History shows that when there is an actor, a force that has some military support and is pretty much out of control (even if it is manipulated from parts of the palace) then the king, for better or worse, does not step in until the loser (not the winner) is decided. Sondhi and those behind him and in front of him have not heeded the king’s implied endorsement of Samak’s government, and that suggests out of control.
What really need to come out of this is, who is encouraging and protecting Sondhi, as he behaves like a 1960s Red Guard leader?
You have been following Thailand long enough to know that the King is above politics, and does not wish to be involved in such matters (nor should he).
But doesn’t a bodhisattva vow to remain in Manusyaloka in order to assist sentient beings in ending their ignorance? Perhaps his paramita/р╕Ър╕▓р╕гр╕бр╕╡ isn’t as highly developed as some people may claim.
One should hope that Cambodian authorities remain ignorant of the fact that the developers of the forthcoming “Tomb Raider. Underworld” computer game placed Angkor Thom right in the middle of Thailand. In a newly released trailer, Lara Croft – in search of Thor’s hammer – makes her way through Thai ruins, at some point passing ancient structures similar to the gates of Angkor Thom crowned by the famous four faces… http://www.tombraider.com/server.php?show=ConMediaFile.726
To my knowledge there is no four-faced Angkorean gate on Thai soil.
Hopefully, the developers had no Thai cultural experts who were aware of the fact that this is a virtual annexation of Angkorean heartland to Thai territory.
Andrew your grudge against Thailand’s beloved monarch HMK Bhumibhol must be personally constipating, I can sense. You would blame the Thai monarch when Thai democracy gets stalled or implodes (like in 2006 because of a deeply flawed corruption inspired ex-PM, now fugitive, Thaksin). That’s just grudge Andrew W and not good sense nor logic. Thaksin Shinawatra could NOT be saved Andrew W. but yet you now believe his nominee Samak Sundaravej is deserving . . . with you on your knees (sarcasm returned) seeking intervention from HMK, the ‘Protector of the Nation’. But would you protest Andrew Walker if HMK again ‘whispers to Thai Prime Minister Samak’s ears’?
Thailand’s political situation is descending to near lunacy,I agree. But if the Thais are not going at each other’s throats now is because there is indeed a revered Father figure, HMK Bhumibhol, the Protector and the Reconciler.
(The Thais believe in Karma – Everything comes around is a Thai belief. Both Thaksin and Samak have blood on their hands: Thaksin accountable for the extra-judicial slaughter during his anti-drugs and Samak for his anti-leftist incitement of the murderous Red Guars during the October 1976 Thammasart University massacre. Yet Andrew W. will believe that Samak Sundaravej, despite Samak’s blood-stained sleeves, is deserving to be saved . . .)
Andrew – You have been following Thailand long enough to know that the King is above politics, and does not wish to be involved in such matters (nor should he).
Unfortunately, he seems to continually be called upon to sort out the mess – It’s interesting that you are joining that chorus.
“In some quarters, the King is thought of as a key defender of Thai democracy”, yes Thai democracy. The democracy that’s replaced every few years when his authority is challenged. His silence speaks louder than words.
Handley speaks Thai, lived in Thailand longer than you have, and unlike you, doesn’t consider fabrications part of Thai culture. He doesn’t drive a big car _ unlike many PAD supporters I know _ and values his family highly.
The politics of Bangkok had truly descended to chaos and insanity. From the ‘bloodless coup led by a General Sondhi in Sept-2006’ to today’s ‘bloodless anarchy’ being led by Bangkok’s PiedPiper Sondhi Limthongkul.
The (PAD) lunatics are finally attempting to take over the asylum, and in the process destroying the nation and homeland they tell us they all so love.
Good observation, and it includes their thinking from the time at Lumpini park. At the moment, a veritable rebellion (what the constitution calls an attempt to seize power by unconstitutional means) is going on in Bangkok. If it was the military, one would call it coup d’etat…
That Italian newspaper commentary of several months ago comparing the aims and tactics of the PAD to Rome’s fascists in the 1920s is lookng more cogent every hour.
Emil, the other two presentations were mainly just a historical background of the dispute. A key point was that the early 20th century map in dispute (which was agreed to by the Thais at the time) has a border which mistakenly follows the wrong watershed line. The issue has been raised at various times throughout the C20th to promote nationalistic feeling on either side – see Thongchai’s ‘Siam Mapped’ for a good summary of Thai resentment towards the border issue and loss of national pride. As far as I know, there is no claim that the Thais actually built the temple, the claim is that it falls within Thai territory.
In the discussion, there was a persuasive argument from a well-informed ANU academic that the Thai (military) reaction was merely reactionary to events, not politically orchestrated as partly inferred in the presentation. There was also some criticism about the lack of Khmer focus to the presentations – and for my two cents I think it highly likely the dispute was mostly stirred for Cambodian political reasons (the election).
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Still no word from the protector of the nation
History shows that when there is an actor, a force that has some military support and is pretty much out of control (even if it is manipulated from parts of the palace) then the king, for better or worse, does not step in until the loser (not the winner) is decided. Sondhi and those behind him and in front of him have not heeded the king’s implied endorsement of Samak’s government, and that suggests out of control.
What really need to come out of this is, who is encouraging and protecting Sondhi, as he behaves like a 1960s Red Guard leader?
Still no word from the protector of the nation
re: nganadeeleg
But doesn’t a bodhisattva vow to remain in Manusyaloka in order to assist sentient beings in ending their ignorance? Perhaps his paramita/р╕Ър╕▓р╕гр╕бр╕╡ isn’t as highly developed as some people may claim.
A veritable rebellion
And thus the yellowshirts show themselves to be the neo-fascist/neo-corporatist* thugs that they are.
*especially in the Falangist sense
A veritable rebellion
Man the ramparts!
It’s high time for an unsentimental education.
“Without their materialism and ‘instinctive worship of power’, almost the entire cast would be completely rootless.”
Phra Viharn: the dividing line in Thailand
One should hope that Cambodian authorities remain ignorant of the fact that the developers of the forthcoming “Tomb Raider. Underworld” computer game placed Angkor Thom right in the middle of Thailand. In a newly released trailer, Lara Croft – in search of Thor’s hammer – makes her way through Thai ruins, at some point passing ancient structures similar to the gates of Angkor Thom crowned by the famous four faces… http://www.tombraider.com/server.php?show=ConMediaFile.726
To my knowledge there is no four-faced Angkorean gate on Thai soil.
Hopefully, the developers had no Thai cultural experts who were aware of the fact that this is a virtual annexation of Angkorean heartland to Thai territory.
Laos ne s’est pas fait en un jour!
“The only problem is that it isn’t actually available yet. EFEO don’t have any copies yet. My premature search has been especially frustrating.”
EFEO has copies. I saw one on last Monday.
So it can’t be very far from being released.
Waiting in eager anticipation.
Still no word from the protector of the nation
Andrew your grudge against Thailand’s beloved monarch HMK Bhumibhol must be personally constipating, I can sense. You would blame the Thai monarch when Thai democracy gets stalled or implodes (like in 2006 because of a deeply flawed corruption inspired ex-PM, now fugitive, Thaksin). That’s just grudge Andrew W and not good sense nor logic. Thaksin Shinawatra could NOT be saved Andrew W. but yet you now believe his nominee Samak Sundaravej is deserving . . . with you on your knees (sarcasm returned) seeking intervention from HMK, the ‘Protector of the Nation’. But would you protest Andrew Walker if HMK again ‘whispers to Thai Prime Minister Samak’s ears’?
Thailand’s political situation is descending to near lunacy,I agree. But if the Thais are not going at each other’s throats now is because there is indeed a revered Father figure, HMK Bhumibhol, the Protector and the Reconciler.
(The Thais believe in Karma – Everything comes around is a Thai belief. Both Thaksin and Samak have blood on their hands: Thaksin accountable for the extra-judicial slaughter during his anti-drugs and Samak for his anti-leftist incitement of the murderous Red Guars during the October 1976 Thammasart University massacre. Yet Andrew W. will believe that Samak Sundaravej, despite Samak’s blood-stained sleeves, is deserving to be saved . . .)
Still no word from the protector of the nation
Andrew – You have been following Thailand long enough to know that the King is above politics, and does not wish to be involved in such matters (nor should he).
Unfortunately, he seems to continually be called upon to sort out the mess – It’s interesting that you are joining that chorus.
Still no word from the protector of the nation
“In some quarters, the King is thought of as a key defender of Thai democracy”, yes
Thai democracy. The democracy that’s replaced every few years when his authority is challenged. His silence speaks louder than words.
Any chance of a word from on high?
[…] than two months ago I wrote: In some quarters the king is regarded as a key defender of Thai democracy. Which makes me wonder […]
Royal hydrology
Dear Jo:
Handley speaks Thai, lived in Thailand longer than you have, and unlike you, doesn’t consider fabrications part of Thai culture. He doesn’t drive a big car _ unlike many PAD supporters I know _ and values his family highly.
So please don’t waste people’s time.
A veritable rebellion
The politics of Bangkok had truly descended to chaos and insanity. From the ‘bloodless coup led by a General Sondhi in Sept-2006’ to today’s ‘bloodless anarchy’ being led by Bangkok’s PiedPiper Sondhi Limthongkul.
Bloody fools!
Is that a promise?
Now I understand.
It’s Prem’s birthday.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=129941
Is that a promise?
My initial reaction…
The (PAD) lunatics are finally attempting to take over the asylum, and in the process destroying the nation and homeland they tell us they all so love.
Laos ne s’est pas fait en un jour!
The only problem is that it isn’t actually available yet. EFEO don’t have any copies yet. My premature search has been especially frustrating.
Phra Viharn: the dividing line in Thailand
Thanks for the rundown Fisherman.
Is that a promise?
Here is rhe official announcement of the PAD, taken from the Maneger web site at http://www.manager.co.th/Politics/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9510000100593
р╕Юр╕▒р╕Щр╕Шр╕бр╕┤р╕Хр╕гр╕п р╕нр╕нр╕Бр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Бр╕▓р╕и р╕Йр╕Ър╕▒р╕Ър╕Чр╕╡р╣И 12/2551 р╕Бр╕│р╕лр╕Щр╕Фр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Йр╕▓р╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕вр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕зр╕┤р╕Шр╕╡р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Кр╕╕р╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕бр╕кр╕гр╣Йр╕▓р╕Зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕зр╕▒р╕Хр╕┤р╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Хр╕гр╣Мр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕Зр╣Др╕Чр╕в р╕вр╣Йр╕│р╣Гр╕Кр╣Йр╕кр╕┤р╕Чр╕Шр╕┤р╕Хр╕▓р╕б р╕б.63 р╕вр╕╢р╕Фр╕бр╕▒р╣Ир╕Щр╣Бр╕Щр╕зр╕Чр╕▓р╕Зр╕кр╕▒р╕Щр╕Хр╕┤р╕зр╕┤р╕Шр╕╡ р╕гр╕░р╕Ър╕╕р╕нр╕▓р╕Ир╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Ыр╕┤р╕Фр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ир╕гр╕▓р╕Ир╕гр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Чр╕│р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕кр╕Цр╕▓р╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ър╕▓р╕Зр╣Бр╕лр╣Ир╕Зр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕кр╕▓р╕бр╕▓р╕гр╕Цр╣Ар╕Ыр╕┤р╕Фр╕Чр╕│р╕Бр╕▓р╕г р╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕гр╕▒р╕Рр╕Ър╕▓р╕ер╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Вр╕▓р╕Фр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Кр╕нр╕Ър╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕бр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕Чр╕│р╕Зр╕▓р╕Щр╕Ир╕Щр╕кр╕гр╣Йр╕▓р╕Зр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╣Ар╕кр╕╡р╕вр╕лр╕▓р╕вр╕ер╣Ир╕бр╕Ир╕бр╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤
р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Бр╕▓р╕ир╕Юр╕▒р╕Щр╕Шр╕бр╕┤р╕Хр╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Шр╕┤р╕Ыр╣Др╕Хр╕в р╕Йр╕Ър╕▒р╕Ър╕Чр╕╡р╣И 12/2551
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р╕Бр╕│р╕лр╕Щр╕Фр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Йр╕▓р╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕вр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕зр╕┤р╕Шр╕╡р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Кр╕╕р╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕бр╕кр╕гр╣Йр╕▓р╕Зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕зр╕▒р╕Хр╕┤р╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Хр╕гр╣Мр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕Зр╣Др╕Чр╕в
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1. р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Бр╕нр╕Зр╕Чр╕▒р╕Юр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╕Бр╕╣р╣Йр╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤р╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕гр╣Ир╕зр╕бр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Кр╕╕р╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕бр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕З р╕кр╕Зр╕Ъ р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕ир╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕нр╕▓р╕зр╕╕р╕Ш р╕нр╕▒р╕Щр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Гр╕Кр╣Йр╕кр╕┤р╕Чр╕Шр╕┤р╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╕Хр╕▓р╕бр╕бр╕▓р╕Хр╕гр╕▓ 63 р╣Гр╕Щр╕гр╕▒р╕Рр╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕Щр╕╣р╕Нр╣Бр╕лр╣Ир╕Зр╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕нр╕▓р╕Ур╕▓р╕Ир╕▒р╕Бр╕гр╣Др╕Чр╕в р╕Юр╕╕р╕Чр╕Шр╕ир╕▒р╕Бр╕гр╕▓р╕К 2550 р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Др╕гр╣Ир╕Зр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╕Ф
р╣Гр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Юр╕╡р╣Ир╕Щр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕гр╣Ир╕зр╕бр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Кр╕╕р╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕б р╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕вр╕╢р╕Фр╕бр╕▒р╣Ир╕Щр╣Гр╕Щр╕кр╕▒р╕Щр╕Хр╕┤р╕зр╕┤р╕Шр╕╡ р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Гр╕Кр╣Йр╕зр╕▓р╕Ир╕▓р╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕нр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Чр╕│р╣Гр╕Фр╣Ж р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕вр╕▒р╣Ир╕зр╕вр╕╕ р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Чр╕│р╕ер╕▓р╕вр╕Чр╕гр╕▒р╕Юр╕вр╣Мр╕кр╕┤р╕Щр╕Чр╕▓р╕Зр╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Бр╕▓р╕г р╣Вр╕Фр╕вр╣Ар╕Фр╣Зр╕Фр╕Вр╕▓р╕Ф
2. р╕Хр╕ер╕нр╕Фр╕гр╕░р╕вр╕░р╣Ар╕зр╕ер╕▓р╕лр╕ер╕▓р╕вр╕Ыр╕╡р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Ьр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕бр╕▓р╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕Юр╕┤р╕кр╕╣р╕Ир╕Щр╣Мр╕бр╕▓р╣Вр╕Фр╕вр╕Хр╕ер╕нр╕Фр╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕зр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Кр╕╕р╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕бр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Юр╕▒р╕Щр╕Шр╕бр╕┤р╕Хр╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Шр╕┤р╕Ыр╣Др╕Хр╕вр╕бр╕╡р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕кр╕Зр╕Ъ р╕нр╕лр╕┤р╕Зр╕кр╕▓ р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕ир╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕нр╕▓р╕зр╕╕р╕Ш р╣Вр╕Фр╕вр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Ар╕Др╕вр╣Ар╕Бр╕┤р╕Фр╣Ар╕лр╕Хр╕╕р╕зр╕╕р╣Ир╕Щр╕зр╕▓р╕вр╣Бр╕бр╣Йр╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╣Ар╕Фр╕╡р╕вр╕з р╕Фр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕лр╕▓р╕Бр╕бр╕╡р╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╣Гр╕Фр╕Бр╣Зр╕Хр╕▓р╕бр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕гр╣Ир╕зр╕бр╕Кр╕╕р╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕б р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Бр╣Ир╕нр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕кр╕Зр╕Ъ р╕вр╕▒р╣Ир╕зр╕вр╕╕ р╕Бр╣Ир╕нр╕Бр╕зр╕Щ р╕кр╕гр╣Йр╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Зр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Щр╣Др╕Вр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╣Ар╕Бр╕┤р╕Фр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Чр╕░р╣Ар╕ер╕▓р╕░р╕зр╕┤р╕зр╕▓р╕Ч р╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Чр╕│р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕гр╕╕р╕Щр╣Бр╕гр╕З р╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕нр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Чр╕│р╕ер╕▓р╕вр╕Чр╕гр╕▒р╕Юр╕вр╣Мр╕кр╕┤р╕Щр╕Чр╕▓р╕Зр╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Бр╕▓р╕г р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Цр╕╖р╕нр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Ър╕╕р╕Др╕Др╕ер╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕лр╕зр╕▒р╕Зр╕Фр╕╡р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕нр╕▒р╕Щр╕Шр╕Юр╕▓р╕ер╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕гр╕▒р╕Рр╕Ър╕▓р╕е р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Чр╕│р╕ер╕▓р╕вр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Кр╕нр╕Ър╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Юр╕▒р╕Щр╕Шр╕бр╕┤р╕Хр╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Шр╕┤р╕Ыр╣Др╕Хр╕в р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╣Ар╕гр╕╡р╕вр╕Бр╕гр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╣Ар╕Ир╣Йр╕▓р╕лр╕Щр╣Йр╕▓р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Хр╕│р╕гр╕зр╕Ир╕Ир╕▒р╕Фр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Хр╕▓р╕бр╕Вр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕Хр╕нр╕Щр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕Ор╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕вр╣Гр╕Щр╕Чр╕▒р╕Щр╕Чр╕╡ р╣Вр╕Фр╕вр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Цр╕╖р╕нр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╕Ьр╕┤р╕Фр╕Кр╕нр╕Ър╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕гр╕▒р╕Рр╕Ър╕▓р╕ер╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╣Ар╕Юр╕╡р╕вр╕Зр╕Эр╣Ир╕▓р╕вр╣Ар╕Фр╕╡р╕вр╕з
3. р╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕бр╕╡р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ир╕зр╕бр╕Кр╕╕р╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕бр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Ир╕│р╕Щр╕зр╕Щр╕бр╕▓р╕Бр╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╣Гр╕Кр╣Йр╕кр╕┤р╕Чр╕Шр╕┤р╕Хр╕▓р╕бр╕бр╕▓р╕Хр╕гр╕▓ 63 р╣Гр╕Щр╕гр╕▒р╕Рр╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕Щр╕╣р╕Нр╕Йр╕Ър╕▒р╕Ър╕Ыр╕▒р╕Ир╕Ир╕╕р╕Ър╕▒р╕Щ р╕Юр╕▒р╕Щр╕Шр╕бр╕┤р╕Хр╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Шр╕┤р╕Ыр╣Др╕Хр╕вр╕бр╕╡р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Ир╕│р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Ыр╕┤р╕Фр╕Кр╣Ир╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ир╕гр╕▓р╕Ир╕гр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕нр╕▓р╕Ир╕Цр╕╢р╕Зр╕Вр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕кр╕▓р╕бр╕▓р╕гр╕Цр╕Чр╕│р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕кр╕Цр╕▓р╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ър╕▓р╕Зр╣Бр╕лр╣Ир╕Зр╣Ар╕Ыр╕┤р╕Фр╕Чр╕│р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Др╕Фр╣Й
р╕лр╕▓р╕Бр╣Ар╕Бр╕┤р╕Фр╣Ар╕лр╕Хр╕╕р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ур╣Мр╕Фр╕▒р╕Зр╕Бр╕ер╣Ир╕▓р╕з р╕Юр╕▒р╕Щр╕Шр╕бр╕┤р╕Хр╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Шр╕┤р╕Ыр╣Др╕Хр╕в р╕Цр╕╖р╕нр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕кр╕│р╣Бр╕Фр╕Зр╕Юр╕ер╕▒р╕Зр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕нр╕Зр╕Чр╕▒р╕Юр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤р╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕ер╣Ир╕бр╕Ир╕б р╕Ир╕╢р╕Зр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕вр╕┤р╕Щр╕вр╕нр╕бр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╣Вр╕нр╕Бр╕▓р╕кр╕гр╕▒р╕Рр╕Ър╕▓р╕ер╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Вр╕▓р╕Фр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Кр╕нр╕Ър╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕Чр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╣Гр╕Щр╕Чр╕▓р╕Зр╕Щр╕┤р╕Хр╕┤р╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕б р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕ир╕╡р╕ер╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕б р╕Ър╕гр╕┤р╕лр╕▓р╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕Чр╕│р╕Зр╕▓р╕Щр╕кр╕Цр╕▓р╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕нр╕╡р╕Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╣Др╕Ы
р╕Юр╕гр╣Йр╕нр╕бр╕Бр╕▒р╕Щр╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╕Вр╕нр╣Ар╕Кр╕┤р╕Нр╕Кр╕зр╕Щр╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕гр╣Ир╕зр╕бр╕Кр╕╕р╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕бр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Юр╕▒р╕Щр╕Шр╕бр╕┤р╕Хр╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Шр╕┤р╕Ыр╣Др╕Хр╕вр╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Бр╕нр╕Ър╕Бр╕╣р╣Йр╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤р╕Ър╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕Зр╕бр╕┤р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕ер╣Ир╕бр╕Ир╕бр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Юр╕гр╣Йр╕нр╕бр╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕╡р╕вр╕З
4. р╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕кр╕│р╣Ар╕гр╣Зр╕Ир╣Гр╕Щр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Йр╕▓р╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕вр╣Гр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Кр╕╕р╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕б р╕лр╕▓р╕Бр╕бр╕╡р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Др╕ер╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Щр╕Бр╕нр╕Зр╕Чр╕▒р╕Юр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щ р╕Вр╕нр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Юр╕╡р╣Ир╕Щр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╕Яр╕▒р╕Зр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Ыр╕Пр╕┤р╕Ър╕▒р╕Хр╕┤р╕Хр╕▓р╕бр╕Др╕│р╕кр╕▒р╣Ир╕Зр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Бр╕▓р╕ир╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╣Ар╕зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Гр╕лр╕Нр╣Ир╕бр╕▒р╕Жр╕зр╕▓р╕Щ р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕бр╕╡р╕зр╕┤р╕Щр╕▒р╕в р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╣Ар╕Др╕гр╣Ир╕Зр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╕Ф
р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Бр╕▓р╕и р╕У р╣Ар╕Кр╣Йр╕▓р╕зр╕▒р╕Щр╕нр╕▒р╕Зр╕Др╕▓р╕гр╕Чр╕╡р╣И 26 р╕кр╕┤р╕Зр╕лр╕▓р╕Др╕б р╕Ю.р╕и. 2551
р╕Юр╕▒р╕Щр╕Шр╕бр╕┤р╕Хр╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Шр╕┤р╕Ыр╣Др╕Хр╕в
Is that a promise?
Good observation, and it includes their thinking from the time at Lumpini park. At the moment, a veritable rebellion (what the constitution calls an attempt to seize power by unconstitutional means) is going on in Bangkok. If it was the military, one would call it coup d’etat…
Is that a promise?
That Italian newspaper commentary of several months ago comparing the aims and tactics of the PAD to Rome’s fascists in the 1920s is lookng more cogent every hour.
Phra Viharn: the dividing line in Thailand
Emil, the other two presentations were mainly just a historical background of the dispute. A key point was that the early 20th century map in dispute (which was agreed to by the Thais at the time) has a border which mistakenly follows the wrong watershed line. The issue has been raised at various times throughout the C20th to promote nationalistic feeling on either side – see Thongchai’s ‘Siam Mapped’ for a good summary of Thai resentment towards the border issue and loss of national pride. As far as I know, there is no claim that the Thais actually built the temple, the claim is that it falls within Thai territory.
In the discussion, there was a persuasive argument from a well-informed ANU academic that the Thai (military) reaction was merely reactionary to events, not politically orchestrated as partly inferred in the presentation. There was also some criticism about the lack of Khmer focus to the presentations – and for my two cents I think it highly likely the dispute was mostly stirred for Cambodian political reasons (the election).