A foreigner may succeed in learning English through her/his own effort, not just by following the crowd. I hope Burmese students are unlike Thai students in not just claiming they want English and yet not putting earnest effort into their learning it. Most Thai students illustrate how to learn English without succeeding, native-speaker taught or not.
The details in Prachatai’s report indicate that the PAD leadership seem to be advocating violence, as well as a fanatical nationalism, and the demonization of Cambodian people. I hope that the low-key feeling that Ajarn Somsak picked up, & his statement that they broke up early, indicate they are getting tired of the irrational fanaticism of their leaders.
this article by jakrapob is quite similar to mccargo’s ‘network monarchy’ both in form and substance. one has to live thailand and interact with its bureaucracy of C-9 level up, state enterprise technocrats, police and army figures to truely feel what he is stating. while impossible to prove one can feel ‘the state within a state’ quite strong as it is pervasive throughout. cheers to jakrapob for his extremely insightful perspective into thai political society.
“I just wish the reds would evolve past the need for Thaksin at all. I think he degrades their message, and slows their progress.”
Or I could say I wish New Mandala folks evolve past the need for red shirts, as red shirts degrade their message, whatever it is.
Calls for decoupling reds and Thaksin have been going for years but the ties are only getting stronger. From Nick’s report I gather they are working on creating emotional attachment to the brand now, apparently their political platform has lost its attraction.
PAD’s resurrection on Cambodian issue isn’t going to last either.
I walked past Siam BTS on my way back to my apartment after I became tired of the PAD rally and was impeded by this ridiculousness.
Speaking of opiates, I’m pretty sure they were blocking an ambulance (if Thai ambulances are mini vans with blue flashing lights w. siren??). Hope the ambulance had enough morphine. I’m sure Jesus would have saved his dearest.
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FGA (C38). Interesting indeed. If you ever mix with people from usually an older generation and often but not always a wealthier background you hear values like these mentioned quite a bit. And we mustnt forget that elders are never wrong;) You hear it from the younger generations a lot lot less whatever background and family they come from. Those that hold these values will probably not like the Thailand they see develop over the next few generations but then again most who mention these values now will not be around in a few generations. It is a bit like Canute and the sea
Robert Dayley is confusing two things. The sex workers on Soi Twilight are grown ups who have chosen to do the work they do. They are mostly in their mid twenties and quite capable of making their own decisions without interference from moralizing do-gooders..
Often their only alternative is to do tedious and poorly paid factory work, 12 hours a day, six days a week. What do these sex workers have to do with child exploitation?
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It is always difficult to guess numbers. A lot of people stayed around the cars parked, and also many were mingling with the people in the market surrounding Sanam Luang. I did confirm this number also with knowledgeable people i trust.
Of course, when compared to 6 Tula era, which i have only read about, (i was during that time in primary school in Germany ๐ ), the hatred could have been a lot more. Nevertheless, for me some some of what was said, especially by Gen. Preecha, was very strong.
And yes, you are right, there were less prominent supporters than previous, especially when compared to the pre-coup PAD.
An interesting observation i have made, and this has not been the first time, is that while Thaksin still seems to be their main enemy, the Red Shirts though seemed to have found some acceptance under many of the hardcore PAD members. Not that they like the Red Shirts in any way, or would not go to battle with them again, but compared to last year, many have accepted the fact that Red Shirts do have a political ideology, and are not just a rent-a-mob. When talking with some of the Nac Lop Srivichai, i have had some very reasonable discussions about the Red Shirts and the political situation in general.
This somewhat changed attitude makes my life covering these events a lot easier as well. I hate to hide my views when i talk with people, and it was accepted without any animosity when i said that i do like the fact that simple people increasingly care about their country is governed, and that there are logical reasons why they choose to join the Red Shirts. Last year, such comments gave me a lot of grief.
I guess the blast somewhat contributed to the earlier end of the rally. many people have left as soon as the blast occurred. The blast was heard even at the opposite side of Sanam Luang.
Most of local news estimate PAD gathering in the number of thousands less than 10,000. I think PAD is dead, no future, because majority of Thais are against PAD.
According to the ThaiEnews report, all of the powerful Thai political organizations are against PAD. The influential national university political organization, the labor union, civil society, university students and people for democracy, joined hands against PAD rally. They condemned PAD rally as crazy nationalism using nation and monarchy slogan as the instrument to destroy political enemy, create conflicts with neighboring countries. They demand the parliament dissolution, constitutional reform, and building fair and justice in politics, society, economy, and support of welfare state.
Furthermore, the minute Sonthi Limthongkul gave his speech, M79 was fired toward him! This reflects the military also against Sonthi and PAD.
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Religion is the opiate of the masses
Who is the King of Kings? Clue: not someone from Thailand! All are equal under God
Saturday red, Sunday yellow: the temperature rises again
“Srithanonchai”:
Don’t you start as well – the wife gave me enough grief over those photos already! ๐
Scum of the earth
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Saturday red, Sunday yellow: the temperature rises again
Nick:
Clearly, you were impressed by the “red” girls!
Massive teaching
A foreigner may succeed in learning English through her/his own effort, not just by following the crowd. I hope Burmese students are unlike Thai students in not just claiming they want English and yet not putting earnest effort into their learning it. Most Thai students illustrate how to learn English without succeeding, native-speaker taught or not.
Religion is the opiate of the masses
There is regular royal “opium” for the Thai masses. People devour it without realizing it is bad for health. They are all incorrigible addicts.
Saturday red, Sunday yellow: the temperature rises again
“michael”:
The Prachathai article is excellent. I saved it already to quote from at a later time.
Saturday red, Sunday yellow: the temperature rises again
Thanks, Nick, for another good article with splendid photos. There’s also a report on the Yellow rally in Prachatai.
“Fierce PAD nationalism on stage” http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/1495
The details in Prachatai’s report indicate that the PAD leadership seem to be advocating violence, as well as a fanatical nationalism, and the demonization of Cambodian people. I hope that the low-key feeling that Ajarn Somsak picked up, & his statement that they broke up early, indicate they are getting tired of the irrational fanaticism of their leaders.
Readers may also be interested in a PAD curiosity, read by Pipop Thongchai, entitled, ” The Thai Peopleโs Declaration to the World ”
http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9520000138041 (in English), which could be indicative of paranoid delusions.
Jakrapob on the state within the state
this article by jakrapob is quite similar to mccargo’s ‘network monarchy’ both in form and substance. one has to live thailand and interact with its bureaucracy of C-9 level up, state enterprise technocrats, police and army figures to truely feel what he is stating. while impossible to prove one can feel ‘the state within a state’ quite strong as it is pervasive throughout. cheers to jakrapob for his extremely insightful perspective into thai political society.
Saturday red, Sunday yellow: the temperature rises again
“I just wish the reds would evolve past the need for Thaksin at all. I think he degrades their message, and slows their progress.”
Or I could say I wish New Mandala folks evolve past the need for red shirts, as red shirts degrade their message, whatever it is.
Calls for decoupling reds and Thaksin have been going for years but the ties are only getting stronger. From Nick’s report I gather they are working on creating emotional attachment to the brand now, apparently their political platform has lost its attraction.
PAD’s resurrection on Cambodian issue isn’t going to last either.
Religion is the opiate of the masses
I walked past Siam BTS on my way back to my apartment after I became tired of the PAD rally and was impeded by this ridiculousness.
Speaking of opiates, I’m pretty sure they were blocking an ambulance (if Thai ambulances are mini vans with blue flashing lights w. siren??). Hope the ambulance had enough morphine. I’m sure Jesus would have saved his dearest.
Saturday red, Sunday yellow: the temperature rises again
[…] the blogworld …………… Saturday red, Sunday yellow: the temperature rises again November 16th, 2009 by Nick Nostitz asiapacific.anu.edu.au Nick goes for 50 to 60 thousand Reds […]
Religion is the opiate of the masses
Guess they could not find any other flags in the local flag shops! Don’t think too much, of course they bring out whatever they have got…
Saturday red, Sunday yellow: the temperature rises again
Did I hear right that the guy who composed that famous candle song for Sondhi is now a Red Shirt? And was it not because of money?
Jakrapob on the state within the state
FGA (C38). Interesting indeed. If you ever mix with people from usually an older generation and often but not always a wealthier background you hear values like these mentioned quite a bit. And we mustnt forget that elders are never wrong;) You hear it from the younger generations a lot lot less whatever background and family they come from. Those that hold these values will probably not like the Thailand they see develop over the next few generations but then again most who mention these values now will not be around in a few generations. It is a bit like Canute and the sea
Jakrapob on the state within the state
Quite an interesting set of objectives on http://www.generalprem.com/foundation.html
Note that conformity, obedience, loyalty, sacrifice and even two that generally don’t exist here, truth and honesty, are included.
Sounds like indoctrination and dogma to me, but who am I?
Sex workers speak out on Mitterand
Robert Dayley is confusing two things. The sex workers on Soi Twilight are grown ups who have chosen to do the work they do. They are mostly in their mid twenties and quite capable of making their own decisions without interference from moralizing do-gooders..
Often their only alternative is to do tedious and poorly paid factory work, 12 hours a day, six days a week. What do these sex workers have to do with child exploitation?
Saturday red, Sunday yellow: the temperature rises again
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Saturday red, Sunday yellow: the temperature rises again
“Somsak Jeamteerasakul”:
It is always difficult to guess numbers. A lot of people stayed around the cars parked, and also many were mingling with the people in the market surrounding Sanam Luang. I did confirm this number also with knowledgeable people i trust.
Of course, when compared to 6 Tula era, which i have only read about, (i was during that time in primary school in Germany ๐ ), the hatred could have been a lot more. Nevertheless, for me some some of what was said, especially by Gen. Preecha, was very strong.
And yes, you are right, there were less prominent supporters than previous, especially when compared to the pre-coup PAD.
An interesting observation i have made, and this has not been the first time, is that while Thaksin still seems to be their main enemy, the Red Shirts though seemed to have found some acceptance under many of the hardcore PAD members. Not that they like the Red Shirts in any way, or would not go to battle with them again, but compared to last year, many have accepted the fact that Red Shirts do have a political ideology, and are not just a rent-a-mob. When talking with some of the Nac Lop Srivichai, i have had some very reasonable discussions about the Red Shirts and the political situation in general.
This somewhat changed attitude makes my life covering these events a lot easier as well. I hate to hide my views when i talk with people, and it was accepted without any animosity when i said that i do like the fact that simple people increasingly care about their country is governed, and that there are logical reasons why they choose to join the Red Shirts. Last year, such comments gave me a lot of grief.
I guess the blast somewhat contributed to the earlier end of the rally. many people have left as soon as the blast occurred. The blast was heard even at the opposite side of Sanam Luang.
Saturday red, Sunday yellow: the temperature rises again
Most of local news estimate PAD gathering in the number of thousands less than 10,000. I think PAD is dead, no future, because majority of Thais are against PAD.
According to the ThaiEnews report, all of the powerful Thai political organizations are against PAD. The influential national university political organization, the labor union, civil society, university students and people for democracy, joined hands against PAD rally. They condemned PAD rally as crazy nationalism using nation and monarchy slogan as the instrument to destroy political enemy, create conflicts with neighboring countries. They demand the parliament dissolution, constitutional reform, and building fair and justice in politics, society, economy, and support of welfare state.
Furthermore, the minute Sonthi Limthongkul gave his speech, M79 was fired toward him! This reflects the military also against Sonthi and PAD.
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ัโะฝัโะัโะัโฃะัโะัโะณัโะฉัโโัโะ ัโะธัโโขัโะัโะนัโโัโะงัโโัโฃะัโะทัโะซัโะณัโโัโฃะัโะงัโะธ ัโะฉัโโัโฃะัโะคัโะฒัโะบัโะปัโะฎัโโัโะฉัโะจัโฃะัโะฉัโโคัโะบัโโคัโะฅัโะฉัโโัโะัโะธัโโขัโะัโะนัโโัโฃะัโะปัโฃะัโะัโะซัโะณัโโัโฃะัโะงัโะธัโฃะัโะงัโะฒ ัโะฝัโะัโะัโฃะัโะัโะณัโะบัโะปัโะฐัโโัโะฎัโฃะัโะณัโะัโะัโโัโะฉ ัโะฝัโะัโะัโฃะัโะัโะณัโะฐัโโัโะัโะซัโะณัโโัโะัโโัโะัโะฉ ัโะฉัโโคัโะบัโโคัโะฅัโะฉัโโัโะัโะธัโโขัโะัโะนัโโัโฃะัโะตัโโัโะซัโะณัโโัโะัโโัโะัโะฉัโะงัโโกัโฃะัโะบัโะฉัโโัโะชัโะบัโะฉัโโัโะฉัโะซัโะณัโโัโะัโโัโะจัโโคัโะซัโฃะัโะฅัโะฒัโฃะัโะคัโฃะัโะณัโฃะัโะทัโะฑัโะัโโัโะฉัโะฝัโะฝัโะัโฃะัโะฆัโะตัโะัโะัโโัโะณัโะฃัโฃะัโะัโะชัโโัโะช ัโะปัโะฉัโโขัโฃะัโะัโะัโโัโะคัโะัโฃะัโโัโะฉัโะัโโัโะณัโะัโโัโะคัโะัโโัโะฑัโะฉัโโัโะฑัโะัโะฝัโะัโะฎัโโัโะฉัโะจัโะฑัโโคัโะฅัโะณัโะฟัโฃะัโะฉัโะทัโโัโะฉัโะฉัโโกัโฃะ ัโฃะัโะคัโะฒัโะัโโกัโฃะัโะทัโฃะัโโัโฃะัโะซัโฃะัโะฉัโะัโโัโะณัโะัโโัโะฑัโะฉัโโัโะฑัโะัโะฝัโะัโะัโะตัโโัโฃะัโะฑัโะัโะตัโโัโฃะัโะัโะัโโัโะฅัโโค ัโฃะัโะัโฃะัโะบัโะฆัโโัโะชัโโัโะฉัโะัโโัโะฅัโโคัโฃะัโะตัโโัโะัโะนัโโัโะฅัโะณัโโคัโะฒัโฃะัโฃะัโะซัโฃะัโะฉัโฃะัโะัโะณัโโัโฃะัโะฝัโะัโะฑัโโัโะฝัโฃะัโะฉัโะัโโัโะณัโะงัโโัโะตัโโัโะฒัโะตัโฃะัโโัโะัโะงัโโัโะัโะัโโัโะณัโฃะัโะฑัโโัโะฝัโะ ัโฃะัโะตัโโัโะบัโะณัโฃะัโโัโะัโะัโะทัโโัโะฑัโฃะัโะฅัโะัโฃะัโะฒัโะัโะัโโัโะชัโะซัโะณัโโัโฃะัโะงัโะธัโฃะัโะฎัโโัโฃะัโะฝัโะฉัโะชัโฃะัโโัโะฉ ัโะณัโะทัโะฑัโะงัโโัโฃะัโะัโฃะัโะณัโโกัโะฒัโะัโะณัโฃะัโะฝัโะัโฃะัโะปัโฃะัโะฒัโโัโะชัโะบัโะฐัโโ ัโฃะัโะตัโโัโฃะัโะัโฃะัโฃะัโะัโะณัโโัโะ ัโะจัโะณัโะณัโะฑัโะฉัโโฃัโะัโฃะัโะปัโฃะัโฃะัโะซัโฃะัโะฉัโะซัโะณัโโัโะัโโัโะจัโโคัโะซัโฃะัโะฅัโะฒ ัโะณัโะทัโะฑัโะฆัโโขัโะัโะัโโัโะณัโะบัโะณัโฃะัโโัโะัโะัโโัโะณัโฃะัโะฑัโโัโะฝัโะ-ัโะบัโโัโะัโะัโะฑ-ัโฃะัโะธัโะณัโะนัโะ ัโะัโโคัโะัโะงัโโกัโฃะัโฃะัโะซัโฃะัโะฉัโะจัโะณัโะณัโะฑ ัโะบัโะฉัโโัโะชัโะบัโะฉัโโัโะฉัโะณัโโัโะ ัโะบัโะทัโโัโะบัโะคัโโคัโะัโโัโะณ