What a wonderful Kafkaesque statement that “everything must be done according to the law.” What law may I ask? I thought that the mitilary coup had suspended all law together with the constitution, and had rubbished civil rights to boot.Please inform.
Is this stuff on some permanent loop in some people’s heads? Like a conveyor belt of sushi, the crap which tastes awful just keeps going round and round and round and round and …
Oh, I saw this phrase in the article – “hesitant and faltering democracy” but what’s that got to do with anything, I wonder.
Hindi was never the lingua franca at any time except in Rangoon regarded as an Indian city by the rest of the country in colonial times as the British introduced their Indian subjects to run their administrative machine and infrastructure for an extractive economy.
Burmese wanting to be Kalar is stretching it as the eventual separation from British India in 1937 once the opportunity arose would indicate.
Agreed the colonial masters were behind the creation of a wider Indian community in mainland Burma as well as the enclave that later assumed the name Rohingya in northern Arakan. They also granted the Kokang substate to the Chinese enclave in eastern Burma.
Probably right about the absence of plans for rice price support – for now. Might be a different matter if/when there look to be signs of major discontent building.
Somehow or other starting from any topic people keep coming back to and circling around this “Kalar”. This would be at the least 5-6th time just on this site. “Kalar” debate.
Perhaps the reason is that people are not so satisfied with any explanation whether this very “Kalar” is a good word or a bad word.
Again perhaps that happens because the first mentioning of the word being “bad”
was promulgated by some “Burma Experts” under circumstances where the need for the word to be regarded as extreme racism was essential. But funnily if one looks hard they may really be people who would not blink a eye lid when the Jews call the Arabs “Cockroaches” and then continue to shoot with aerial rockets day and night indiscriminately.
Any Bamar reading these line now would easily have at least one Indian and one Chinese teacher in their life and as a Bamar teachers are in the very same league as Phayar, who as frequently pointed out was a Kalar.
So the rise of this word “kalar” and associated controversy is more symptomatic of “Burma Experts” trying to button hole the impossible notion and idiotic “Western” concept that things are either black or white especially in their leader the “Americas” the redoubt of ADL, where one cannot even order a BLACK coffee in Mc Donald.
The whole affair is farcical as it is disingenuous.
We need more foreign volunteers: (who care about the victims of human rights abuses by Burmese military; who care about religious persecution against Christians; and who care about minorities/ marginalized/ exploited peoples) to vicious Burmese military regime.
Recent news has been pretty clear that there are no plans for rubber or rice price supports. The most recent Bk Post stories seem pretty clear that the junta plans to offer nothing to rice growers. The rubber stories are a week or two old, but they have the same gist. There is a clear tone of dismissiveness in the government’s policy. They don’t acknowledge any public-good arguments for agricultural price supports.
As for the association of the “N” word with Kalar—
If kalar remind the protagonist of something even remotely unpleasant as the “N” words represent, the colonist must be blamed.
When Hindustani was the lingua franca as late as in the 1930’s within Myanmar, even the Burmese want to be Kalar because of the colonial favoring of so called ‘British Royal Subjects’.
Such were the attempt to completely humiliate and side line the Majority:
The same as khway (dog) tayoke or tayoke poke (rotten), also kalar soke (rubbish), and sauk (cunt) kalar/tayoke… with a complementary prefix or suffix obvious.
However the Burmese also lovingly name their children Kalar or Tayoke from their perceived Indian or Chinese features.
The most famous 19th C historian was called U Kalar.
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Interesting would be to compare how the rice pledging scheme (which has been shelved / possibly to return but with more returns to traders) with the support for rubber farmers. The army seems to take more interest in rubber farmers and it looks like this may be to cultivate political ties in the south (where most rubber farmers live) or to be used as an instrument to quell further southern unrest. The rice pledge scheme profited farmers north of Bangkok, Shinawatra backyard territory.
The term ‘Kalar’ is offensive to those on the receiving end because users of the term have the intention to be abusive — an extreme case is: ‘khaye kalar'(indian dog)!
On the other hand, there would be a few who would attach some affection to the term. And they would be those who take pride in Buddha’s noble ancestry. I wouldn’t be surprised if such people are the ‘silent majority’.
Prayuth is the embodiment of what the amaat were afraid Thaksin would become – I doubt they recognise this supreme irony. He is now ‘Prem Plus’, a virtual monarch. It’s not going to end well …
good coverage of a wide range of issues in a short essay. I would add something about the ecological destruction under SBY(continuing earlier trends of deforestation for instance).
Grand Prix or no Grand Prix, soft power or otherwise, Singapore to me is an authoritarian police state ruled by an elite Chinese oligarchy, getting rich by laundering dirty money from despots, war-lords, drug dealers, corrupt tycoons, smugglers, thugs, etc. from neighbouring countries, not to mention all that human trafficking of maids and migrant workers from poor countries like Burma. Who cares about some formula one race cars “trafficking” around Marina Bay. I am not rich enough to “enjoy” that kind of spectacle!
Interesting speculation was my intent, thank you. I also hope the leaders and populations realize the gains such activities could cost them.
As for the replacement of the rice buying scheme, it has been proposed, though I confess I have not analyzed the relative cost differences yet. It still does seem populist to me despite government statements to the contrary.
The main difference between the rape by “Chinese” and the rape by “The West” is that, with the “Chinese” people of Burma can see- see the Pipe, cars, land ownership, girl ownership, market ownership, etc.- and feel angry about it to the point that every one is worried about some sort of lash-back. With “The West” with heavy dose of Aung San Suu Kyi anasthesia, hardly anyone would notice things are taken away from them as they would be told the grass is super food especially for them and would believe it. Already the Big Four accounting firms are busy cataloging available chattels in the country and allocating “Looter-ship” among the usual suspects and as soon as the chips are in place, IMF, WB, ADB and their financiers will come in and do their magic while the “Media” would be incessantly reminding how the country has progressed leaps and bounds and are going to take over Thailand (traditional whipping boy) and others even Singapore in a short time, GDP has gone up (for whom the GDP gone up?) a million fold first time in the history, etc.,etc. Suspect most of the articles are already written or just need some name and date change from so many used for tens of countries already. All smooth and painless. Aung San Suu Kyi is surely main man to do the smoothing.
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Law and irony in Thailand
“The appearance of law must be upheld, especially while it’s being broken.”
Law and irony in Thailand
What a wonderful Kafkaesque statement that “everything must be done according to the law.” What law may I ask? I thought that the mitilary coup had suspended all law together with the constitution, and had rubbished civil rights to boot.Please inform.
Law and irony in Thailand
Is this stuff on some permanent loop in some people’s heads? Like a conveyor belt of sushi, the crap which tastes awful just keeps going round and round and round and round and …
Oh, I saw this phrase in the article – “hesitant and faltering democracy” but what’s that got to do with anything, I wonder.
Law and irony in Thailand
Nick, when was Thailand a genuine democracy? Please enlight me. Thx, Lung
Rumour, religion and riots in Mandalay
Hindi was never the lingua franca at any time except in Rangoon regarded as an Indian city by the rest of the country in colonial times as the British introduced their Indian subjects to run their administrative machine and infrastructure for an extractive economy.
Burmese wanting to be Kalar is stretching it as the eventual separation from British India in 1937 once the opportunity arose would indicate.
Agreed the colonial masters were behind the creation of a wider Indian community in mainland Burma as well as the enclave that later assumed the name Rohingya in northern Arakan. They also granted the Kokang substate to the Chinese enclave in eastern Burma.
Watch the border…
Probably right about the absence of plans for rice price support – for now. Might be a different matter if/when there look to be signs of major discontent building.
Less true about the rubber growers – as evidenced by a much more recent report (i.e. yesterday): http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Rubber-farmers-cancel-planned-protest-after-govt-m-30243699.html
Rumour, religion and riots in Mandalay
Somehow or other starting from any topic people keep coming back to and circling around this “Kalar”. This would be at the least 5-6th time just on this site. “Kalar” debate.
Perhaps the reason is that people are not so satisfied with any explanation whether this very “Kalar” is a good word or a bad word.
Again perhaps that happens because the first mentioning of the word being “bad”
was promulgated by some “Burma Experts” under circumstances where the need for the word to be regarded as extreme racism was essential. But funnily if one looks hard they may really be people who would not blink a eye lid when the Jews call the Arabs “Cockroaches” and then continue to shoot with aerial rockets day and night indiscriminately.
Any Bamar reading these line now would easily have at least one Indian and one Chinese teacher in their life and as a Bamar teachers are in the very same league as Phayar, who as frequently pointed out was a Kalar.
So the rise of this word “kalar” and associated controversy is more symptomatic of “Burma Experts” trying to button hole the impossible notion and idiotic “Western” concept that things are either black or white especially in their leader the “Americas” the redoubt of ADL, where one cannot even order a BLACK coffee in Mc Donald.
The whole affair is farcical as it is disingenuous.
Volunteering to fight in Burma
We need more foreign volunteers: (who care about the victims of human rights abuses by Burmese military; who care about religious persecution against Christians; and who care about minorities/ marginalized/ exploited peoples) to vicious Burmese military regime.
Watch the border…
Recent news has been pretty clear that there are no plans for rubber or rice price supports. The most recent Bk Post stories seem pretty clear that the junta plans to offer nothing to rice growers. The rubber stories are a week or two old, but they have the same gist. There is a clear tone of dismissiveness in the government’s policy. They don’t acknowledge any public-good arguments for agricultural price supports.
Rumour, religion and riots in Mandalay
As for the association of the “N” word with Kalar—
If kalar remind the protagonist of something even remotely unpleasant as the “N” words represent, the colonist must be blamed.
When Hindustani was the lingua franca as late as in the 1930’s within Myanmar, even the Burmese want to be Kalar because of the colonial favoring of so called ‘British Royal Subjects’.
Such were the attempt to completely humiliate and side line the Majority:
“Burma a province of India”.
Rumour, religion and riots in Mandalay
The same as khway (dog) tayoke or tayoke poke (rotten), also kalar soke (rubbish), and sauk (cunt) kalar/tayoke… with a complementary prefix or suffix obvious.
However the Burmese also lovingly name their children Kalar or Tayoke from their perceived Indian or Chinese features.
The most famous 19th C historian was called U Kalar.
Wisdom of General Prayuth
Giles Ji Ungpakorn wrote that Thailand is now ruled by a vile idiot .
Prayuth proves him right on a daily basis now …
One Sunday in Jakarta
[…] a recent presidential campaign rally, Prabowo Subianto addressed a crowd of bussed-in supporters at a Jakarta football stadium. On stage stood some of the key supporters of his campaign from political parties and business, […]
Watch the border…
Interesting would be to compare how the rice pledging scheme (which has been shelved / possibly to return but with more returns to traders) with the support for rubber farmers. The army seems to take more interest in rubber farmers and it looks like this may be to cultivate political ties in the south (where most rubber farmers live) or to be used as an instrument to quell further southern unrest. The rice pledge scheme profited farmers north of Bangkok, Shinawatra backyard territory.
Rumour, religion and riots in Mandalay
The term ‘Kalar’ is offensive to those on the receiving end because users of the term have the intention to be abusive — an extreme case is: ‘khaye kalar'(indian dog)!
On the other hand, there would be a few who would attach some affection to the term. And they would be those who take pride in Buddha’s noble ancestry. I wouldn’t be surprised if such people are the ‘silent majority’.
Wisdom of General Prayuth
Prayuth is the embodiment of what the amaat were afraid Thaksin would become – I doubt they recognise this supreme irony. He is now ‘Prem Plus’, a virtual monarch. It’s not going to end well …
SBY’s mixed legacy
good coverage of a wide range of issues in a short essay. I would add something about the ecological destruction under SBY(continuing earlier trends of deforestation for instance).
Singapore Grand Prix and soft power
Grand Prix or no Grand Prix, soft power or otherwise, Singapore to me is an authoritarian police state ruled by an elite Chinese oligarchy, getting rich by laundering dirty money from despots, war-lords, drug dealers, corrupt tycoons, smugglers, thugs, etc. from neighbouring countries, not to mention all that human trafficking of maids and migrant workers from poor countries like Burma. Who cares about some formula one race cars “trafficking” around Marina Bay. I am not rich enough to “enjoy” that kind of spectacle!
Watch the border…
Interesting speculation was my intent, thank you. I also hope the leaders and populations realize the gains such activities could cost them.
As for the replacement of the rice buying scheme, it has been proposed, though I confess I have not analyzed the relative cost differences yet. It still does seem populist to me despite government statements to the contrary.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/18/thailand-economy-measures-idINKBN0HD1C620140918
Game over for Aung San Suu Kyi?
The main difference between the rape by “Chinese” and the rape by “The West” is that, with the “Chinese” people of Burma can see- see the Pipe, cars, land ownership, girl ownership, market ownership, etc.- and feel angry about it to the point that every one is worried about some sort of lash-back. With “The West” with heavy dose of Aung San Suu Kyi anasthesia, hardly anyone would notice things are taken away from them as they would be told the grass is super food especially for them and would believe it. Already the Big Four accounting firms are busy cataloging available chattels in the country and allocating “Looter-ship” among the usual suspects and as soon as the chips are in place, IMF, WB, ADB and their financiers will come in and do their magic while the “Media” would be incessantly reminding how the country has progressed leaps and bounds and are going to take over Thailand (traditional whipping boy) and others even Singapore in a short time, GDP has gone up (for whom the GDP gone up?) a million fold first time in the history, etc.,etc. Suspect most of the articles are already written or just need some name and date change from so many used for tens of countries already. All smooth and painless. Aung San Suu Kyi is surely main man to do the smoothing.