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My story was written before Ekayuth was found dead.
I can anyhow not say anymore about his murder than what is reported in the newspapers as i have no insider knowledge.
I do note though that government opponents believe that Ekayuth’s murder was politically motivated. Police and the government seem to believe that their investigations into the murder point at a personal/criminal motive.
It is *my* job to believe nothing until i have evidence. And until that i will just wait and see what the investigations dig up.
On reading Voronai’s piece, I emailed him as follows:
“the Guy Fawkes movement … [has] no charismatic leader.”
Congratulations. There’s a level at which wrongness becomes so heroically wrong, it’s almost admirable.
Well this idea of inviting populations to go where there is farmland etc is a good idea , but many people prefer an easy unaccountable city life . In many countries there is also a major problem of security , and unless things are well organised the major problem is good usable water .
The other problem is that if populations are diluted over large areas , politicians lose their influence and power , this is another major obstacle .
I encourage you to advertise all over to get people into Costa Rica and make a go of it , maybe an example to follow .
Thai cobras are certainly very happy with Yingluck’s Thai Rice Pledging scheme: stuffing themselves silly with slow Thai rats that gorged them silly from raids of Yingluck’s bulging rice hoard.
And Jane you are right of course. Many Laos and Khmers are also profiting handsomely from Yingluck’s Bht 15,000 (40-50% markup) rice pledge strike price and Yingluck’s rice hoard could already include substantial Lao and Khmer (and maybe even Myanmar) sacks of rice.
The deafening silence over the “robbery/murder” of anti-Shinawatra person Ekayuth from supposedly impartial commentators, such as this site and Bangkok Pundit, is interesting. Given the clan’s previous form (Shipping Moo, Somchai), would it not be inconceivable that there is a political link to Ekayuth’s killing?
So how long is Supachai’s sentence suspended for? I speculate he’ll be free to start engaging in criminal forgery again without triggering the six month prison sentence in about … 57 days.
By the way Chula has gone down to 48th (from 43rd) in the QS University Rankings.
“The Thais”? And who might they be, dear Vichi, and have you really taken the time to meet all 65 or so million of them (many of whom are not “Thai” but Lao, Khmer, Mon, Malay, hill-tribe, Chinese, etc.)?
I’ll certainly agree the CNRP pronouncements on the Vietnamese are odd to the say the least, and I’d guess not all that effective as an electoral strategy. What has struck me recently has been the complete inadequacy of the response to Kem Sokha’s supposed comments on Tuol Sleng. Regardless of the origin or accuracy of the comments the response from the opposition was extremely slow, clumsy, and not particularly persuasive. Although a new party, I would have expected much better from these (as you said) seasoned politicians and the existing apparatus of the pre-merger parties.
Also, Hun Sen is not the only one to invoke the spectre of civil war. Sam Rainsy responded to the expulsion of CNRP members of the National Assembly by saying Hun Sen had “created the pre-conditions for a civil war”. Yet, Mu Sochua two days later said definitively “there will not be a state of war”. In my opinion, if the opposition is going to fully capitalise on any improved conditions or sentiment for them then their organisation and consistency of message is going to need to improve.
UMNO has been doing as it pleased long before this election result. It never gave a damn what its coalition partners thought. That’s why the other races abandoned BN because it did not matter that there was an MCA and and MIC. UMNO had long stopped considering the thoughts of these parties. So its result in the election of being more dominate is finally pulling the sheep’s clothing off the wolf so that everyone can see what BN really is – BN is UMNO and UMNO is BN and it has been that way since Mahathir’s day. However, it cannot just do as it pleases because it must answer more and more to East Malaysia and it must be careful not to alienate the urbanites too much because the more and more rural youth are moving there. They are registered in their rural constituency, but live in the city. They will return there to vote and to influence their aunties and uncles each time they visit home. Add to that an increasing reliance on technology and online media as the younger generation replace the older generation. So UMNO’s rural base is like the sands of an hourglass. It is running out as urbanization and the spread of technology takes hold of more and more of the population with each passing year.
While we are talking about profoundly misleading reporting, is it not profoundly misleading to call the red shirts a democracy movement when only 30% of identify it as one of their goals?
AMM: Given the length of your reply I am tempted to say my reply wasn’t directed at you. :P. I note your correction to your initials, pardon the lapse.
I find it rather precious how you have now banged on endlessly on a few lines in the rather innocuous and rather contradictory Anusaya report:
‘Unlike the red or yellow shirt protesters before them, they are not rallying around one key demand –instead they voice a variety of views.’
She in fact points out at the end that the protestors focus on Thaksin and so contradicts herself anyway.
In any case many of those taking part are new to protests, they are part of the politicization of the population so uncritically supported if they are red shorts by commentators on this site.
Yes, behind them lurk the manipulators, but its exactly the same for the red shirts. There is a massive gulf between the red shirt grass roots and the leaders manipulating their efforts.
There is a vast amount of misleading reporting going on, much worse than Anusaya’s report, on both sides of the political divide, why this hysterical one eyed focus on the short comings of Anusaya’s report and now on various editorials in The Nation and BP. Are they the only ones misleading people?
For example what on earth is being a royalist supposed to mean on here beyond wanting a monarch as head of state. There are probably 60 million or so in Thailand. Is it not profoundly misleading to try and group these people together in any other context?
Personally I think you ‘doth protest too much’ and it betrays a certain insecurity in your beliefs somewhere. Who are you trying to convince? Yourself?
Whilst some of your criticism of the foreign media in Bangkok might be justified, as has been pointed out to you before, it is little different to the type of coverage you offered when you were based in Bangkok a decade ago.
It’s not the ranting but the misplaced vitriol that gets tiresome.
I think what I would like to read from you – as you are a former senior Reuters employee – is how the structures/interests inherent in the foreign media in Bangkok prevent a proper dissection of the situation in Thailand. What prevented you when you were based in Thailand? Editorial control? Cultural/social pressure? Fear of being kicked out?
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[…] gathering of groups opposing the then six month-old Yingluck government included little-known Siam Samakki (United Siam), which introduced its new “Anonymous Thailand” Facebook page the same evening, […]
White masks, red masks and royalist communists
Ekayuth is a hardly known and entirely un-influential anti-Thaksin critic. Out of all critics to be targeted for political reasons, why him?
I’m with Nostitz on this . . . just no evidence to say anything at the moment.
White masks, red masks and royalist communists
My story was written before Ekayuth was found dead.
I can anyhow not say anymore about his murder than what is reported in the newspapers as i have no insider knowledge.
I do note though that government opponents believe that Ekayuth’s murder was politically motivated. Police and the government seem to believe that their investigations into the murder point at a personal/criminal motive.
It is *my* job to believe nothing until i have evidence. And until that i will just wait and see what the investigations dig up.
And that is all i can say about this issue.
Malaysia’s GE13: What happened, what now? (part 2)
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Malaysia’s GE13: What happened, what now? (part 1)
[…] the first part of this commentary analysed the paradoxical outcome of PRU13. It traced how the election of a […]
White masks, red masks and royalist communists
On reading Voronai’s piece, I emailed him as follows:
“the Guy Fawkes movement … [has] no charismatic leader.”
Congratulations. There’s a level at which wrongness becomes so heroically wrong, it’s almost admirable.
He didn’t reply…
Singapore’s food security strategy
Well this idea of inviting populations to go where there is farmland etc is a good idea , but many people prefer an easy unaccountable city life . In many countries there is also a major problem of security , and unless things are well organised the major problem is good usable water .
The other problem is that if populations are diluted over large areas , politicians lose their influence and power , this is another major obstacle .
I encourage you to advertise all over to get people into Costa Rica and make a go of it , maybe an example to follow .
What’s brewing in Thailand?
Thai cobras are certainly very happy with Yingluck’s Thai Rice Pledging scheme: stuffing themselves silly with slow Thai rats that gorged them silly from raids of Yingluck’s bulging rice hoard.
And Jane you are right of course. Many Laos and Khmers are also profiting handsomely from Yingluck’s Bht 15,000 (40-50% markup) rice pledge strike price and Yingluck’s rice hoard could already include substantial Lao and Khmer (and maybe even Myanmar) sacks of rice.
White masks, red masks and royalist communists
The deafening silence over the “robbery/murder” of anti-Shinawatra person Ekayuth from supposedly impartial commentators, such as this site and Bangkok Pundit, is interesting. Given the clan’s previous form (Shipping Moo, Somchai), would it not be inconceivable that there is a political link to Ekayuth’s killing?
Malaysia’s GE13: What happened, what now? (part 1)
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White masks, red masks and royalist communists
oh – and read the history correctly – then you will realize that the military was not alone all these years …….
– the invisible hand has a face –
University rankings from Chula’s perspective
So how long is Supachai’s sentence suspended for? I speculate he’ll be free to start engaging in criminal forgery again without triggering the six month prison sentence in about … 57 days.
By the way Chula has gone down to 48th (from 43rd) in the QS University Rankings.
What’s brewing in Thailand?
re: Vichai
“The Thais”? And who might they be, dear Vichi, and have you really taken the time to meet all 65 or so million of them (many of whom are not “Thai” but Lao, Khmer, Mon, Malay, hill-tribe, Chinese, etc.)?
Election time in Cambodia
I’ll certainly agree the CNRP pronouncements on the Vietnamese are odd to the say the least, and I’d guess not all that effective as an electoral strategy. What has struck me recently has been the complete inadequacy of the response to Kem Sokha’s supposed comments on Tuol Sleng. Regardless of the origin or accuracy of the comments the response from the opposition was extremely slow, clumsy, and not particularly persuasive. Although a new party, I would have expected much better from these (as you said) seasoned politicians and the existing apparatus of the pre-merger parties.
Also, Hun Sen is not the only one to invoke the spectre of civil war. Sam Rainsy responded to the expulsion of CNRP members of the National Assembly by saying Hun Sen had “created the pre-conditions for a civil war”. Yet, Mu Sochua two days later said definitively “there will not be a state of war”. In my opinion, if the opposition is going to fully capitalise on any improved conditions or sentiment for them then their organisation and consistency of message is going to need to improve.
White masks, red masks and royalist communists
@longway – tida on pt, udd, reconcilation and ts-returning – and something about rice cooking:
http://thairedshirts.org/2013/06/13/tida-tawonseth-on-reconciliation-act-and-thaksin-returning/
Malaysia’s GE13: What happened, what now? (part 2)
UMNO has been doing as it pleased long before this election result. It never gave a damn what its coalition partners thought. That’s why the other races abandoned BN because it did not matter that there was an MCA and and MIC. UMNO had long stopped considering the thoughts of these parties. So its result in the election of being more dominate is finally pulling the sheep’s clothing off the wolf so that everyone can see what BN really is – BN is UMNO and UMNO is BN and it has been that way since Mahathir’s day. However, it cannot just do as it pleases because it must answer more and more to East Malaysia and it must be careful not to alienate the urbanites too much because the more and more rural youth are moving there. They are registered in their rural constituency, but live in the city. They will return there to vote and to influence their aunties and uncles each time they visit home. Add to that an increasing reliance on technology and online media as the younger generation replace the older generation. So UMNO’s rural base is like the sands of an hourglass. It is running out as urbanization and the spread of technology takes hold of more and more of the population with each passing year.
White masks, red masks and royalist communists
While we are talking about profoundly misleading reporting, is it not profoundly misleading to call the red shirts a democracy movement when only 30% of identify it as one of their goals?
White masks, red masks and royalist communists
AMM: Given the length of your reply I am tempted to say my reply wasn’t directed at you. :P. I note your correction to your initials, pardon the lapse.
I find it rather precious how you have now banged on endlessly on a few lines in the rather innocuous and rather contradictory Anusaya report:
‘Unlike the red or yellow shirt protesters before them, they are not rallying around one key demand –instead they voice a variety of views.’
She in fact points out at the end that the protestors focus on Thaksin and so contradicts herself anyway.
In any case many of those taking part are new to protests, they are part of the politicization of the population so uncritically supported if they are red shorts by commentators on this site.
Yes, behind them lurk the manipulators, but its exactly the same for the red shirts. There is a massive gulf between the red shirt grass roots and the leaders manipulating their efforts.
There is a vast amount of misleading reporting going on, much worse than Anusaya’s report, on both sides of the political divide, why this hysterical one eyed focus on the short comings of Anusaya’s report and now on various editorials in The Nation and BP. Are they the only ones misleading people?
For example what on earth is being a royalist supposed to mean on here beyond wanting a monarch as head of state. There are probably 60 million or so in Thailand. Is it not profoundly misleading to try and group these people together in any other context?
Personally I think you ‘doth protest too much’ and it betrays a certain insecurity in your beliefs somewhere. Who are you trying to convince? Yourself?
White masks, red masks and royalist communists
So Somsak are the masks now off? Can we all agree its all about Thaksin?
White masks, red masks and royalist communists
AMM
Whilst some of your criticism of the foreign media in Bangkok might be justified, as has been pointed out to you before, it is little different to the type of coverage you offered when you were based in Bangkok a decade ago.
It’s not the ranting but the misplaced vitriol that gets tiresome.
I think what I would like to read from you – as you are a former senior Reuters employee – is how the structures/interests inherent in the foreign media in Bangkok prevent a proper dissection of the situation in Thailand. What prevented you when you were based in Thailand? Editorial control? Cultural/social pressure? Fear of being kicked out?