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  1. Kosit: “He said the government would also introduce projects to solve poverty, poor environmental conditions and neglect of elderly people in rural areas.”

    That is the kind of elderly that needs to be shown respect and taken care of. My wife told me that we need to have lots of kids so they can take of us when we are old. I told her, you may be like that, but most young people aren’t like that nowadays.

    There’s a tragedy there waiting to happen. People using up all their money, and not saving adequately for their retirement because they think the kids they raised are going to take care of them. Some of them will, of course.

    As for elderly people in powerful positions, early retirement is the best option since they are the ones, at least in my experience who engage in all sorts of corrupt practices.

    Like a dean who skimmed 50% off the salaries of temp contract workers, purchased an SUV afterwards. Got kicked upstairs after that. The elderly female dean who played a con game with me to trick me out of getting paid even one baht for two 100+ lecture classes, she got kicked upstairs. In fact that’s how the con game ended. Where is the dean? Oh, she’s not dean anymore. (Talk to the new dean) Oh, I’ve never heard anything about it. Cheat, lie, steal. And this elderly female dean looked very trustworthy. I trusted her. She even played in a violin recital with a member of royalty. What really boggles my me is how people like a dean at a university can cheat, lie, and steal and then look themselves in the mirror, as if they’ve done honour to their KIng, which they have not.

    Even the dean of our department got kicked out of another more prestigious university on corruption charges. And Surayud gets all indignant when Thaksin claims that corruption is built into the system. Well, it is. I got cheated and had to leave and am now working in Bangkok far away from my beloved wife, dogs, and mother in law, after working very very hard educating students for two years, and then gettting unceremoniously lied to and kicked out on the street, particularly easy because I was a Farang teacher, and I am hardly the first.

    There’s always a reward for those who will do dirty work. In the female dean who cheated me, in her particular case, a seasoned accounting professor had flunked a lot of students, accounting being a fairly rigid discipline in terms of competent or incompetent. The students came to complain to the female dean (the elderly woman above) and working with a vice-president they applied some suasion to the accounting professor, either pass them, or you won’t teach.

    If Surayud was serious about corruption he would do something about it.

  2. Srithanonchai says:

    nganadeeleg: The point of the German system is not that there is an equal number of constituency and party-list MPs, but that only the votes a party receives on the party list are used to determine that party’s total number of seats (except for the case that a party receives more constituency MPs than it could claim based on the proportional votes; it can keep those excess MPs–but the number must be kept small, otherwise the proportional priciple is undermined).

    In the 2005 elections, the distribution of seats according to the Thai system was TRT 377, DEM 96; Chart Thai 25, and Mahachon 2.

    If the German system of calculating seats based on the proportional votes had been used, the result would have been as follows (roughly): TRT 336, DEM 128, Chart Thai 36. Mahachon would have remained at 2 MPs, because they did not overcome the 5% hurdle and neither received at least 3 constituency MPs. In the latter case, Mahachon’s 4.34 % on the PL would also have counted for calculating the distribution of MPs.

    In short, based on the Thai system, TRT prevailed by 377 to 123 for the opposition altogether, while the German system would have led to 336 to 166, i.e. 502 MPs instead of 500.

    The German system encourages the political parties to present themselves to the voters, be it in terms of their policies or their leaders. Under normal circumstances (non-Thaksin), such an electoral arrangement leads to coalition governments. As with all proportional systems, it most adequately translates the voters’ party preferences into seats. Since the voters have two votes–constituency and party list–they can split them, as was the case in Thailand in 2001 and 2005, among a local constituency candidate who belonged to one party and a differrnt political party on the party list ballot. That allows the voters more choice than merely one vote.

    Finally, the German system uses single-member constituencies, like in the 2001 and 2005 Thai system, but unlike the proposed multi-member system in Thailand. This is because, among other things, the German constitution stipulates that elections must be equal. That is, all voters must have an equal opportunity to contribute with their vote to the composition of parliament.

  3. AFREETHAI says:

    Me too in Thailand and closely observed politics on daily basis.
    And the fact is that i was unhappy to see our former leader had did to medias and people who criticised him. In term of leadership in the democratic style…totally not impressive.

  4. AFREETHAI says:

    Simply, on SETHAKIT PHOPHIANG, it’s just about managing economy with care and shoould not exceed our own limit. Be full first. yes it sounds simple but of coz difficult to follow.
    The King said on the occasion of his brithday celebration (i mean he said this before but not very widely heard and repeated)
    We should remember too that he said this amid the economic crisis.
    The point some may feel sick may be, it is what the King said (again…)
    But we should not go too far so that we forget that even before the King suggested this idea, other academics also had warned powerful leaders in Thailand for free-market econ. without care. Some even had rejected the idea gonged widely on NIC way.

    We should let the ‘opinion’ on the King to blur our vision on fair and just econ. system Thailand should follow or even go so far by absolute acceptance of ‘free-trade market’ the Bigs have been instigating.

  5. ANANTH says:

    More, anyone could recall the case on Sor Siwalaksa case on lese majeste?

  6. ANANTH says:

    Simply, i’d like to say, on the ground that lese majeste is mentioned in the criminal law with details. So it’s not unusual if there’s someone was charged on this case.
    But it depends also on judicial decision, and according to the law of coz.
    So, it’s about legal tradition we, MPs or approved by them, have chosen for almost 100 years.
    IF people do not want to hear the term ‘lese majeste, what they should do then?

  7. Historicus says:

    As a sort of aside from the culturalist commentary, it is interesting to see what Kosit is now reported as saying (via the Bangkok Post, 30 April 2007):

    Kosit says domestic consumption overlooked

    PATTNAPONG CHANTRANONTWONG

    The government’s economic plans rely too heavily on exports, instead of promoting both exports and domestic consumption as envisioned in the “dual-track” approach of deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, Deputy Prime Minister Kosit Panpiemras has admitted.

    The dual-track economy, better known as “Thaksinomics”, was not a wrong or bad economic theory, he said. “But the Thai economy is not yet strong enough to adopt such a method,” Dr Kosit said at a recent briefing with senior journalists.

    “Even Japan still drives its economy by exports,” he noted. Even so, he believes the country should also focus on stimulating consumption to drive economic growth…..

  8. Srithanonchai says:

    Sorry, I am not sure about your point.

  9. nganadeeleg says:

    Some drafters are proposing something like the German electoral system:
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/04/30/politics/politics_30033008.php

    Sounds like an improvement to me – I would be interested in Srithanonchai’s opinion as he is familiar with the German system.

  10. Srithanonchai says:

    nganadeeleg: A constitution is a means to determine the political order of a country, including the rights of the people vis-a-vis the state, not a policy-shopping list. You can push for whatever you find desirable policy-wise in the public political discourse, or member of a political party. The constitution is devised to guarantee this space of policy contestation.

    Personally, I would participate in that space concerning the second point, “create a system to provide for the aged,” because I will soon need it. ๐Ÿ™‚

  11. ANANTH says:

    I do not understand kind of ‘panic atmosphere’ among Thai studies scholars on this occasion.

    IF their works are REALLY or TRULY academic . why do they have to worry too much?

  12. nganadeeleg says:

    Srithanonchai : Which of the following do you find so offensive?

    – revise the tax system to be more equitable;
    – create a system to provide for the aged;
    – amend laws on monopoly in order to provide for free and fair competition.
    – distributing income more fairly;
    – increasing opportunity;
    – promoting the exploitation of local wisdom and Thai wisdom in the creation of products and services;
    – delivering the highest returns to agriculture;
    – ensuring the basic needs of consumers are not obstructed by monopoly business;
    – controlling female and child labour;
    – devising an equitable social security system.

  13. nganadeeleg says:

    Pig Latin said: “Maybe a good topic for the conference would be why there should be more Thai academic streams dedicated to the study of English people. That way even foreign lobbyistโ€™s get a grating!”

    Sounds good – it even fits in with the ‘Transnationalized World’ theme.

  14. Srithanonchai says:

    On Prachatai of April 30, Rangsan Thanapornphan is quoted with a view that mirrors that of Chang Noi:

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    The headline says that the Thai government will be turned into a mere “palat prathet” (permanent secretary of the country). Indeed, the draft constitution contains both a strong element of de-politicization and bureaucratization of the government.

  15. AFREETHAI says:

    OK if you agree with these few notes; according to the constitutions from the past to present, Thailand is constitutional monarchy..then of coz criminal law and other rules must follow this notion. we allow the presence of the king and monarchy from the beginning of the new regime in 1932.
    That’s why there are articles related to royals in the criminal law. That’s the fact right?
    So what i’ve got from previous comments is that some also missed what i mentioned; laws.

    For the case of the Swiss guy charged of lese majeste, what he did was very ambiguous. don’t you think so?
    He could be charged on vandalism but also due to Thai legal notion, what he vandalised was not telephone booth or ads stuffs…but it was about the King; the King image.
    Imagine if that guy destroyed any religious in any temple, of coz he should be charged only on vandalism BUT we don’t have any significant ‘law’ on religion. The guy shouldn’t be charged except on vandalism. ( note that if we have ‘national religion’ from now on, what could happen next.)

    And the fact is b’coz of this amibiguity, he could be pardoned easily.
    Remember the S. Suwalaksa case before, finally he was not guilty.

    So, lese majeste case in the law was drafted traditionally and of coz then authority could charge anyone with it whearas it must be decided later by the court according to the law again.

  16. Srithanonchai says:

    P.S.: In the CDC’s summary of important points as printed in Post Today (April 18) the section on fundamental state policies is headlined:

    1.4) Making the fundamental state policies clear and comprehensive and more binding to the state than before

    That says it all.

  17. Srithanonchai says:

    Constitution: Here is an accurate observation by Chang Noi (The Nation, April 30) on the draft’s section on “Fundamental priciples of state policy.”

    “In short, this is an attempt by a handful of charter drafters to dictate policy. A fundamental principle of parliamentary democracy is that policy-making is the duty of elected representatives who are in some way responsible to their constituency. The 1997 Constitution began this practice of trying to dictate policy to future governments. This draft charter has taken the practice to another, absurd level. This chapter betrays the drafters’ total contempt for the principle of parliamentary democracy.”

    I couln’t agree more.

    Full text at http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/04/30/opinion/opinion_30033003.php

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  19. Pig Latin says:

    During the French revolution, the enlightenment in Versailles wasn’t full of people who had written papers suggesting that lobbing off heads was as morally bankrupt as the royalists themselves. This happened afterwards. Clearly I think that there is not enough hindsight to be able to have an effective political conference. However Thongchai noted that there was an interesting topic by young scholars not anything to do with the present situation… maybe more discussions on this level would make the conference worthwhile. I’m not saying that political issues should be ignored, more that one should be realistic about repression.

  20. Pig Latin says:

    nganadeeleg, surely–

    “who is really behind the push for Buddhism to be named the state religion in the new constitution and what is the motive?”

    ..is too accusatory for it to pass in Thailand as academic discussion?? I mean, nobody is on trial yet! haha. Perhaps it would be better as a conspiracy dvd.

    This conference will be about how subtly one can insult as many metropolitan people as possible without directly saying anything at all.

    Maybe a good topic for the conference would be why there should be more Thai academic streams dedicated to the study of English people. That way even foreign lobbyistโ€™s get a grating!