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Its common knowledge that lobbyist make life more simple, for anything to do with the US Government or Congress. So the use of lobbyist in the US? No Big Deal!!
And I agree with Lena that there is “good value for money” here: USD 80 Thousand for USD 20 Billion !!
To me its a shame that a respected academician should write such petty story for Jokowi’s political opponents.
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It is like reading a magical adventure of tashi and the phoenix. The people of Burma outwit the warlords and generals with the help of a dazzling Phoenix to put the country on the right track to democratic transition.
Historically, the country was never in perfect form in terms of respect for fundamental values – freedom and rule of laws.
To break away from that history requires a magical solution to centuries of chaos and confusions. At least it seems that way.
That said of history, a constitutional monarchy of some forms, DASSK seems to suggest as a way forward to the constitutional dilemmas preventing her standing for presidency.
Please bring the British back to Burma or we will all end up with President Moe Aung, surely a recipe for humor, if nothing worse (Plan B has undergone Reformasi, but I have doubts about Moe here).
so the ANU should not be practicing academic freedom? you would rather not know about this contract for lobbying on behalf of Indonesia? what other contracts are out there, who ordered them, whether they have been effective/good value for money, etc?
And for that well-written and entirely accurate paragraph, you must pay dearly, Mr Tonkin. You are not in Myanmar, sadly, but in the Kafaesque and Orwellian (allegory intended) realm of academic ideologists and not historians, diplomats and objective political scientists. This is Chomsky country, not Toynbee land…….sadly. It should be just enough to know that you are right and you are not the one that need answer for their mendacity.
well, the govt of indonesia employs boatloads of consultants in-country, or funding agencies employ them for the govt. look at any major govt product, e.g. spatial plans, law and regulation, white papers, what have you. consultants lead and govt personnel, errr, oversee? supervise? sign off? i myself do not have a trouble believing that a lobbying group has been hired. it’s even ok that public funds have been used. if even a small part of the $20 billion new investment are due to the lobbyists’ work, then great, that’s good value for money! more should’ve been spent! 😀
so, back to the evidence on hand. if the document is not a fake, then who hired pereira. kemlu has denied, but any good outcome from the consultancy would benefit kemlu, they are to gain if the visit is seen as a success. however, i doubt they are that organized. even the rebuttal letter is off, it’s as if they didn’t read this article, by focusing on the obama/whitehouse aspect – is that what they think is the most important part of the US visit? if yes, then we are in trouble indeed.
bottom line, it would be interesting to know who hired those guys. the guy/gal should be given a raise for showing initiative, and a bigger budget. 😀
errr, no, not to meet obama. read the article and click on the links. don’t be like kemlu who does not seem to understand what is being raised here, which is that they have hired consultants to do work which they should have done.
In my latest comment dated 4 November on the Yale IHRC report, I concluded by saying:
“None of what I have written above seeks in any way to minimise the misfortunes of the Rohingya people. The Internal Report of the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights dated April 2013 on Human Rights Issues in Rakhine State, which has recently been made public, highlights beyond any reasonable doubt the level of discrimination and persecution which the Rohingya had then been suffering and in considerable measure continue to suffer, though there has fortunately been no outbreak of serious communal violence for well over a year. The danger of the Yale IHRC report is that its inaccuracies, omissions and exaggerations undermine the very message of support for the Rohingya people which it is seeking to convey. This does not help the Rohingya one little bit to secure the justice, citizenship and basic human rights to which they are so fully entitled.”
In a statement on 18 June 1948 the highly respected Sultan Ahmed MP, President of the Jamiat-e-Ulema North Arakan, applauded the instruction by Prime Minister U Nu that the designation “Chittagonians” should not be used to describe the Muslims of North Arakan and that they should be called “Arakanese Muslims” or “Burmese Muslims”. What was good enough for Sultan Ahmed is good enough for me.
Thanks for the article, though I do not understand AGA’s attacks on Tonkin: it was not he who problematised the term ‘Rohinggya’, but Leider, arguably the best and only (western) specialist on Rakhine. If you attack Tonkin as a western middle class meddler, so surely is Yale and other western voices….?!
Regarding genocide: the term is being used far too loosely recently, though it has a very precise definition. Not every instance of ‘communal violence’ (lovely term, Soe Win Han, no doubt borrowed from India, where they have a lot of experience with this!) is genocide, as India would be the first country to demonstrate. If you call every instance of intergroup violence and state persecution genocide, you might in the end overlook the real thing…
I can only endorse Tim Frewer’s comment. If not all groups are included, what is the difference between former cease-fires and the NCA, especially since Trevor then advocates a return to what has gone before: separate agreements with individual groups. The difference seems to be one of degree, not of substance.
On another note: to take the 2002 cease-fire between the Sinhalese government and the LTTE and Norway’s involvement as a positive example is, to say the least, surprising. That agreement lasted just about four years, if you look at it generously, and its disastrous end is known. This, although all the right measures seemed to be in place: development assistance, round table talks, third-party monitoring of the cease-fire and other outside involvement….Right now, what is happening in Sri Lanka is precisely ‘cease-fire capitalism’, or better, ‘pacification capitalism’ in the Northern areas which does little to help the population there. Sorry to be so defeatist, but that is how it is.
if both Indonesia & United States denied the involvement of Paraiera and R&R, and from the fact from the Document stated both of these companies did some Lobying Job for President Jokowi for $80k, and since they the Indonesian Govt denied to use their services, then Both of these companies involved in illegal activities and scam
Indonesian Govt must sue Pereira International for using President Widodo’s name in the document and use his name for “illegal lobying” or “Selling Widodo’s name” without the acknowledgment of Indonesian Govt
US Govt must investigate both Pereira International and R&R for money laundering since the fund involved already “transferred” but there was no activities described in the document ever happened
if Both Govt don’t take further step under legal Procedure & law, then this will be “big Blunder” for both Govt
I know this (because I was somewhat involved): when Obama visited Indonesia two times, the US govt put full respect to Indonesian govt.
They would like to have further cooperation with Indonesia, as they regard Indonesia as important partner (look at Asia, and everybody will know Indonesia’s position).
I met Hillary’s staff two times in Jakarta and Bali before and after Obama’s visit.
Moreover, if you are familiar with Foreign affairs and diplomacy protocols, you will understand why I said “unbelievable” if a President needs a private broker company to have an official Presidential meeting.
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Waiting in the White House lobby
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Waiting in the White House lobby
[…] Obama ditulis akademisi dari Australia National University, Dr Michael Buehler, dan dimuat di laman http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au dengan judul Waiting in The White House […]
Waiting in the White House lobby
[…] Obama ditulis akademisi dari Australia National University, Dr Michael Buehler, dan dimuat di laman http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au dengan judul Waiting in The White House […]
Waiting in the White House lobby
Its common knowledge that lobbyist make life more simple, for anything to do with the US Government or Congress. So the use of lobbyist in the US? No Big Deal!!
And I agree with Lena that there is “good value for money” here: USD 80 Thousand for USD 20 Billion !!
To me its a shame that a respected academician should write such petty story for Jokowi’s political opponents.
Waiting in the White House lobby
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The peace deal and the vote
[…] fellow in the ANU Coral Bell School of Asia Pacific Affairs. This article was first published on New Mandala and is reproduced here with their kind permission. Thanks for rating this! Now tell the world […]
A press conference and the vote
It is like reading a magical adventure of tashi and the phoenix. The people of Burma outwit the warlords and generals with the help of a dazzling Phoenix to put the country on the right track to democratic transition.
Historically, the country was never in perfect form in terms of respect for fundamental values – freedom and rule of laws.
To break away from that history requires a magical solution to centuries of chaos and confusions. At least it seems that way.
That said of history, a constitutional monarchy of some forms, DASSK seems to suggest as a way forward to the constitutional dilemmas preventing her standing for presidency.
The problem is there is no heir to her legacies.
Waiting in the White House lobby
Agree, me too.. I would like to have one ЁЯШЬ
Ethnic conflict and the vote
Please bring the British back to Burma or we will all end up with President Moe Aung, surely a recipe for humor, if nothing worse (Plan B has undergone Reformasi, but I have doubts about Moe here).
Waiting in the White House lobby
so the ANU should not be practicing academic freedom? you would rather not know about this contract for lobbying on behalf of Indonesia? what other contracts are out there, who ordered them, whether they have been effective/good value for money, etc?
Private: Genocide and the vote
Dear Mr Tonkin,
And for that well-written and entirely accurate paragraph, you must pay dearly, Mr Tonkin. You are not in Myanmar, sadly, but in the Kafaesque and Orwellian (allegory intended) realm of academic ideologists and not historians, diplomats and objective political scientists. This is Chomsky country, not Toynbee land…….sadly. It should be just enough to know that you are right and you are not the one that need answer for their mendacity.
Waiting in the White House lobby
well, the govt of indonesia employs boatloads of consultants in-country, or funding agencies employ them for the govt. look at any major govt product, e.g. spatial plans, law and regulation, white papers, what have you. consultants lead and govt personnel, errr, oversee? supervise? sign off? i myself do not have a trouble believing that a lobbying group has been hired. it’s even ok that public funds have been used. if even a small part of the $20 billion new investment are due to the lobbyists’ work, then great, that’s good value for money! more should’ve been spent! 😀
so, back to the evidence on hand. if the document is not a fake, then who hired pereira. kemlu has denied, but any good outcome from the consultancy would benefit kemlu, they are to gain if the visit is seen as a success. however, i doubt they are that organized. even the rebuttal letter is off, it’s as if they didn’t read this article, by focusing on the obama/whitehouse aspect – is that what they think is the most important part of the US visit? if yes, then we are in trouble indeed.
bottom line, it would be interesting to know who hired those guys. the guy/gal should be given a raise for showing initiative, and a bigger budget. 😀
Waiting in the White House lobby
errr, no, not to meet obama. read the article and click on the links. don’t be like kemlu who does not seem to understand what is being raised here, which is that they have hired consultants to do work which they should have done.
Private: Genocide and the vote
In my latest comment dated 4 November on the Yale IHRC report, I concluded by saying:
“None of what I have written above seeks in any way to minimise the misfortunes of the Rohingya people. The Internal Report of the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights dated April 2013 on Human Rights Issues in Rakhine State, which has recently been made public, highlights beyond any reasonable doubt the level of discrimination and persecution which the Rohingya had then been suffering and in considerable measure continue to suffer, though there has fortunately been no outbreak of serious communal violence for well over a year. The danger of the Yale IHRC report is that its inaccuracies, omissions and exaggerations undermine the very message of support for the Rohingya people which it is seeking to convey. This does not help the Rohingya one little bit to secure the justice, citizenship and basic human rights to which they are so fully entitled.”
In a statement on 18 June 1948 the highly respected Sultan Ahmed MP, President of the Jamiat-e-Ulema North Arakan, applauded the instruction by Prime Minister U Nu that the designation “Chittagonians” should not be used to describe the Muslims of North Arakan and that they should be called “Arakanese Muslims” or “Burmese Muslims”. What was good enough for Sultan Ahmed is good enough for me.
Waiting in the White House lobby
so what about this story http://www.papua.us/2015/10/pertemuan-jokowi-obama-dan-pembahasan-ptfi.html … is there any binding parts that we dont know on that meeting???
Private: Genocide and the vote
Thanks for the article, though I do not understand AGA’s attacks on Tonkin: it was not he who problematised the term ‘Rohinggya’, but Leider, arguably the best and only (western) specialist on Rakhine. If you attack Tonkin as a western middle class meddler, so surely is Yale and other western voices….?!
Regarding genocide: the term is being used far too loosely recently, though it has a very precise definition. Not every instance of ‘communal violence’ (lovely term, Soe Win Han, no doubt borrowed from India, where they have a lot of experience with this!) is genocide, as India would be the first country to demonstrate. If you call every instance of intergroup violence and state persecution genocide, you might in the end overlook the real thing…
The peace deal and the vote
I can only endorse Tim Frewer’s comment. If not all groups are included, what is the difference between former cease-fires and the NCA, especially since Trevor then advocates a return to what has gone before: separate agreements with individual groups. The difference seems to be one of degree, not of substance.
On another note: to take the 2002 cease-fire between the Sinhalese government and the LTTE and Norway’s involvement as a positive example is, to say the least, surprising. That agreement lasted just about four years, if you look at it generously, and its disastrous end is known. This, although all the right measures seemed to be in place: development assistance, round table talks, third-party monitoring of the cease-fire and other outside involvement….Right now, what is happening in Sri Lanka is precisely ‘cease-fire capitalism’, or better, ‘pacification capitalism’ in the Northern areas which does little to help the population there. Sorry to be so defeatist, but that is how it is.
Waiting in the White House lobby
if both Indonesia & United States denied the involvement of Paraiera and R&R, and from the fact from the Document stated both of these companies did some Lobying Job for President Jokowi for $80k, and since they the Indonesian Govt denied to use their services, then Both of these companies involved in illegal activities and scam
Indonesian Govt must sue Pereira International for using President Widodo’s name in the document and use his name for “illegal lobying” or “Selling Widodo’s name” without the acknowledgment of Indonesian Govt
US Govt must investigate both Pereira International and R&R for money laundering since the fund involved already “transferred” but there was no activities described in the document ever happened
if Both Govt don’t take further step under legal Procedure & law, then this will be “big Blunder” for both Govt
Waiting in the White House lobby
I know this (because I was somewhat involved): when Obama visited Indonesia two times, the US govt put full respect to Indonesian govt.
They would like to have further cooperation with Indonesia, as they regard Indonesia as important partner (look at Asia, and everybody will know Indonesia’s position).
I met Hillary’s staff two times in Jakarta and Bali before and after Obama’s visit.
Moreover, if you are familiar with Foreign affairs and diplomacy protocols, you will understand why I said “unbelievable” if a President needs a private broker company to have an official Presidential meeting.
Waiting in the White House lobby
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