Amen to that. True it’s all been by the grace of the ‘benevolent’ military dictatorship embarking Gorbachev fashion on the path of reform for its own reasons as the Chinese road map closed and the Indonesian one beckoned.
True also …from the mountains of eastern Shan State to the swamps of northern Rakhine. People who have rarely felt included in Myanmar’s national project will be looking for reason to celebrate this result and hope for a better future. Their longstanding grievances about exclusion, chauvinism and conflict will take time to remedy. But a government elected by the people has a much better chance of writing a new chapter in the country’s history.
To paraphrase Alexis de Tocqueville a reforming govt is at its most vulnerable, and this has been the case from glasnost and perestroika to the Burmese Way to Democracy. The generals appear to have painted themselves into a corner, and found themselves locked into the process. Talk about best laid plans and unintended consequences.
Whether the Lady can find her own road map out of our generals’ Order Baru cum Reformasi process is another story about to unfold.
Bearing in mind the Indonesian precedent in history, can we hope to hold the military keep up its end of the ‘bargain’?
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Many thanks for an article that correctly highlighted the crucial pieces that make up the Burmese jigsaw.
No surprises in the fact that military installations voted overwhelmingly for the USDP, unless you’ve never heard of the senior officers ordering the rank and file who they must vote for, and the troops weeping for this cruel injustice being treated like slaves deprived of their democratic right that came only once in a generation.
ASSK as the woman of destiny must now fulfil her mandate. The myriad peoples of Burma, mainstream and ethnic, not least the persecuted and disenfranchised minorities in their public statements to the media, have spoken and entrusted their future in the hands of one woman, never mind the polls weren’t direct presidential elections.
The precedents provided by other women of destiny from similar political dynasties and the hope of nations, namely Cory Aquino, Megawati Sukarnoputri and heaven forfend Benazir Bhutto, however are far from very encouraging.
Yes, this is a very good contribution. The laws of Thailand tend to be of the “Toyota must give way to Mercedes” type, in other words a codification of the interests of the powerful. But remember that this is probably how laws originated everywhere. In the first world they have evolved towards a codification of the public interest. The cause is probably universal literacy, which has enabled people to fall under the control of abstract rules rather than patronage. In Australia, the political crisis of 1975 was the result of relics in our constitution which put the interest of the monarchy and its cronies above that of the public.
FRR you obviously have no clue. If you are in Bangkok or anywhere else in Thailand, strike a conversation with any Thai to inquire about what the inane ‘worse consequences of overlooking the playboy prince in favor of his more-regarded sister …” that Mr. Paul Sanderson authoritatively concluded, citing his article as a “collaboration between New Mandala and Policy Forum, Asia and the Pacific’s platform for analysis and discussion on public policy” just to make sure everyone understands the ‘deep research’ behind thereof.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been calling for the end of FMG in the Islamic World for 20 years to no avail. The level of misogyny among male Muslims remains as high as ever, and such practices happen in Muslim communities in the West. In places like Aceh and rural Malay areas in Malaysia, it is common practice. As Ayaan correctly states: “This is not a cultural tradition; this is not a religious tradition; this is not a ‘rite of passage’ and this is not an issue of hygiene; it is, plain and simple, sexual abuse, male domination, perversion of cultural and religious beliefs, and most of all, the de-empowerment of female self-esteem. Given that Ayaan has had such experiences in her native Somalia (and the courage to openly discuss it), if asked to choose between Ayaan’s ‘version’ of reality and any average Imam’s in Muslim Southeast Asia, I think it’s a no brainer. FMG is sexual abuse; it is rape; and it is repulsive beyond any measure. All you Leftist women Professors who jump through hoops to defend this as “cultural relativism”, I strongly invite you to “have a cut”…..and then see who “relative” it is.
To those who think you can split Shari’a Law into “better and not so good Law”, like King Solomon’s baby, I also welcome you to get your body painfully savaged.
This is an excellent contribution. It makes the case that “democracy” is little more than a slogan intended to persuade foreign investment. It also explains the fury that greeted those impudent people who thought it may actually mean democracy, especially for the Northeast and North.
Fred Riggs gave this same issue of “the revolving constitutions” of Thailand considerable attention almost half a century ago. He noted, “To political scientists who regard written constitutions as serious statements of the rules of the game, the parade of revolving charters under which the Thai government has operated since 1932 must appear astonishing indeed.” (Riggs, 1966, p.152)
Further in the same section, he interprets the political theatre enacted around the rapid appearance of new constitutions, thus: “Clearly these constitutional documents cannot be taken seriously as binding statements of the rules of the political game, as expressions of fundamental law. It is apparent that, whenever important shifts in the personnel of the ruling circle took place, the previous charter was suspended to permit the promulgation of new rules more compatible with the interests and inclinations of the winning group. The rules, no doubt, were followed, but only as they proved convenient for the power holders. Constitutionalism was not designed so much to constrain the rulers as to facilitate their rule. The charters, in other words, did not prescribe the effective norms of political behavior, but were used to cast a cloak of legitimacy over the operations of succeeding rulers and to set the stage for a play to be enacted by the extrabureaucratic performers – parliaments, political parties, electors. These performers played their parts, most of the time in cheerful conformity with the prescribed scenarios, although between 1945 and 1947 they almost succeeded in inverting roles with their bureaucratic protagonists. Had they really succeeded, the subsequent political history of Thailand may have been quite different.
As it was, Siamese political parties and parliaments were largely used to legitimize decisions previously taken in the bureaucracy by a ruling circle of military and civil service politicians. To some degree, these constitutional devices also provided a safety vent for criticism of the group in power, although this outlet could always be closed whenever the cries of protest became too vehement, or when those in power began to feel uneasy about the safety of their offices.” (Riggs, 1966, p.152-3).
Riggs, F. W. (1966). Thailand: The Modernization of a Bureaucratic Polity. (Honululu: East-West Center Press).
Given the many useful insights Riggs provides in his interpretation of past events and processes that seem to me, at least, to bear a close resemblance to the present, I would have thought it is probably a fine moment for political scientists and historians to revisit his work and see if there are still lessons to be learned in today’s context.
Headlines like “Thailand’s Rocky Road to Democracy” tend to imply that attaining a state of “democracy” is part of a linear process that Thailand is inevitably travelling towards, despite obstacles along the way, and is aspired to by all, rather than just one of several potential outcomes. Rather it seems to have rapidly been losing favour as desirable or attainable, at least with those holding the reigns of power during recent years, which must open the door to alternative explanations and interpretations of the Thai polity, some of which have been explored here on NM in 2015 I note.
@Rudy Harahap: It seems that this follow-up statement was released because the Indonesian media created a strawman (saying that Buehler claimed USD 80k had been paid by Widodo to meet Obama. Buehler never said this), which was then “denied” by the Indonesian govenrment.
“The best way to prevent abuses by those elected to power is to strengthen democratic institutions, foster a free press and hold consistent elections where the people can vote corrupt politicians out.”
Thailand is a developing country and thus unsuited to factional ‘democracy’, that’s why Thais are so relaxed about shutting down the worthless political farce and putting someone decisive in charge.
In your first article, you have already mentioned the potential link of Pereira to Luhut Panjaitan. So no need to explain more about this. To Indonesian media, Luhut has also argued the need of budget for lobbying in the future. It indicates the (personal) instruction to Pereira to make a contract with the US-based contractor.
There is a possibility that the cost could be covered by the government if the parliament agree. However, if the government could not pay the cost, then it becomes a lost game for Periera. Periera might be has anticipated about this risk and he only sees the cost as a penny ‘friendship’ cost with an Indonesian official (it is only $80,000!). If he is lucky, the cost would be covered with more big opportunity in the future since he has a good relationship with an Indonesian official.
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I think that this is one of the problems of understanding Indonesian people using western perspective. When people gave negative comments to the article, we could not go directly to a conclusion that Indonesian people or media do not agree totally with what have been written or said by the scholar. Sometimes, Indonesian people love to give comments to an issue and share them to other people so that other people, the government, or their friends pay more attention with the issue. That is why you could not understanding Indonesian people’s perspectives only from the text that have been written by them. You should interview, talk, or making conversations with them directly to understand their real perspectives or opinions to an issue. Indonesian people love to hide their real perspectives in a written or text-based communication. You can understand more their perspectives from their mimics when being interviewed.
So please be careful when you making conclusions related to the opinions or reactions of Indonesian people to your articles.
Getting to grips with the future
Amen to that. True it’s all been by the grace of the ‘benevolent’ military dictatorship embarking Gorbachev fashion on the path of reform for its own reasons as the Chinese road map closed and the Indonesian one beckoned.
True also …from the mountains of eastern Shan State to the swamps of northern Rakhine. People who have rarely felt included in Myanmar’s national project will be looking for reason to celebrate this result and hope for a better future. Their longstanding grievances about exclusion, chauvinism and conflict will take time to remedy. But a government elected by the people has a much better chance of writing a new chapter in the country’s history.
To paraphrase Alexis de Tocqueville a reforming govt is at its most vulnerable, and this has been the case from glasnost and perestroika to the Burmese Way to Democracy. The generals appear to have painted themselves into a corner, and found themselves locked into the process. Talk about best laid plans and unintended consequences.
Whether the Lady can find her own road map out of our generals’ Order Baru cum Reformasi process is another story about to unfold.
Bearing in mind the Indonesian precedent in history, can we hope to hold the military keep up its end of the ‘bargain’?
Review of Finding Their Voice
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Thailand’s rocky road to democracy
“This all indicates the 20th Thai constitution will more likely err towards dictatorship rather than democracy.”
We come to New Mandala for profundity like this???
Southeast Asian snapshots
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Hope, division and the vote
Many thanks for an article that correctly highlighted the crucial pieces that make up the Burmese jigsaw.
No surprises in the fact that military installations voted overwhelmingly for the USDP, unless you’ve never heard of the senior officers ordering the rank and file who they must vote for, and the troops weeping for this cruel injustice being treated like slaves deprived of their democratic right that came only once in a generation.
ASSK as the woman of destiny must now fulfil her mandate. The myriad peoples of Burma, mainstream and ethnic, not least the persecuted and disenfranchised minorities in their public statements to the media, have spoken and entrusted their future in the hands of one woman, never mind the polls weren’t direct presidential elections.
The precedents provided by other women of destiny from similar political dynasties and the hope of nations, namely Cory Aquino, Megawati Sukarnoputri and heaven forfend Benazir Bhutto, however are far from very encouraging.
Lobbyist questions still unanswered
Hi @Risma, re the Indonesian media, I wrote my comment on this link
http://www.newmandala.org/2015/11/15/pernyataan-mendukung-michael-buehler/#comment-1926289
Thailand’s rocky road to democracy
Yes, this is a very good contribution. The laws of Thailand tend to be of the “Toyota must give way to Mercedes” type, in other words a codification of the interests of the powerful. But remember that this is probably how laws originated everywhere. In the first world they have evolved towards a codification of the public interest. The cause is probably universal literacy, which has enabled people to fall under the control of abstract rules rather than patronage. In Australia, the political crisis of 1975 was the result of relics in our constitution which put the interest of the monarchy and its cronies above that of the public.
Thailand’s rocky road to democracy
FRR you obviously have no clue. If you are in Bangkok or anywhere else in Thailand, strike a conversation with any Thai to inquire about what the inane ‘worse consequences of overlooking the playboy prince in favor of his more-regarded sister …” that Mr. Paul Sanderson authoritatively concluded, citing his article as a “collaboration between New Mandala and Policy Forum, Asia and the Pacific’s platform for analysis and discussion on public policy” just to make sure everyone understands the ‘deep research’ behind thereof.
The cruelest cut
Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been calling for the end of FMG in the Islamic World for 20 years to no avail. The level of misogyny among male Muslims remains as high as ever, and such practices happen in Muslim communities in the West. In places like Aceh and rural Malay areas in Malaysia, it is common practice. As Ayaan correctly states: “This is not a cultural tradition; this is not a religious tradition; this is not a ‘rite of passage’ and this is not an issue of hygiene; it is, plain and simple, sexual abuse, male domination, perversion of cultural and religious beliefs, and most of all, the de-empowerment of female self-esteem. Given that Ayaan has had such experiences in her native Somalia (and the courage to openly discuss it), if asked to choose between Ayaan’s ‘version’ of reality and any average Imam’s in Muslim Southeast Asia, I think it’s a no brainer. FMG is sexual abuse; it is rape; and it is repulsive beyond any measure. All you Leftist women Professors who jump through hoops to defend this as “cultural relativism”, I strongly invite you to “have a cut”…..and then see who “relative” it is.
To those who think you can split Shari’a Law into “better and not so good Law”, like King Solomon’s baby, I also welcome you to get your body painfully savaged.
Statement of support for Michael Buehler
I thought it was New Mandala’s (& ANU’s on the ground coverage) that put Jokowi in power in the first place — with articles such as this.
http://www.newmandala.org/2014/07/10/prabowos-game-plan/
Thailand’s rocky road to democracy
This is an excellent contribution. It makes the case that “democracy” is little more than a slogan intended to persuade foreign investment. It also explains the fury that greeted those impudent people who thought it may actually mean democracy, especially for the Northeast and North.
Thailand’s rocky road to democracy
Fred Riggs gave this same issue of “the revolving constitutions” of Thailand considerable attention almost half a century ago. He noted, “To political scientists who regard written constitutions as serious statements of the rules of the game, the parade of revolving charters under which the Thai government has operated since 1932 must appear astonishing indeed.” (Riggs, 1966, p.152)
Further in the same section, he interprets the political theatre enacted around the rapid appearance of new constitutions, thus: “Clearly these constitutional documents cannot be taken seriously as binding statements of the rules of the political game, as expressions of fundamental law. It is apparent that, whenever important shifts in the personnel of the ruling circle took place, the previous charter was suspended to permit the promulgation of new rules more compatible with the interests and inclinations of the winning group. The rules, no doubt, were followed, but only as they proved convenient for the power holders. Constitutionalism was not designed so much to constrain the rulers as to facilitate their rule. The charters, in other words, did not prescribe the effective norms of political behavior, but were used to cast a cloak of legitimacy over the operations of succeeding rulers and to set the stage for a play to be enacted by the extrabureaucratic performers – parliaments, political parties, electors. These performers played their parts, most of the time in cheerful conformity with the prescribed scenarios, although between 1945 and 1947 they almost succeeded in inverting roles with their bureaucratic protagonists. Had they really succeeded, the subsequent political history of Thailand may have been quite different.
As it was, Siamese political parties and parliaments were largely used to legitimize decisions previously taken in the bureaucracy by a ruling circle of military and civil service politicians. To some degree, these constitutional devices also provided a safety vent for criticism of the group in power, although this outlet could always be closed whenever the cries of protest became too vehement, or when those in power began to feel uneasy about the safety of their offices.” (Riggs, 1966, p.152-3).
Riggs, F. W. (1966). Thailand: The Modernization of a Bureaucratic Polity. (Honululu: East-West Center Press).
Given the many useful insights Riggs provides in his interpretation of past events and processes that seem to me, at least, to bear a close resemblance to the present, I would have thought it is probably a fine moment for political scientists and historians to revisit his work and see if there are still lessons to be learned in today’s context.
Headlines like “Thailand’s Rocky Road to Democracy” tend to imply that attaining a state of “democracy” is part of a linear process that Thailand is inevitably travelling towards, despite obstacles along the way, and is aspired to by all, rather than just one of several potential outcomes. Rather it seems to have rapidly been losing favour as desirable or attainable, at least with those holding the reigns of power during recent years, which must open the door to alternative explanations and interpretations of the Thai polity, some of which have been explored here on NM in 2015 I note.
Thailand’s rocky road to democracy
Boonrawd – be interested to know where you get your “prevailing Thai consensus from”?
Lobbyist questions still unanswered
@Rudy Harahap: It seems that this follow-up statement was released because the Indonesian media created a strawman (saying that Buehler claimed USD 80k had been paid by Widodo to meet Obama. Buehler never said this), which was then “denied” by the Indonesian govenrment.
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Thailand’s rocky road to democracy
“The best way to prevent abuses by those elected to power is to strengthen democratic institutions, foster a free press and hold consistent elections where the people can vote corrupt politicians out.”
Thailand is a developing country and thus unsuited to factional ‘democracy’, that’s why Thais are so relaxed about shutting down the worthless political farce and putting someone decisive in charge.
Lobbyist questions still unanswered
Hi Michael,
In your first article, you have already mentioned the potential link of Pereira to Luhut Panjaitan. So no need to explain more about this. To Indonesian media, Luhut has also argued the need of budget for lobbying in the future. It indicates the (personal) instruction to Pereira to make a contract with the US-based contractor.
There is a possibility that the cost could be covered by the government if the parliament agree. However, if the government could not pay the cost, then it becomes a lost game for Periera. Periera might be has anticipated about this risk and he only sees the cost as a penny ‘friendship’ cost with an Indonesian official (it is only $80,000!). If he is lucky, the cost would be covered with more big opportunity in the future since he has a good relationship with an Indonesian official.
So, it’s just about the way doing business.
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Pernyataan mendukung Michael Buehler
Hi all,
I think that this is one of the problems of understanding Indonesian people using western perspective. When people gave negative comments to the article, we could not go directly to a conclusion that Indonesian people or media do not agree totally with what have been written or said by the scholar. Sometimes, Indonesian people love to give comments to an issue and share them to other people so that other people, the government, or their friends pay more attention with the issue. That is why you could not understanding Indonesian people’s perspectives only from the text that have been written by them. You should interview, talk, or making conversations with them directly to understand their real perspectives or opinions to an issue. Indonesian people love to hide their real perspectives in a written or text-based communication. You can understand more their perspectives from their mimics when being interviewed.
So please be careful when you making conclusions related to the opinions or reactions of Indonesian people to your articles.