orders through CRES and other pro-fascist (Thai falangist) interests are not ambiguous. Let’s hope all skeptics last few years will start to see the truth.
Rating comments
After reading through people’s comments, reports, and notes about the current conflict in Bangkok, I have come to the conclusion that the quality/not quality rating system cheapens serious issues (for example, is a grammatically incorrect eye-witness report quality or not quality?). Also, the hiding of “not-quality” comments seems to encourage unhelpful and not thoughtful participation, draw more than usual attention to this participation, and distract me as I browse. If this system were to remain in place, I would also agree with Ratergater about the green check.
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
Perhaps this is the dangerous new phase?
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-sjc1/hs542.snc3/29720_117273181645638_100000888708683_95940_5585725_n.jpg
o_O Protestors stripping down is indeed a worrying prospect.
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
Meanwhile, Thailand wins a seat on the Human Rights Council
http://bangkokpost.com/news/local/37337/thailand-wins-human-rights-council-seat
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
Tim Johnston’s article is not fair to the protesters.
Of course,The Redshirts are not Khandhi’s way of peaceful, sit down and let officers take them down or even shoot them!. Most of them are unarmed and some of them want to protect their base using homemade weapons to stop the military, these weapons are practically nothing compare to MP5 M16 rifles machine gun that military fired into protester.
Why Abhisit want to fight these people which want him to just dissolve the parliament and let people decide again.
Or it’s just one time thing for him!!!
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
Ike stay indoors and keepya head down man! Australia won the cricket and i had a clean run back from the office bar to home, round rama 3. I’m sure the death count from the past 24 hours will be up there with 92. The fact that the aus embassy has been under seige is a result of a red offensive move. Has anybody seen reds down satorn this month?Having a servo next door is the no1 reason why they have been tryin to relocate since 2001.( The roof is flat for a reason too!) Peter no8 came out with the seh dang eyewitness report ,30 people say yeah! 17 mi di. Portman no 12 says this is crap 33 people say yeah, 2 say midi! how many people voted for both posts?? we will never know whats goin on but in the clear light of morn hopefully enough blood has been shed do finish it all! oct 73/76, may 92 sad but true but the head count counts.. Funny how Taksin is now talkin some weird sociopathitic form of, do everything i want and make peace! Love you Marajtp 26 for seeing through the fog!! Some westerners thought the khmer rouge were good until april 75 too..
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
Tim Johnston of the Financial Times made this conclusion about Friday’s violent incidents:
“Friday was not the most violent day of the nine-week protest — that was April 10, when 25 people, including 19 protesters, five soldiers and a cameraman, were killed — but it marked a troubling low point. At best, the violence showed that the protesters’ claims to be a peaceful movement were seriously flawed. At worst, it suggested that the movement has been hijacked by militants who believe that their road to victory lies through chaos.”
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Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
Dailynews newspaper reports a ten years old boy got shot at his stomach, badly injured.
See picture
http://www.dailynews.co.th/newstartpage/index.cfm?page=content&categoryId=627&contentId=65910
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
Update:
Source said it’s quite clear about the shooter to Sae-Dang. The guy is the army Private. Source even mentioned the name. However, this needs double check. The shooter is now hiding at Army Communication Division, it sounds to me there would be some revenge.
– 10 people dead (one woman), and dozens injured for tonight (14 may) clashes. One dead is a medics from Wachira Hospital who tried to help injured protesters. He was shot by army and rescued by redshirt. See extreme picture here
http://www.pantip.com/cafe/rajdumnern/topic/P9253830/P9253830.html
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Column Graham#78- who shot him? who has the weapons especially sophisticated sniper rifles? Not even Saedaeng carried arms with him. Nor Por Chor has only fireworks and pointed sticks
Bangkok: A dangerous new phase
Update:
At 2:48 am local time,
– Earlier (midnight) At Din Daeng area, (near Century Hotel), protesters set fire along the road. Some smashed glass windows of Bangkok Bank. Police officers just watched. Scattering gunfire heard, huge explosion guess it’s M79 from unknown side. Local witness said 5 dead, all protesters. Only 3 were pulled out. The soldiers shot any body entering their area.
That, source said, because there are not so many soldiers there.
– At Rajprasong stage, situation is calm, Jutuphon, Nuttawut made some talk encouraging the protesters. All entrances are blocked. Many red shirts can’t reach the camp at Rajprasong, so they are roaming around the city with cautious (in small group). Message sent asking those outside to gather at Puea Thai Party building located on Rama IV to break in.
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