But RSS feeds are still working for Asia Sentinel..!
This could be a mix of technical issues here in Thailand as well as blocking of selected sites either by the government or by internet providers. As always with this country – there is never a uniform application of rules
Asia Sentinel’s homepage (today anyway) is now being redirected to a blank page at w3.mict.go.th – it is however still available through a proxy server. This is the first direct routing to the Ministry that I have seen.
this is interesting.
but i think that the life in thailand is moving faster than what the laws can do. i mean, people are wanting more freedom to say things and do things but that depends on how the laws will let them. i feel like the laws are moving at a slower pace. we’ll see how this goes.
i don’t know a lot about this particular law but i’ll be looking forward to reading and learning more. THANKS.
I have never had a problem accessing a NM page, directly to a post or to your home page.
I am having intermittent but increasing difficulty accessing prachatai’s English site, though, and I suspect it’s my ISP (True) that’s doing it. The site is “loading” forever, until I get a message like this: “Network Timeout … The server at http://www.prachatai.com is taking too long to respond. … The requested site did not respond to a connection request and the browser has stopped waiting for a reply. …”
Anyone who considered the backdoor talk of Suthep in some military barrack under the “special” guidance of the army in chief, in order to form a coalition with the defected Newin group, DEMOCRATICALLY legitimate, would surely not share the same definition of democracy with me.
Anyway, let the pretty face premier face a tough Q & A in his alma mater. I’m sure it will turn out to be a record breaking hit.
Susie Wong:
Do not underestimate those elite and royalist, many are well educated abroad ( but preoccupied by their own interest, pity). At the same time, they keep the Thai kids with “bad education”, prepare the kids for their 24/7 propaganda. Now the products of decades of propaganda had shown themselves even at NM, as you can see here every now and then.
I share Oldpoem #27 view. After having read through, I at a loss.What is the issue here? Lee John’ opinion or Lee John as a person.
Why ‘s so emotional?
I would like to ask people who claim “Thai at heart”
why not discuss with the real Thais The majority Thai. But since we all stand firm on what we belief, My observation is
there are too much prejudice here..
Land of Snarls, my apologies for the insult (which wasn’t quite intended specifically for you nor was it intended as an “insult”) – especially in light of revelations about yourself. But the last paragraph, I include for you to add to your list of what is not right about the country. No one (and especially the elites in this case), while the cases are in court and close to verdict, should be permitted to leave the country… Thai society would have got closer to some form of resolution if PMThaksin or AjarnGiles were still in the country…
Susie Wong #26, thanks for the very good laugh. For you, I will be a “non-Thai” with a Thai heart!
I think that it would be proving very informative for those who are interested in knowing about Myanmar or Burma . Such sites help by various ways . I loved the concept .
Barbara
Is it, as Vox asks, True (??) that is doing the blocking? That would explain why during my recent month in Thailand I didn’t have any issues. Or is it more random than that?
Of course there is a more subtle issue about blocking key words. Just because a page has the phrase “lese majeste” in its title there is surely no sense in which any crime has been committed? I wonder on what grounds these blocks are imposed. National security? If so, who has authorised them?
Would a web page like this one end up blocked too? Surely not.
I’m in Thailand. Obviously, this posting hasn’t been blocked, and if any other postings on New Mandala have, then I haven’t noticed.
My internet access goes through either my university or through a WAP connecting to DTAC. Maybe it’s True that’s doing the blocking? I remember them being rather zealous in blocking websites when I used them.
I suspect that the monarchy has already alienated half the population, by its failure to extract itself from the clutches of one side in a politically polarised Thailand. The monarchy has been damaged especially by the use of the lèse majesté law by that side in the political conflict. Furthermore, the side that has laid claim to the monarchy has committed outrages against the laws of Thailand (against the Constitution by the military, and against essential public order laws by the PAD). By comparison, the laws broken by the other side tend to be those contrived by its enemies for the purpose of entrapment.
Given the amount of damage the Thai monarchy has suffered during the reign of a popular king, it seems unlikely that it will survive an unpopular one. This is unfortunate. A majority of the world’s most civilised countries are constitutional monarchies, essentially republics where the monarch is a cultural rather than a political leader. Indeed, Thailand has been masquerading as one of those, with undeserved success, for many years. But in those other countries the monarchy has shown more political wisdom, particularly by staying out of partisan politics, and by not involving itself with the breakers of good laws and the perpetrators of bad ones.
I’m giving my view as a Thai living all my life in THAILAND for over thirty years.
This is the darkest era of democracy in THAILAND. Lee Jones actually knew what is really happened in THAILAND right now.
The latest election (23 Dec 2009) result showed that PPP won the vote. And majority want Samak and PPP to govern the country. That’s what thai people want.
But Samak and Somchai goverment was brought down by Constitution court which is appointed by Military Junta. Especially Samak with ridiculous charge for making cooking show on TV which he did it for over 6 years before he won the election.
Media , Military , Court , Democrat Party and PAD has formed an alliance to bring down people’s government. And now they are abuse Lese-Majesty laws to charge against whoever stand oppose them. Even this law existed for many years but it hasn’t been used as much as 3 months in Abhisit era.
IMHO Abhisit has no democratic credit left since the day he boycott an election in 2006 which led to military coup. In fact I believed he used any means to gain the power whether it’s against democracy principle or not.
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Lese majeste-related web pages blocked in Thailand?
But RSS feeds are still working for Asia Sentinel..!
This could be a mix of technical issues here in Thailand as well as blocking of selected sites either by the government or by internet providers. As always with this country – there is never a uniform application of rules
Lese majeste-related web pages blocked in Thailand?
Asia Sentinel’s homepage (today anyway) is now being redirected to a blank page at w3.mict.go.th – it is however still available through a proxy server. This is the first direct routing to the Ministry that I have seen.
Lese majeste-related web pages blocked in Thailand?
I’m in Thailand. No problems opening pages, even those with LM in the page title (including http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2009/03/10/a-lese-majeste-event-in-bangkok/ ). Frankly, I’m astonished.
Thongchai Winichakul’s update on lese majeste reform
this is interesting.
but i think that the life in thailand is moving faster than what the laws can do. i mean, people are wanting more freedom to say things and do things but that depends on how the laws will let them. i feel like the laws are moving at a slower pace. we’ll see how this goes.
i don’t know a lot about this particular law but i’ll be looking forward to reading and learning more. THANKS.
Lese majeste-related web pages blocked in Thailand?
I have never had a problem accessing a NM page, directly to a post or to your home page.
I am having intermittent but increasing difficulty accessing prachatai’s English site, though, and I suspect it’s my ISP (True) that’s doing it. The site is “loading” forever, until I get a message like this: “Network Timeout … The server at http://www.prachatai.com is taking too long to respond. … The requested site did not respond to a connection request and the browser has stopped waiting for a reply. …”
Lee Jones on Abhisit in Oxford
Anyone who considered the backdoor talk of Suthep in some military barrack under the “special” guidance of the army in chief, in order to form a coalition with the defected Newin group, DEMOCRATICALLY legitimate, would surely not share the same definition of democracy with me.
Anyway, let the pretty face premier face a tough Q & A in his alma mater. I’m sure it will turn out to be a record breaking hit.
Susie Wong:
Do not underestimate those elite and royalist, many are well educated abroad ( but preoccupied by their own interest, pity). At the same time, they keep the Thai kids with “bad education”, prepare the kids for their 24/7 propaganda. Now the products of decades of propaganda had shown themselves even at NM, as you can see here every now and then.
Lese majeste-related web pages blocked in Thailand?
No problem accessing all entries on New Mandala using True in Bkk.
Had 404 errors earlier accessing Asia Sentinel, but even this seems to be ok now.
A lese majeste event in Bangkok
I am in Thailand, and I have no problem downloading this document.
David Streckfuss on LM
Srithanonchai,
Yes, you seem to be right. I get a Page Load Error at this end. Sometimes they get swamped with traffic. And other times….
Best wishes to all,
NSF
Lee Jones on Abhisit in Oxford
I share Oldpoem #27 view. After having read through, I at a loss.What is the issue here? Lee John’ opinion or Lee John as a person.
Why ‘s so emotional?
I would like to ask people who claim “Thai at heart”
why not discuss with the real Thais The majority Thai. But since we all stand firm on what we belief, My observation is
there are too much prejudice here..
David Streckfuss on LM
Prachatai does not seem to be accessible at the moment.
Lee Jones on Abhisit in Oxford
I have written an op-ed on this subject in today’s ‘Times’:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article5897588.ece
Lee Jones on Abhisit in Oxford
Land of Snarls, my apologies for the insult (which wasn’t quite intended specifically for you nor was it intended as an “insult”) – especially in light of revelations about yourself. But the last paragraph, I include for you to add to your list of what is not right about the country. No one (and especially the elites in this case), while the cases are in court and close to verdict, should be permitted to leave the country… Thai society would have got closer to some form of resolution if PMThaksin or AjarnGiles were still in the country…
Susie Wong #26, thanks for the very good laugh. For you, I will be a “non-Thai” with a Thai heart!
Gateway to Aussie Burma activism
I think that it would be proving very informative for those who are interested in knowing about Myanmar or Burma . Such sites help by various ways . I loved the concept .
Barbara
Lese majeste-related web pages blocked in Thailand?
Thanks Clifford and Vox Populi,
I appreciate the information.
Is it, as Vox asks, True (??) that is doing the blocking? That would explain why during my recent month in Thailand I didn’t have any issues. Or is it more random than that?
Of course there is a more subtle issue about blocking key words. Just because a page has the phrase “lese majeste” in its title there is surely no sense in which any crime has been committed? I wonder on what grounds these blocks are imposed. National security? If so, who has authorised them?
Would a web page like this one end up blocked too? Surely not.
Best wishes to all,
Nich
Lese majeste-related web pages blocked in Thailand?
I tried about six pages, and I can open all of them from my university proxy in Korat. I’ll keep trying and post the addresses that are blocked.
Lese majeste-related web pages blocked in Thailand?
I’m in Thailand. Obviously, this posting hasn’t been blocked, and if any other postings on New Mandala have, then I haven’t noticed.
My internet access goes through either my university or through a WAP connecting to DTAC. Maybe it’s True that’s doing the blocking? I remember them being rather zealous in blocking websites when I used them.
Further details on Giles’ Oxford talk
My sympathy is for all Thais in this room, and for that crazy man who not deserv to called “son of AJ Puey”
Thongchai Winichakul’s update on lese majeste reform
I suspect that the monarchy has already alienated half the population, by its failure to extract itself from the clutches of one side in a politically polarised Thailand. The monarchy has been damaged especially by the use of the lèse majesté law by that side in the political conflict. Furthermore, the side that has laid claim to the monarchy has committed outrages against the laws of Thailand (against the Constitution by the military, and against essential public order laws by the PAD). By comparison, the laws broken by the other side tend to be those contrived by its enemies for the purpose of entrapment.
Given the amount of damage the Thai monarchy has suffered during the reign of a popular king, it seems unlikely that it will survive an unpopular one. This is unfortunate. A majority of the world’s most civilised countries are constitutional monarchies, essentially republics where the monarch is a cultural rather than a political leader. Indeed, Thailand has been masquerading as one of those, with undeserved success, for many years. But in those other countries the monarchy has shown more political wisdom, particularly by staying out of partisan politics, and by not involving itself with the breakers of good laws and the perpetrators of bad ones.
Lee Jones on Abhisit in Oxford
I’m giving my view as a Thai living all my life in THAILAND for over thirty years.
This is the darkest era of democracy in THAILAND. Lee Jones actually knew what is really happened in THAILAND right now.
The latest election (23 Dec 2009) result showed that PPP won the vote. And majority want Samak and PPP to govern the country. That’s what thai people want.
But Samak and Somchai goverment was brought down by Constitution court which is appointed by Military Junta. Especially Samak with ridiculous charge for making cooking show on TV which he did it for over 6 years before he won the election.
Media , Military , Court , Democrat Party and PAD has formed an alliance to bring down people’s government. And now they are abuse Lese-Majesty laws to charge against whoever stand oppose them. Even this law existed for many years but it hasn’t been used as much as 3 months in Abhisit era.
IMHO Abhisit has no democratic credit left since the day he boycott an election in 2006 which led to military coup. In fact I believed he used any means to gain the power whether it’s against democracy principle or not.