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Predicting the future of NLD advocating for The Citizenry Freedom will be akin to what the ‘Uncles’ might be doing next to set back the ongoing progress.
Especially with the preponderance of self serving record at best and shameful back stabbing at the worst, making NLD as a force for freedom rather doubtful if not unrealistic.
Mr T. Wilson, whose undisputed extensive understanding of Myanmar will best serve Myanmar Citizenry by pointing to:
How the Military can and must be brought under the same process of “The rule of law” that is evident within the constitutions, must be the goal by all Hlutthaw members.
The Australian government/other Western nations must help in promoting as well as achieving the goal.
After all the real power/ruling entity in Myanmar today and in the near future will still be the Military that answer to no such process as “The rule of law”
Not until this Military is brought under the same rule of law/constitutions that it has created for everyone else what the Hlutthaw or the NLD can be is rather –extraneous.
“It doesnt matter who the PTP leader is as they have shown they can repeatedly win elections, and what their motivation is becomes irrelevant as people clearly support it.”
This is nonsense….. It matters very much who their (real) leader is. The people voted for a man, not a party, nor the man’s sister….. The PTP have not won repeated elections. How many elections have they won? Thakisn Shinawatra has won repeated elections using a number of political parties as his vehicle.
One of the problems the royalist/”Thai Democrat”/generals group has when dealing with the question of whether or not Thaksin will get or “deserves” to get some kind of amnesty, is that just about everybody knows at some level, conscious or unconscious, that while Thaksin may or may not have been “guilty” of various corruption and “crimes”, the actual case he’s been “convicted and sentenced to 2 years”, ie., the Ratchadapisek land acquisition-at-public-auction by his wife that he was required to sign his name on as her legal husband (unlike Sutthep who is not the “legal” husband of his very-active-in-business wife of some years for instance) is complete BS/nonsense, not “Rule of Law/Impartial Justice” at all, which is one reason Interpol and all the governments in the world have never taken the so-called “conviction” seriously and never honored all the many requests from the Abhisi/Kasit group to arrest and deport Thaksin back to Thailand.
Re: the so-called “policy corruption” case in which Thaksin’s one+ billion dollars was expropriated, despite the fact that he owned his mobile phone company and had this value prior to becoming Prime Minister, that process was also deeply flawed, biased, politicized and unclear, so much so that the same process could be applied to almost any of the leaders and officials who have ruled Thailand, including the Abhisit/Korn/Generals who ruled from the 2006 coup thru the recent election.
So the actual question in regard to an “amnesty” which includes Thaksin is, has he actually been convicted of anything in a Free, Fair, Transparent and Rule of Law trial, and if he has not, why shouldn’t he get an amnesty and be allowed to return to Thailand?
If the only reason is that certain powerful royalists and generals don’t “like” him, that is hardly a reason based on any of the actual “legal” processes and rights of someone who is a Thai citizen.
About Bangladesh Muslims invade Rakhine State, Myanmar and want Myanmar to become Muslim (Islamic ) country.
These inhuman Musilm rapists and killers , terrorists insult Rakhine people and Myanmar people by raping and killing and burning of Rakhine girls , Myanmar girls , Myanmar people , Rakhine villages and Myanmar villages . Hire good lawyer and Arrest these inhuman , real and true Muslim rapists and killers immediately and behead these inhuman , real and true Muslim rapists and killers and terrorists immediately in front of Myanmar public to lesson Muslims in Arakan ( Rakhine) state and Myanmar and World. Behead these inhuman Muslim rapists and killers like Muslims behead other religions.
Declare war on Muslims who raped Rakhine girls, ladies and Myanmar girls and ladies. We must lesson Muslims that we Myanmar will rape and behead your Muslim girls and kill and burn your Mosques , Muslim markets , Muslim villages and Muslim homes if you rape, behead our Rakhine girls , Myanmar girls and kill Rakhine and Myanmar people . Rape and behead their Muslim girls and burn all Mosques , Muslim markets, Muslim villages and homes for revenge. Defence our Buddism in Myanmar. Most Muslim are devils , evils , monsters and inhuman barbarians. because they behead innocent other religion. Only devils , evils , monsters and inhuman and barbarians behead innocent people. It is very cruel for civilized world. Civilized country and world don’t behead innocent people.
[Ed note: This comment included a very long and very strongly-worded anti-Muslim call-to-arms. Those elements have been deleted but the opening paragraph remains to give New Mandala readers some sense of the anti-Rohingya rhetoric which has emerged. NSF]
Given the nature of the site you are better off allowing ‘anonymity’ (such as it is), unless you want to encourage self-censorship and thereby support political repression of people living in not-so democratic states.
I would suggest adding SSL to the site and getting rid of IP logging if you can. IPs are of little value from a site security point of view these days, but they can be a significant liability to posters when someone turns up with a court order or just breaks in.
C56. It doesnt matter who the PTP leader is as they have shown they can repeatedly win elections, and what their motivation is becomes irrelevant as people clearly support it. However, it is just ridiculous for a party that is a serial loser to keep a leader who is hated in regions they need to win seats to assume power.
The only conclusions are that either the Democrats are all morons (higly unlikely), that their party will be ripped apart by infighting if the hated one is removed (possible as the southern controlling faction despise Korn), that they have no talent (well PTP have shown a stuffed toy can win elections), they are just an incredibly arrogant part of the elite that does what they want without consideration for anyone (totally true) or that they know the hated one will at some stage be returned to power by another coup of some kind with another judicial one looking the most likely now, and that the leaders of smaller parties that also hate Abhisit and would rather never work with him will once again be pressured into returning him to the seat of power.
King Bhumipol also seems to have reviewed his life — and had in the twilight of his life an imposing huge statue in honor of his killed elder brother, Mahidol (Rama VIII), erected. See the link at
” . . . why do the Dems keep Abhisit as their leader?” – (#50)
The Democrats will probably keep Abhisit as their leader a while longer while Thaksin-Yingluck continue on with their stupid ‘reconciliation’ charade. But perhaps sooner, rather than later, the Democrats would realize that Abhisit V. as their leader will foment animosity from the Northeastern region . . . and thus Abhisit Vejajiva’s ‘polarizing’ image cancels himself out from the Thai Prime Minister’s chair.
Unlike the Peau Thai Party, the Democrats are capable of making a transition to a new leader.
The Peau Thai Party on the other hand, conceived to serve the interests and priorities of the Shinawatra family, will merrily on continue with their Red and Black shirts distraction of mobs shock-and-awe . . . to coerce the non-Reds to submit to that very repulsive idea of Thaksin amnesty.
As per a subject the Thai Dems have sorted to use street mobs for their political gain, just like the PAD and PTP, I believe both the multicolored and Lightening rod are their encompassed political machines. Mor Thul is definitely a Dems’ street canvasser disguised as a royalist, formerly White-shirts with no other affiliation.
It is simply impossible to differentiate the United Sates and Australia come to defence or more correctly aggressive trade route protection and resource and business territorial security.
See Stephen Smith with his inane grin moving like a tail behind Panetta in all pictures. One has to remember Australia wants to be the United States of Asia and are proud to host the US marines on their soils .
Johnny’s Deputy Sheriff mentality runs deep in the Lucky Land.
I think you need to raise the point about if RA is representing the UDD or Thaksin with them and not me.
I believe some people within the PTP administration have seriously considered invoking Article 12 (3) but are waiting for this initial process to play out.
Is the application a cynical and bogus PR exercise? I don’t think it is and, as I’ve said before, the ICC would’ve rejected it months ago if it was. You are of course entitled to your opinion on the matter but, for me, the only people who really matter, at this point, are the ICC.
I’m sure if they decide to reject it on the grounds it was “bogus” they will certainly say so.
Whichever way one spins or beautifies, the act of support of the military as they allow Australia to rape and pillage is deplorable. Even Herald Sun feels enlightened enough to say that.
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Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
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Counting on the National League for Democracy
Plan B,
Congratulations!!!
Amnesty’s silence on lese majeste
[…] Ben Zawacki, has been repeatedly questioned regarding to comments he once made that appeared to defend the use of the lese majeste law. He was also queried for seemingly colluding with Abhisit-era Thai government officials when […]
Reconciliation games
Nobby K @#60 – Chuan LeekPai rides again ???
Reconciliation games
Vichai N is right. If the ammart want to install their own Prime Minister I think they will chose a different ‘good man’ to Abhisit next time.
Counting on the National League for Democracy
Predicting the future of NLD advocating for The Citizenry Freedom will be akin to what the ‘Uncles’ might be doing next to set back the ongoing progress.
Especially with the preponderance of self serving record at best and shameful back stabbing at the worst, making NLD as a force for freedom rather doubtful if not unrealistic.
Mr T. Wilson, whose undisputed extensive understanding of Myanmar will best serve Myanmar Citizenry by pointing to:
How the Military can and must be brought under the same process of “The rule of law” that is evident within the constitutions, must be the goal by all Hlutthaw members.
The Australian government/other Western nations must help in promoting as well as achieving the goal.
After all the real power/ruling entity in Myanmar today and in the near future will still be the Military that answer to no such process as “The rule of law”
Not until this Military is brought under the same rule of law/constitutions that it has created for everyone else what the Hlutthaw or the NLD can be is rather –extraneous.
Reconciliation games
#57
“It doesnt matter who the PTP leader is as they have shown they can repeatedly win elections, and what their motivation is becomes irrelevant as people clearly support it.”
This is nonsense….. It matters very much who their (real) leader is. The people voted for a man, not a party, nor the man’s sister….. The PTP have not won repeated elections. How many elections have they won? Thakisn Shinawatra has won repeated elections using a number of political parties as his vehicle.
Reconciliation games
Vichai N:
One of the problems the royalist/”Thai Democrat”/generals group has when dealing with the question of whether or not Thaksin will get or “deserves” to get some kind of amnesty, is that just about everybody knows at some level, conscious or unconscious, that while Thaksin may or may not have been “guilty” of various corruption and “crimes”, the actual case he’s been “convicted and sentenced to 2 years”, ie., the Ratchadapisek land acquisition-at-public-auction by his wife that he was required to sign his name on as her legal husband (unlike Sutthep who is not the “legal” husband of his very-active-in-business wife of some years for instance) is complete BS/nonsense, not “Rule of Law/Impartial Justice” at all, which is one reason Interpol and all the governments in the world have never taken the so-called “conviction” seriously and never honored all the many requests from the Abhisi/Kasit group to arrest and deport Thaksin back to Thailand.
Re: the so-called “policy corruption” case in which Thaksin’s one+ billion dollars was expropriated, despite the fact that he owned his mobile phone company and had this value prior to becoming Prime Minister, that process was also deeply flawed, biased, politicized and unclear, so much so that the same process could be applied to almost any of the leaders and officials who have ruled Thailand, including the Abhisit/Korn/Generals who ruled from the 2006 coup thru the recent election.
So the actual question in regard to an “amnesty” which includes Thaksin is, has he actually been convicted of anything in a Free, Fair, Transparent and Rule of Law trial, and if he has not, why shouldn’t he get an amnesty and be allowed to return to Thailand?
If the only reason is that certain powerful royalists and generals don’t “like” him, that is hardly a reason based on any of the actual “legal” processes and rights of someone who is a Thai citizen.
BBC under fire on Rohingyas
About Bangladesh Muslims invade Rakhine State, Myanmar and want Myanmar to become Muslim (Islamic ) country.
These inhuman Musilm rapists and killers , terrorists insult Rakhine people and Myanmar people by raping and killing and burning of Rakhine girls , Myanmar girls , Myanmar people , Rakhine villages and Myanmar villages . Hire good lawyer and Arrest these inhuman , real and true Muslim rapists and killers immediately and behead these inhuman , real and true Muslim rapists and killers and terrorists immediately in front of Myanmar public to lesson Muslims in Arakan ( Rakhine) state and Myanmar and World. Behead these inhuman Muslim rapists and killers like Muslims behead other religions.
Declare war on Muslims who raped Rakhine girls, ladies and Myanmar girls and ladies. We must lesson Muslims that we Myanmar will rape and behead your Muslim girls and kill and burn your Mosques , Muslim markets , Muslim villages and Muslim homes if you rape, behead our Rakhine girls , Myanmar girls and kill Rakhine and Myanmar people . Rape and behead their Muslim girls and burn all Mosques , Muslim markets, Muslim villages and homes for revenge. Defence our Buddism in Myanmar. Most Muslim are devils , evils , monsters and inhuman barbarians. because they behead innocent other religion. Only devils , evils , monsters and inhuman and barbarians behead innocent people. It is very cruel for civilized world. Civilized country and world don’t behead innocent people.
[Ed note: This comment included a very long and very strongly-worded anti-Muslim call-to-arms. Those elements have been deleted but the opening paragraph remains to give New Mandala readers some sense of the anti-Rohingya rhetoric which has emerged. NSF]
Comments, comments, comments
Given the nature of the site you are better off allowing ‘anonymity’ (such as it is), unless you want to encourage self-censorship and thereby support political repression of people living in not-so democratic states.
I would suggest adding SSL to the site and getting rid of IP logging if you can. IPs are of little value from a site security point of view these days, but they can be a significant liability to posters when someone turns up with a court order or just breaks in.
Better not to collect them at all.
Reconciliation games
C56. It doesnt matter who the PTP leader is as they have shown they can repeatedly win elections, and what their motivation is becomes irrelevant as people clearly support it. However, it is just ridiculous for a party that is a serial loser to keep a leader who is hated in regions they need to win seats to assume power.
The only conclusions are that either the Democrats are all morons (higly unlikely), that their party will be ripped apart by infighting if the hated one is removed (possible as the southern controlling faction despise Korn), that they have no talent (well PTP have shown a stuffed toy can win elections), they are just an incredibly arrogant part of the elite that does what they want without consideration for anyone (totally true) or that they know the hated one will at some stage be returned to power by another coup of some kind with another judicial one looking the most likely now, and that the leaders of smaller parties that also hate Abhisit and would rather never work with him will once again be pressured into returning him to the seat of power.
Altantuya and Malaysia’s 13th general elections
It will be a big surprise to me if this post will goes without any comments.
This sucka….dhukka is unbelievable!!!.
Review of A Life’s Work
King Bhumipol also seems to have reviewed his life — and had in the twilight of his life an imposing huge statue in honor of his killed elder brother, Mahidol (Rama VIII), erected. See the link at
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/HM-unveils-King-Rama-VIII-statue-30183856.html
Reconciliation games
” . . . why do the Dems keep Abhisit as their leader?” – (#50)
The Democrats will probably keep Abhisit as their leader a while longer while Thaksin-Yingluck continue on with their stupid ‘reconciliation’ charade. But perhaps sooner, rather than later, the Democrats would realize that Abhisit V. as their leader will foment animosity from the Northeastern region . . . and thus Abhisit Vejajiva’s ‘polarizing’ image cancels himself out from the Thai Prime Minister’s chair.
Unlike the Peau Thai Party, the Democrats are capable of making a transition to a new leader.
The Peau Thai Party on the other hand, conceived to serve the interests and priorities of the Shinawatra family, will merrily on continue with their Red and Black shirts distraction of mobs shock-and-awe . . . to coerce the non-Reds to submit to that very repulsive idea of Thaksin amnesty.
Reconciliation games
As per a subject the Thai Dems have sorted to use street mobs for their political gain, just like the PAD and PTP, I believe both the multicolored and Lightening rod are their encompassed political machines. Mor Thul is definitely a Dems’ street canvasser disguised as a royalist, formerly White-shirts with no other affiliation.
Reconciliation games
Dear Greg,
As Andrew Spooner suggested earlier, why not ask Robert Amsterdam directly.
Better than going for obvious reasons based on suppositions, I think.
Thant Myint-U on Yangon
U Moe Aung,
It is simply impossible to differentiate the United Sates and Australia come to defence or more correctly aggressive trade route protection and resource and business territorial security.
See Stephen Smith with his inane grin moving like a tail behind Panetta in all pictures. One has to remember Australia wants to be the United States of Asia and are proud to host the US marines on their soils .
Johnny’s Deputy Sheriff mentality runs deep in the Lucky Land.
Reconciliation games
Greg lowe – 51
The logic is, if the filing is just a PR stunt then the Abhisit, the dem and their sponsors have nothing to worry about, as it is just a PR stunt.
Reconciliation games
Greg
I think you need to raise the point about if RA is representing the UDD or Thaksin with them and not me.
I believe some people within the PTP administration have seriously considered invoking Article 12 (3) but are waiting for this initial process to play out.
Is the application a cynical and bogus PR exercise? I don’t think it is and, as I’ve said before, the ICC would’ve rejected it months ago if it was. You are of course entitled to your opinion on the matter but, for me, the only people who really matter, at this point, are the ICC.
I’m sure if they decide to reject it on the grounds it was “bogus” they will certainly say so.
But, if they accept it? What then?
Thant Myint-U on Yangon
Whichever way one spins or beautifies, the act of support of the military as they allow Australia to rape and pillage is deplorable. Even Herald Sun feels enlightened enough to say that.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/lifting-of-burma-sanctions-premature-say-human-rights-activists/story-e6frf7lf-1226389967627
Again like the Healthy Eating Fund is but small change to buy out a good name for business survival for McDonald, ..
But,
Many a times these lines have been written before in different context.
Burma is not like any other land . Neither are the Burmese (all ethnicities).