[…] including military eviction from the jungle terrain of Phrachangnoi where Yao used to hunt, harvest opium poppy and cultivate grain swiddens by techniques of shifting […]
In my opinion, Princeton Premier is indeed a scam. I have been trying to get them to remove any mention of me from their so-called registry, but so far I have not been successful.
I did not contact them initially, they contacted me. I wish I had learnt it was a scam earlier.
I’m sorry no matter how you parse I didn’t paint a rosy picture of absolute monarchy and you still owe me an apology. If you are not big enough to give it so be it.
Let’s not get personal here. I’m simply responding to your statements, I’m not attacking your character (hence there’s also no need to question my character). If you’re offended by what you perceive to be my misinterpretations of your comments, then I am sorry. However, based on my above explanation (to which you have chosen not to respond substantively), I believe I had a reasonable basis to argue that your portrayal of the era in question was inaccurately “rosy.”
I don’t wish to hijack this thread either. But if you do wish to respond to me on the open forum, I’ll let you have the last word.
Sirindhorn was shown on Thai television leaving for the United States and then returning, but not what she did while away. This was said to be a private trip. Who paid?
One thing she did was to visit Sage College in (see http://www.sage.edu/newsevents/news/?story_id=266970) where President Susan Scrimshaw and her father, Nevin Scrimshaw are “family friends of the Thai Royal Family, having collaborated on projects to improve nutrition and health in Thailand.”
She also spent several days at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, in a visit organized by its business school.
As well as the usual group of hangers-on/followers from he was accompanied by former university president and scientist Associate Professor Sumonta Promboon, who is a member of the royal supported International Peace Foundation (peace-foundation.net.7host.com/_partners/network_in_thailand.html) and president of the Science Society of Thailand (under the patronage of the king).
Yeah, definitely nice to see something on the Wa. I wonder about the impact of economics, or more accurately, the money from the drug trafficking on identity. Clearly, as the post points out drugs have a very negative impact on ethnic identity, but I can’t help but wonder how many of the Chinese businessmen would be involved with the UWSA if it wasn’t for the money.
Newin is one of the key players in this game. He is rumoured to be the guy who organized the trip into the jungle for the VOODOO ceremony for some of the key players including a ‘Lady in Waiting’ before the last coup. The idea of the ceremony was to pick the most auspicious day to have it, and to bless the coup. Nothing will happen to Newin, He has to much pull. You do not mess with the Voodoo! He will again be a key player when Thaksin returns. watch this space. He also commands the votes of several provinces, good when you are pretending to be democratic!
Nick, you are a legend! I try to read and look at everything you do. where are other places that I can find you work. Keep it up man!
Regards David
What is Your opinion of NEWIN ?
“sufficiency economy” as purported by his Royal highness the King. Where every body lives within their means. A problem if you have NO means. As I said before no problem if you are the world richest Monarch with wealth in excess of 35 Billion Dollars. How does one accumulate 35 billion dollars ? Good Salary as a King?Just try to live within your means. NOT easy!
“Well, let me parse the relevant statement that you made -“
I’m sorry no matter how you parse I didn’t paint a rosy picture of absolute monarchy and you still owe me an apology. If you are not big enough to give it so be it.
That I feel it’s more likely a Thaksin return and slipping towards a Pibul-like fascist government is more likely than a return to absolute monarchy, I suspect I’m not alone in. That I hope Thailand can avoid either is understandable.
Tettyan I have painted no picture of pre-1932 absolute monarchy, so maybe you could show me where it’s rosy, otherwise an apology is in order.
Well, let me parse the relevant statement that you made –
What scares me right now is people like Chalerm, is he really the leader of the opposition?, and a Thaksin comeback which will drive Thailand back to a fascist Pibul-like 1938 rather than an absolute monarchy of pre-1932.
Looks to me that you compare the pre-1932 situation favorably, at least compared to Phibul’s 1938-44 (and 1946-57) regime. Both are fairly complicated eras in Thai history, and I wouldn’t try to rush to conclusions about either era, at least w/o appreciation of the nuances of the two eras. It’s you who’s rushing to conclusions w/ your comparison (and yes, implying a rosy picture of the pre-1932 era in the process), not me.
Les Abbey also says –
So let’s look at the more nasty options coming up in the near future.
[snip]
2/ A PAD fascist takeover – as they would be unlikely to gain power through elections it would have to be in conjunction with another army coup, which at the moment the military leadership seems disinclined to do, although always a possibility.
3/ Thaksin returns and again attempts to put his own family and friends in the most powerful places in the military, police and civil service, but this time makes sure all the army is under his control.
I dislike both of these nasty options equally. I fear the PAD’s agenda (and shared by certain factions of the Democrat party aligned w/ them) just as much as I fear Thaksin’s agenda and the hardcore pro-Thaksin factions w/in the Red Shirt movement. There may be people on this board sympathetic w/ some elements of the red shirt movement, but that is different from being sympathetic with Thaksin and his personal agenda. Which brings me to your next quote –
This I think is where I disagree with all the pro-Thaksin and pro-red shirt supporters on this blog. It isn’t some proto-revolutionary movement of progressive ideas, it’s a movement to turn the clock back.
The red shirt movement is made up of various factions of group, some with a genuine progressive agenda, and many more w/ self-serving agendas (and not all necessarily just Thaksin’s agenda). In a sense, their relative disunity and disorganization relative to that of the Yellow Shirts is what makes them in my view slightly less dangers than the PAD at the moment.
I agree
Jim: Have you been reading the Nation and taking it seriously? Sure, all thes things you mention are in play and you left out some – how about the role of PAD at this point? Splitting the Dems could help them. Abhisit bungled by listening to them rather than Suthep. What about the reds? Are they likely to support a coup? Haven’t they backed themselves into a corner? If they supported a coup now, surely their game would be up too? Is this what Jakraphob has been warning?
Many reasons for a coup, but how about just replacing Abhisit instead of a coup? He’s been as weak as piss anyway. Wouldn’t the old elite prefer that given all the problems they had after the last coup?
Vigorous debate, high-quality, original contribhutions, pithy, cheeky, eccentric this is not, (except for perhaps original and cheeky “high-quality” grammar or spelling worthy of a high school writer).
Repetitive, unimaginative point scoring and idle abuse is pretty much all New Mandala seems to be.
You should be embarrassed by any claim that this drivel contributes anything to anyone.
Like the comment about the airports (chuckle) If we can get the yellows in full command then Thailand’s pollution levels will fall dramatically (induced by economic collapse caused by the North Korea Plan). “Vanessa Kerr is an editorial intern at Grist”
Good to know Jim Taylor is still living in that cuckoo land he inhabited back in April.
Keep it up Jim.
Be careful of the men in yellow shirts.
Then again, some of the red shirts might want an embarrasment like you out of the way too.
Stop bending the facts and dreaming about a Thailand that will never be.
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Yao agriculture and military confiscations
[…] including military eviction from the jungle terrain of Phrachangnoi where Yao used to hunt, harvest opium poppy and cultivate grain swiddens by techniques of shifting […]
Development options for Laos?
In my opinion, Princeton Premier is indeed a scam. I have been trying to get them to remove any mention of me from their so-called registry, but so far I have not been successful.
I did not contact them initially, they contacted me. I wish I had learnt it was a scam earlier.
What it means to be Wa: Identity creation in the Southeast Asian borderlands
Oops, re: my previous comment, I meant “I’m not too acquainted with this issue in any event.”
Montesano on Thailand in April 2009
Les Abbey says –
I’m sorry no matter how you parse I didn’t paint a rosy picture of absolute monarchy and you still owe me an apology. If you are not big enough to give it so be it.
Let’s not get personal here. I’m simply responding to your statements, I’m not attacking your character (hence there’s also no need to question my character). If you’re offended by what you perceive to be my misinterpretations of your comments, then I am sorry. However, based on my above explanation (to which you have chosen not to respond substantively), I believe I had a reasonable basis to argue that your portrayal of the era in question was inaccurately “rosy.”
I don’t wish to hijack this thread either. But if you do wish to respond to me on the open forum, I’ll let you have the last word.
… and if one green royal should …
Might not be the right link for this, but ardent royal watchers might be interested in this:
http://www.kenaninstitute.unc.edu/ThaiPrincess/index.htm
Sirindhorn was shown on Thai television leaving for the United States and then returning, but not what she did while away. This was said to be a private trip. Who paid?
One thing she did was to visit Sage College in (see http://www.sage.edu/newsevents/news/?story_id=266970) where President Susan Scrimshaw and her father, Nevin Scrimshaw are “family friends of the Thai Royal Family, having collaborated on projects to improve nutrition and health in Thailand.”
She also spent several days at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, in a visit organized by its business school.
The business school has long dealt with Thailand’s royalist elite, and had its consulting arm in Bangkok, set up in part by USAID funding (see http://www.kiasia.org/En/Timeline.asp?GroupTierId=9&SubGroupTier_ID=16), the Kenan Institute Asia, chaired by Anand Panyarachun. These connections are well-illustrated at: http://www.kiasia.org/En/Trustees.asp?GroupTierID=9
As well as the usual group of hangers-on/followers from he was accompanied by former university president and scientist Associate Professor Sumonta Promboon, who is a member of the royal supported International Peace Foundation (peace-foundation.net.7host.com/_partners/network_in_thailand.html) and president of the Science Society of Thailand (under the patronage of the king).
Also on the trip was Pasinee Limatibul, a businesswoman, socialite (see http://www.bangkokpost.com/life/family/21359/ferrari-s-fast-and-furious-new-force) and Pong Sarasin’s daughter (see http://www.nationmultimedia.com/sunday/20050710/index.php?news=column_17983666.html). She was part of the board of directors of Intercontinental Hotels in Thailand. Siam Paragon was built on the former location of the Siam Intercontinental Hotel, which was torn down in 2002 at the end of its lease. The site, leased for 30 years, is Bureau of the Crown Property land and at one time was the royal parkland of the Srapatum Palace.
Also on the trip was Valliya Pangsrivongse of the property group Kasemkij (see http://www.kasemkij.com/index.html).
What it means to be Wa: Identity creation in the Southeast Asian borderlands
Yeah, definitely nice to see something on the Wa. I wonder about the impact of economics, or more accurately, the money from the drug trafficking on identity. Clearly, as the post points out drugs have a very negative impact on ethnic identity, but I can’t help but wonder how many of the Chinese businessmen would be involved with the UWSA if it wasn’t for the money.
17 August 2009: petition day
Newin is one of the key players in this game. He is rumoured to be the guy who organized the trip into the jungle for the VOODOO ceremony for some of the key players including a ‘Lady in Waiting’ before the last coup. The idea of the ceremony was to pick the most auspicious day to have it, and to bless the coup. Nothing will happen to Newin, He has to much pull. You do not mess with the Voodoo! He will again be a key player when Thaksin returns. watch this space. He also commands the votes of several provinces, good when you are pretending to be democratic!
17 August 2009: petition day
Nick, you are a legend! I try to read and look at everything you do. where are other places that I can find you work. Keep it up man!
Regards David
What is Your opinion of NEWIN ?
… and if one green royal should …
“sufficiency economy” as purported by his Royal highness the King. Where every body lives within their means. A problem if you have NO means. As I said before no problem if you are the world richest Monarch with wealth in excess of 35 Billion Dollars. How does one accumulate 35 billion dollars ? Good Salary as a King?Just try to live within your means. NOT easy!
… and if one green royal should …
MY apologies Ralph. I will read more carefully next time.
David
… and if one green royal should …
“out of grade school”
Thank you for your “contribhution”. 😉
Montesano on Thailand in April 2009
Tettyan says –
“Well, let me parse the relevant statement that you made -“
I’m sorry no matter how you parse I didn’t paint a rosy picture of absolute monarchy and you still owe me an apology. If you are not big enough to give it so be it.
That I feel it’s more likely a Thaksin return and slipping towards a Pibul-like fascist government is more likely than a return to absolute monarchy, I suspect I’m not alone in. That I hope Thailand can avoid either is understandable.
Montesano on Thailand in April 2009
Les Abbey says –
Tettyan I have painted no picture of pre-1932 absolute monarchy, so maybe you could show me where it’s rosy, otherwise an apology is in order.
Well, let me parse the relevant statement that you made –
What scares me right now is people like Chalerm, is he really the leader of the opposition?, and a Thaksin comeback which will drive Thailand back to a fascist Pibul-like 1938 rather than an absolute monarchy of pre-1932.
Looks to me that you compare the pre-1932 situation favorably, at least compared to Phibul’s 1938-44 (and 1946-57) regime. Both are fairly complicated eras in Thai history, and I wouldn’t try to rush to conclusions about either era, at least w/o appreciation of the nuances of the two eras. It’s you who’s rushing to conclusions w/ your comparison (and yes, implying a rosy picture of the pre-1932 era in the process), not me.
Les Abbey also says –
So let’s look at the more nasty options coming up in the near future.
[snip]
2/ A PAD fascist takeover – as they would be unlikely to gain power through elections it would have to be in conjunction with another army coup, which at the moment the military leadership seems disinclined to do, although always a possibility.
3/ Thaksin returns and again attempts to put his own family and friends in the most powerful places in the military, police and civil service, but this time makes sure all the army is under his control.
I dislike both of these nasty options equally. I fear the PAD’s agenda (and shared by certain factions of the Democrat party aligned w/ them) just as much as I fear Thaksin’s agenda and the hardcore pro-Thaksin factions w/in the Red Shirt movement. There may be people on this board sympathetic w/ some elements of the red shirt movement, but that is different from being sympathetic with Thaksin and his personal agenda. Which brings me to your next quote –
This I think is where I disagree with all the pro-Thaksin and pro-red shirt supporters on this blog. It isn’t some proto-revolutionary movement of progressive ideas, it’s a movement to turn the clock back.
The red shirt movement is made up of various factions of group, some with a genuine progressive agenda, and many more w/ self-serving agendas (and not all necessarily just Thaksin’s agenda). In a sense, their relative disunity and disorganization relative to that of the Yellow Shirts is what makes them in my view slightly less dangers than the PAD at the moment.
I agree
… and if one green royal should …
Green royals ? The notion would be funny if it wasn’t so bizarrely pathetic. Do I hear “sufficiency economy” anyone ?
Suthep denies
Jim: Have you been reading the Nation and taking it seriously? Sure, all thes things you mention are in play and you left out some – how about the role of PAD at this point? Splitting the Dems could help them. Abhisit bungled by listening to them rather than Suthep. What about the reds? Are they likely to support a coup? Haven’t they backed themselves into a corner? If they supported a coup now, surely their game would be up too? Is this what Jakraphob has been warning?
Many reasons for a coup, but how about just replacing Abhisit instead of a coup? He’s been as weak as piss anyway. Wouldn’t the old elite prefer that given all the problems they had after the last coup?
… and if one green royal should …
Vigorous debate, high-quality, original contribhutions, pithy, cheeky, eccentric this is not, (except for perhaps original and cheeky “high-quality” grammar or spelling worthy of a high school writer).
Repetitive, unimaginative point scoring and idle abuse is pretty much all New Mandala seems to be.
You should be embarrassed by any claim that this drivel contributes anything to anyone.
John Yettaw released
NEW ANU report
Dictatorship Disorder and Decline in Myanmar
scribd on http://democracyforburma.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/dictatorship-disorder-and-decline-in-myanmar/
Towards the elections- International Crisis Group (ICG)
scribd.on http://democracyforburma.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/towards-the-elections-international-crisis-group-icg/
… and if one green royal should …
Like the comment about the airports (chuckle) If we can get the yellows in full command then Thailand’s pollution levels will fall dramatically (induced by economic collapse caused by the North Korea Plan). “Vanessa Kerr is an editorial intern at Grist”
… and if one green royal should …
David: who do you refer to? The Grist article is attributed to an intern.
Suthep denies
Good to know Jim Taylor is still living in that cuckoo land he inhabited back in April.
Keep it up Jim.
Be careful of the men in yellow shirts.
Then again, some of the red shirts might want an embarrasment like you out of the way too.
Stop bending the facts and dreaming about a Thailand that will never be.