It’s useful to distinguish between the rulers and the ruled although admittedly foreign relations are determined by the former with strong Machiavellian tendencies as they do the world over. There is however no love lost between the ordinary Burmese and their big neighbour guilty of propping up the military yoke, likewise between factory workers and their laoban employers in Burma’s new industrial landscape.
You underestimate Burmese nationalism manifest in both the rulers and the ruled at your peril, and China is certainly mindful of that. It has secured itself official presence in tackling Wa and Kokang affairs on account of its long border with Burma where these groups inhabit and look for support (the Japanese and others too are involved in the ‘peace process’).
The economies are too intertwined (thick as thieves at a certain rarefied level) to unravel at least in the near future unless the generals’ new best friends from the West really step up to the plate which in turn depends on a business climate conducive to a certain level. So it may be a while yet but the political temperature is climbing by the day with the elections just round the corber.
This was a very interesting read and I appreciate your analysis. I know nothing about sporting culture in S.E. Asia but am not at all surprised the various nationalisms and regionalisms are in the mix. I’m curious what you think about more recent Lao attempts to somewhat dissociate Lao nationalism from Vietnamese-style socialist nationalism. I’m talking about the tendency in the early to mid 2000s (and today?) to dust off royal figures from the distant Lao past, e.g. the massive Fa Ngum and other statues in Vientiane, in order to create a parallel with Thai-style royalist nationalism. What might that add to the picture in this case?
Isn’t this kind of misleading since Malaysia and Singapore pushed boats back to sea early on? I met a Viet khieu last week whose boat was pushed back by the Malaysians in the late 1970s (“It could have been worse; they gave us water and we ended up in Indonesia”).
It became very dangerous in Thai waters too with “pirates” boarding boats, raping women, etc. As a result, a lot of Vietnamese boats, especially from the north, aimed for Hong Kong. In the early 1990s, 20,000 were still coming into Hong Kong. Due to the currents, they’d all come in within a very short time early in the year.
It is a bit too dangerous for people to talk openly about how deeply the cunning Chinese (including some from Singapore) are involved in Burmese politics. Transparency is not a Chinese characteristic, but bribery and bullying are! Even Hillary Clinton got into trouble a few days ago by tweeting that Jinping Xi is “shameless”. By the way, politics has a lot to do with dirty money, not just in Burma and China. I’m with Pope Francis on this LOL
What a surprise international development attempts become distorted and skewed.
RoL is like a broken record in Burma from as early as the caretaker govt of Ne Win in 1958 – yellow signs of “Law and Order First and Foremost” were ubiquitous. And an organisation called Kyant Khaing Yay or Strength as in the Burmese version of Solidarity in the name USDP was also set up with the lion’s head on vests (no T shirts in those days and the fasces out of fashion).
A glaring oversight – who defines “peace, stability, and the rule of law”, and so far all in aid of buttressing their stranglehold, the dead hand of the military elite on the tiller of society.
As the path of ‘reforms and democratisation’ became mandatory for another lease of life for the ruling generals ‘meddlesome foreigners’ are now being allowed in and tolerated. Whether they’ll be listened to with enthusiasm or ill grace is quite another matter. Needs must nonetheless.
By the same token INGOs and state players must keep up with the pressure with a carrot and stick approach or dual policy as a key player the Obama administration called it. Not so long ago the US was the bully boy Nga Pwa Gyi.
Don’t forget this elephant in the room is a rogue playing all contrite and tamed. Believe it at your peril. If a semblance of democratisation and rule of law is all you require to join the New World Order and capitalist globalisation, you did it already. Bravo!
Do all these foreign “intermediaries” and scholars like Ms Simion speak and read Burmese fluently? Otherwise it will all be lost or at least distorted in translation, unless of course you are Chinese or some junta crony, coz then you don’t care about the rule of law in Burma. Just wanna make some dough, no need for “complex reform processes”, “hidden power struggles”, “foreign distrust” etc. etc.
Unlike the whites and the rohingyas, Chinese are not considered to be “foreign intermediaries” in Burma. They actually control not just the economy but also politics, such as the so-called “ethnic strife” and “ceasefire agreements” in Burma LOL
Rosie, I’m disappointed that you didn’t find it necesssary to attend the demonstration against Prayutt in NYC. Your ghostwriter’s stridency, disseminations, half-truths, and prevarications should have made you think it pertinent to your attendance. At the very least, you should have sent your ghostwriter.
An op-ed in Kompas today by Salahuddin Wahid suggested that a reason for the killings by members of NU was the fear that if they refused orders from the army they in turn would be branded PKI sympathizers. While some elements of NU remain defiant in their defense of the massacres, others like Wahid attempt to shift the blame.
There is nothing resembling “vague ideas about national identity, religious inconsistency, and far-right ideology” in Europe.
We, in Europe, have very clear ideas of our national identities and have gone to war several times to preserve it. Likewise, the only inconsistency in dealing with religious issues is that we have been far too lenient in allowing Muslims to infiltrate our Christian societies and use our democratic values against us to bring about Sharia-based Islamic communities of the most virulent kind on our European shores.
If you think that is right-wing, sir, then be warned that the fight-back has started.
That is just great – part of your job is armchair quarterbacking the news people like us are doing on the ground. Don’t we love that… 😉
And as we now seem to enter a my-dick-is-bigger-than-yours contest – i have lived 2 1/2 years in a village without any road access, only way out was by boat. I have built up a farm in the north, and i do not live in a Sukhumvit highrise, but a small wooden house in a normal Thai neighborhood, which is like a village in many ways, as residential Bangkok is a collection of countless little villages in culture, lifestyle and social mechanics. And no, no aircon either.
And no, before we go any further here – i have not involved the monarchy in this discussion. Accusing me of such is an attempted slander. Well, and it shows that you have the approximate attention span of a goldfish. Because i haven’t done that, which seemed to have escaped you attention.
And it seems that you do not understand the difference between PR and on the ground investigations. I do not really pay any attention what high ranked police officers are saying to the media. Because that is PR.
I pay attention to what my police sources personally involved in the investigations are telling me under journalistic rules of protection of sources. That is not PR. Do you understand the difference?
It is journalistic work not to debate the news, but to build a network of sources in order to write the news you then debate. News, which unfortunately under the present conditions, often cannot be written anymore.
And last, your attempt to somehow safe your increasingly weak argumentation trying to present the police as somewhat the center of the net is quite wrong. This isn’t anymore the 1950s and the police has since the downfall of General Phao never reached the same influence and power and has remained a far distant second to the armed forces in that game. We would hardly have seen the past two coups if the power configuration in Thailand would be as you are trying to make it out here, given that the vast majority of not just low ranked police officers but also high ranked officers are not supporting the coup.
As for your ad hominem attack, “the quality of this comment of yours is about as ill-informed and narrow minded as the average rant in a pub,” part of my job is to debate the news everyday, so I am a lot more involved with the details than you are.
As for personal experience living in a village, this does not make my observations like “an average rant in a pub” All I can say is that people who work in Bangkok air-conditioned offices in the news business, are missing a lot of real world experience in villages.
In public opinion polls, education and the police are the two top areas targeted for reform, for the public itself wants police reform. Asserting the importance of police reform is not, as you say “ill-informed.”
The Bangkok bombings are not just a PR problem. The on the ground investigations “have not been going quite well”:
“There was no incontrovertible evidence incriminating any of the suspects presented at today’s event. Asked what supported the belief Bilal and Mieraili carried out the attack, Gen. Somyot cited witnesses, CCTV footage, ‘accurate’ re-enactments, confessions and ‘a special technique by high-tech equipment, which is classified.” (Police Link Bomb Attack to Uighurs, Deep South and Thai Politics, Khaosod English, 28 September 2015)
What Nick Nostitz says contradicts what experts are saying.
As far as this statement that I never made: “If you think that Thailand’s problems are just Thaksin and the police.”
Of course, the police are not the only problem and they have connections to other institutions in society:
1. The military has certainly been involved in extra-judicial killings. The killing of the Muang Daeng headman in Maesai in front of his family by military during the Thai-Burmese border conflicts of the early 2000s. In the south, I am sure there are many too.
2. That the actions of the police certainly have connections to Privy Councilors and beyond, is utterly obvious. The whole Pongpat case certainly indicates this.
BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO BRING THE MONARCHY INTO EVERY CONVERSATION ABOUT ISSUES IN THAILAND.
This just bespeaks an unhealthy obsession on the part of Thai Studies folk and really does not all address most issues and aspects of life in Thailand.
Olaf, given that all of the present commanding police Generals were after the coup handpicked by the military as part of their promised “police reform”, the logical conclusion seems to be that, what has been my point here, it seems that the military government views the extend of police reform to just bring the police force under their control, and the remainder is business as usual.
How can anybody, 1 1/2 years after the coup, still believe that the terminology of “reform” has anything in common with what we would define as reform?
Jonfernquest, it is rather ironic when you tell me that i should look at the broader perspective, when the quality of this comment of yours is about as ill-informed and narrow minded as the average rant in a pub.
Both in the Ko Tao case and in the Bangkok bombings you just judge by the superficial, and refuse to look at why and where the problem in the investigations were. I would suggest to ask the involved people in the Ko Tao case, for example, where the real problems were and still are. I am not going any deeper in this here, but they are above the pay grade of the police. I would suggest to look at the networks of the South there, and who is connected to whom. The Rohingya issue is quite similar, in that sense, though on a much larger and complex scale.
In the Bangkok bombings you do not separate the PR disaster, which has been mostly by the upper ranks (all handpicked officers by the military), and the government spokesmen themselves, and the real on the ground investigations, which have been going quite well. The PR problem of the government is that it cannot admit to international terrorism, for several reasons.
If you think that Thailand’s problems are just Thaksin and the police, then you are living in yellow shirt gagaland and ignore any history that has taken place before Thaksin entered politics in the mid/late 90’s, the history of which today’s events are just a continuation, a logical consequence.
Why, for example, do you refuse to even acknowledge the fact that the drug war killings were a result of active collaboration of *all* institutions and sectors of power in Thailand, an elite consensus in Thai tradition that has led on numerous occasions to incidents of brutality in the past? Thaksin and the police alone could not have performed this without the consensus of the military and the civil service. Have you completely forgotten the comments of several Privy Councilors quoted in Michael Connors’ paper? The evidence is quite clear and openly accessible, if you dare to look.
The problems of the police is just a reflection of the entire structural mess of Thailand. Just reforming the police while not at the same time the overlaying structure is nothing but idiotic, it is treating symptoms while leaving the root causes alone.
I have to always wonder how supposedly educated people like you allow themselves to be so blinded by emotions that their analyses ends up being nothing but a refection of their emotions. Quite sad.
Fact is the country is getting worser and worser by the day. Only thing that has really progressed inthe last wonderful “democratic” four years is incessant logging trucks going from Chindwin valley now that Irrawaddy one is gone and has only flood and dry river bed circles full of pollution from wonderful “industrialization” and people more prone to kill and rob each other in broad day light where not even Sangha can be trusted anymore.
Only physical difference has been more buildings, more cars, more restraunts and more porstitutes and more homeless/ landless/ hopeless people.
The trajectory is truly awful. Simple stating the visible facts.
This mega-expensive “democracy” splosh on that ugly landscape is simply painting the deck chairs and not going change an iota of it.
This is simply concerted and intensive sale of snake oil to the gullibles.
The Y2015 Ig-Nobel for ECONOMICS PRIZE – The Bangkok Metropolitan Police [THAILAND], for offering to pay policemen extra cash if the policemen refuse to take bribes.
Wacky isn’t it Mr. Nick Nostitz? But the Bangkok Metropolitan Police is very serious about ‘police reform’.
Glad you know it all, Ohn. Not quite sure though just what purpose a rambling nihilistic anti-everything rant is going to serve. Shame Burma is a country full of good for nothing Burmese, right?
You still have to admit this game is funny unless you are a player.
No highly indignant/ outraged and always sulking “Champions” of the Rohingya- be they themselves “Rohingya” or Truth and Just loving lily whites- was harmed the slightest duing the production of these funny tales.
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Playing Jenga with Myanmar’s rule of law
It’s useful to distinguish between the rulers and the ruled although admittedly foreign relations are determined by the former with strong Machiavellian tendencies as they do the world over. There is however no love lost between the ordinary Burmese and their big neighbour guilty of propping up the military yoke, likewise between factory workers and their laoban employers in Burma’s new industrial landscape.
You underestimate Burmese nationalism manifest in both the rulers and the ruled at your peril, and China is certainly mindful of that. It has secured itself official presence in tackling Wa and Kokang affairs on account of its long border with Burma where these groups inhabit and look for support (the Japanese and others too are involved in the ‘peace process’).
The economies are too intertwined (thick as thieves at a certain rarefied level) to unravel at least in the near future unless the generals’ new best friends from the West really step up to the plate which in turn depends on a business climate conducive to a certain level. So it may be a while yet but the political temperature is climbing by the day with the elections just round the corber.
Soccer wars in Southeast Asia
This was a very interesting read and I appreciate your analysis. I know nothing about sporting culture in S.E. Asia but am not at all surprised the various nationalisms and regionalisms are in the mix. I’m curious what you think about more recent Lao attempts to somewhat dissociate Lao nationalism from Vietnamese-style socialist nationalism. I’m talking about the tendency in the early to mid 2000s (and today?) to dust off royal figures from the distant Lao past, e.g. the massive Fa Ngum and other statues in Vientiane, in order to create a parallel with Thai-style royalist nationalism. What might that add to the picture in this case?
ASEAN can learn from Europe’s refugee crisis
Isn’t this kind of misleading since Malaysia and Singapore pushed boats back to sea early on? I met a Viet khieu last week whose boat was pushed back by the Malaysians in the late 1970s (“It could have been worse; they gave us water and we ended up in Indonesia”).
It became very dangerous in Thai waters too with “pirates” boarding boats, raping women, etc. As a result, a lot of Vietnamese boats, especially from the north, aimed for Hong Kong. In the early 1990s, 20,000 were still coming into Hong Kong. Due to the currents, they’d all come in within a very short time early in the year.
Playing Jenga with Myanmar’s rule of law
It is a bit too dangerous for people to talk openly about how deeply the cunning Chinese (including some from Singapore) are involved in Burmese politics. Transparency is not a Chinese characteristic, but bribery and bullying are! Even Hillary Clinton got into trouble a few days ago by tweeting that Jinping Xi is “shameless”. By the way, politics has a lot to do with dirty money, not just in Burma and China. I’m with Pope Francis on this LOL
Playing Jenga with Myanmar’s rule of law
What a surprise international development attempts become distorted and skewed.
RoL is like a broken record in Burma from as early as the caretaker govt of Ne Win in 1958 – yellow signs of “Law and Order First and Foremost” were ubiquitous. And an organisation called Kyant Khaing Yay or Strength as in the Burmese version of Solidarity in the name USDP was also set up with the lion’s head on vests (no T shirts in those days and the fasces out of fashion).
A glaring oversight – who defines “peace, stability, and the rule of law”, and so far all in aid of buttressing their stranglehold, the dead hand of the military elite on the tiller of society.
As the path of ‘reforms and democratisation’ became mandatory for another lease of life for the ruling generals ‘meddlesome foreigners’ are now being allowed in and tolerated. Whether they’ll be listened to with enthusiasm or ill grace is quite another matter. Needs must nonetheless.
By the same token INGOs and state players must keep up with the pressure with a carrot and stick approach or dual policy as a key player the Obama administration called it. Not so long ago the US was the bully boy Nga Pwa Gyi.
Don’t forget this elephant in the room is a rogue playing all contrite and tamed. Believe it at your peril. If a semblance of democratisation and rule of law is all you require to join the New World Order and capitalist globalisation, you did it already. Bravo!
Playing Jenga with Myanmar’s rule of law
Please do explain how the Chinese control Myanmar’s politics?
Royal power in Thai politics
seek help notdisapointed. you need therepy.
Playing Jenga with Myanmar’s rule of law
Do all these foreign “intermediaries” and scholars like Ms Simion speak and read Burmese fluently? Otherwise it will all be lost or at least distorted in translation, unless of course you are Chinese or some junta crony, coz then you don’t care about the rule of law in Burma. Just wanna make some dough, no need for “complex reform processes”, “hidden power struggles”, “foreign distrust” etc. etc.
Unlike the whites and the rohingyas, Chinese are not considered to be “foreign intermediaries” in Burma. They actually control not just the economy but also politics, such as the so-called “ethnic strife” and “ceasefire agreements” in Burma LOL
Royal power in Thai politics
Rosie, I’m disappointed that you didn’t find it necesssary to attend the demonstration against Prayutt in NYC. Your ghostwriter’s stridency, disseminations, half-truths, and prevarications should have made you think it pertinent to your attendance. At the very least, you should have sent your ghostwriter.
Indonesia’s forgotten genocide
An op-ed in Kompas today by Salahuddin Wahid suggested that a reason for the killings by members of NU was the fear that if they refused orders from the army they in turn would be branded PKI sympathizers. While some elements of NU remain defiant in their defense of the massacres, others like Wahid attempt to shift the blame.
ASEAN can learn from Europe’s refugee crisis
There is nothing resembling “vague ideas about national identity, religious inconsistency, and far-right ideology” in Europe.
We, in Europe, have very clear ideas of our national identities and have gone to war several times to preserve it. Likewise, the only inconsistency in dealing with religious issues is that we have been far too lenient in allowing Muslims to infiltrate our Christian societies and use our democratic values against us to bring about Sharia-based Islamic communities of the most virulent kind on our European shores.
If you think that is right-wing, sir, then be warned that the fight-back has started.
Governing by the gun
That is just great – part of your job is armchair quarterbacking the news people like us are doing on the ground. Don’t we love that… 😉
And as we now seem to enter a my-dick-is-bigger-than-yours contest – i have lived 2 1/2 years in a village without any road access, only way out was by boat. I have built up a farm in the north, and i do not live in a Sukhumvit highrise, but a small wooden house in a normal Thai neighborhood, which is like a village in many ways, as residential Bangkok is a collection of countless little villages in culture, lifestyle and social mechanics. And no, no aircon either.
And no, before we go any further here – i have not involved the monarchy in this discussion. Accusing me of such is an attempted slander. Well, and it shows that you have the approximate attention span of a goldfish. Because i haven’t done that, which seemed to have escaped you attention.
And it seems that you do not understand the difference between PR and on the ground investigations. I do not really pay any attention what high ranked police officers are saying to the media. Because that is PR.
I pay attention to what my police sources personally involved in the investigations are telling me under journalistic rules of protection of sources. That is not PR. Do you understand the difference?
It is journalistic work not to debate the news, but to build a network of sources in order to write the news you then debate. News, which unfortunately under the present conditions, often cannot be written anymore.
And last, your attempt to somehow safe your increasingly weak argumentation trying to present the police as somewhat the center of the net is quite wrong. This isn’t anymore the 1950s and the police has since the downfall of General Phao never reached the same influence and power and has remained a far distant second to the armed forces in that game. We would hardly have seen the past two coups if the power configuration in Thailand would be as you are trying to make it out here, given that the vast majority of not just low ranked police officers but also high ranked officers are not supporting the coup.
Governing by the gun
This is pure gold:
1. “shill for the PT-Thaksin-UDD”
Shill – an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others, like Robert Amsterdam.
2. “hack more in the tradition of Cartalucci and Yon”
Nok Gaew Nok Kun Thong – Parrot-Myna bird, an overly talkative bird that echoes whatever is said, might better than “hack” to describe them.
Yon just seems to echo without verifying facts or seeking deeper understanding.
Cartalucci seems be a master of emotive expletives. Both speak only to please.
3. “more considered approach to the question of democratization and its constraints in Thailand”
Exactly!
Governing by the gun
As for your ad hominem attack, “the quality of this comment of yours is about as ill-informed and narrow minded as the average rant in a pub,” part of my job is to debate the news everyday, so I am a lot more involved with the details than you are.
As for personal experience living in a village, this does not make my observations like “an average rant in a pub” All I can say is that people who work in Bangkok air-conditioned offices in the news business, are missing a lot of real world experience in villages.
In public opinion polls, education and the police are the two top areas targeted for reform, for the public itself wants police reform. Asserting the importance of police reform is not, as you say “ill-informed.”
The Bangkok bombings are not just a PR problem. The on the ground investigations “have not been going quite well”:
“There was no incontrovertible evidence incriminating any of the suspects presented at today’s event. Asked what supported the belief Bilal and Mieraili carried out the attack, Gen. Somyot cited witnesses, CCTV footage, ‘accurate’ re-enactments, confessions and ‘a special technique by high-tech equipment, which is classified.” (Police Link Bomb Attack to Uighurs, Deep South and Thai Politics, Khaosod English, 28 September 2015)
What Nick Nostitz says contradicts what experts are saying.
As far as this statement that I never made: “If you think that Thailand’s problems are just Thaksin and the police.”
Of course, the police are not the only problem and they have connections to other institutions in society:
1. The military has certainly been involved in extra-judicial killings. The killing of the Muang Daeng headman in Maesai in front of his family by military during the Thai-Burmese border conflicts of the early 2000s. In the south, I am sure there are many too.
2. That the actions of the police certainly have connections to Privy Councilors and beyond, is utterly obvious. The whole Pongpat case certainly indicates this.
BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO BRING THE MONARCHY INTO EVERY CONVERSATION ABOUT ISSUES IN THAILAND.
This just bespeaks an unhealthy obsession on the part of Thai Studies folk and really does not all address most issues and aspects of life in Thailand.
Governing by the gun
Olaf, given that all of the present commanding police Generals were after the coup handpicked by the military as part of their promised “police reform”, the logical conclusion seems to be that, what has been my point here, it seems that the military government views the extend of police reform to just bring the police force under their control, and the remainder is business as usual.
How can anybody, 1 1/2 years after the coup, still believe that the terminology of “reform” has anything in common with what we would define as reform?
Governing by the gun
Jonfernquest, it is rather ironic when you tell me that i should look at the broader perspective, when the quality of this comment of yours is about as ill-informed and narrow minded as the average rant in a pub.
Both in the Ko Tao case and in the Bangkok bombings you just judge by the superficial, and refuse to look at why and where the problem in the investigations were. I would suggest to ask the involved people in the Ko Tao case, for example, where the real problems were and still are. I am not going any deeper in this here, but they are above the pay grade of the police. I would suggest to look at the networks of the South there, and who is connected to whom. The Rohingya issue is quite similar, in that sense, though on a much larger and complex scale.
In the Bangkok bombings you do not separate the PR disaster, which has been mostly by the upper ranks (all handpicked officers by the military), and the government spokesmen themselves, and the real on the ground investigations, which have been going quite well. The PR problem of the government is that it cannot admit to international terrorism, for several reasons.
If you think that Thailand’s problems are just Thaksin and the police, then you are living in yellow shirt gagaland and ignore any history that has taken place before Thaksin entered politics in the mid/late 90’s, the history of which today’s events are just a continuation, a logical consequence.
Why, for example, do you refuse to even acknowledge the fact that the drug war killings were a result of active collaboration of *all* institutions and sectors of power in Thailand, an elite consensus in Thai tradition that has led on numerous occasions to incidents of brutality in the past? Thaksin and the police alone could not have performed this without the consensus of the military and the civil service. Have you completely forgotten the comments of several Privy Councilors quoted in Michael Connors’ paper? The evidence is quite clear and openly accessible, if you dare to look.
The problems of the police is just a reflection of the entire structural mess of Thailand. Just reforming the police while not at the same time the overlaying structure is nothing but idiotic, it is treating symptoms while leaving the root causes alone.
I have to always wonder how supposedly educated people like you allow themselves to be so blinded by emotions that their analyses ends up being nothing but a refection of their emotions. Quite sad.
NLD needs to lift the standard
#3.1.1.1.1
Fact is the country is getting worser and worser by the day. Only thing that has really progressed inthe last wonderful “democratic” four years is incessant logging trucks going from Chindwin valley now that Irrawaddy one is gone and has only flood and dry river bed circles full of pollution from wonderful “industrialization” and people more prone to kill and rob each other in broad day light where not even Sangha can be trusted anymore.
Only physical difference has been more buildings, more cars, more restraunts and more porstitutes and more homeless/ landless/ hopeless people.
The trajectory is truly awful. Simple stating the visible facts.
This mega-expensive “democracy” splosh on that ugly landscape is simply painting the deck chairs and not going change an iota of it.
This is simply concerted and intensive sale of snake oil to the gullibles.
Governing by the gun
The Y2015 Ig-Nobel for ECONOMICS PRIZE – The Bangkok Metropolitan Police [THAILAND], for offering to pay policemen extra cash if the policemen refuse to take bribes.
Wacky isn’t it Mr. Nick Nostitz? But the Bangkok Metropolitan Police is very serious about ‘police reform’.
NLD needs to lift the standard
Glad you know it all, Ohn. Not quite sure though just what purpose a rambling nihilistic anti-everything rant is going to serve. Shame Burma is a country full of good for nothing Burmese, right?
The root cause of Rohingya persecution
You still have to admit this game is funny unless you are a player.
No highly indignant/ outraged and always sulking “Champions” of the Rohingya- be they themselves “Rohingya” or Truth and Just loving lily whites- was harmed the slightest duing the production of these funny tales.