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MC.
Thank you for that ‘peek’ into the grassroot politics of Sabah Malaysian kampung. Ballot box stuffing can easily happen in very remote places. It must be alarming for a foreigner like you, these vote cheating practices. This is part and parcel in the remote moo baan or kampung of Isarn Thailand. An essential strategy of the main Thai opposition to win the next general election and bring back their master and owner, former strongman Thaksin Shinawatra.
And, do you think the Malaysian opposition PAS or PKR won’t do the essential when they are with the odds they can change? Let’s hope these poor and uneducated voters’ confidence wouldn’t be shaken after the election, wherever.
I read somewhere years ago, pain is Nature’s means of getting back and it is also root of knowledge. MC, you need to live in kampung long enough to understand the worldview of these numskulls or numbskulls. Here in Isarn Thailand, alcohol and death wish are synonyms. Our local admnistrative chairman and his vices drank their ways up the ladder of power. Even boy scouts enjoy it with their scout teacher at campsite. Mor ram or local concert ground was littered with drink bottles which were conveniently used to open skulls. Jokingly the mor ram mc called the mid-night’s melee, ‘the phra viharn battle’. My neighbour spent her meagre sum on the last night’s bash. A medium-sized king cobra passed my garden into her garden. The snake came as windfall in her wok plus all the garden erbs and condiments. ‘Knu how pad ped’ or Stir-fried Cobra in Hot Local Spices. Talking about cobra in Thai politics and the intriques. How about Eel in Roller Skates? This is not a Thai dish but a Thai politician…..
Yes… this trunch is by leaps and bounds more juicy than the last… I think however, that its pretty hard to take most of the information as fact given that the newspapers must (for obvious security reasons) black out who the informants are…
I was 2nd year Mechanical Engineering Student. a lot of my friends gathering in front of the school to demonstrate . then we pick up Hino Passenger Bus and marching to Rangoon News paper Press Building.
Then we are gathering in RASU where U Thant Body was lying. Before I do not know politic then I understand what is democracy.
My name: Than Htay( Tommy from Moulmein)
My class mate 1978 & 79.
Please write to me freely. [email protected]
Analysis of the occurrance of coup years. Presumably tongue firmly in cheek? Seems a bit like wasted effort though. Most of the longtermers are content with the thought that a coup is always imminent. And if it is not a fullblown job complete with tanks, then there is undoubtedly a virtual coup going on every week of the year. One can’t help feeling that the observation of such utterly decadent behaviour is somewhat akin to voyeurism. Titillating, but ultimately useless. Let the fools play their silly games!
It must be hard being a real ACM and having to observe passively while another ACM cocks its leg on your ceremonial trews or slobbers in your water glass. The urge to drive a well-aimed boot up its derriere would be irresistable in NORMAL life. Indeed, why else do military men wear boots?
@ jeez
Thank you for that honest comment. But I think this also prevails among most Malaysians as noted by @ neptunian #3 about his nephew.
We don’t seem to realise that India, China and Vietnam are producing better quality graduates in proportions higher than we are. And we demand the government to protect us from competition.
@ neptunian #8 is also correct that the end objective of education is the ability to think (and hopefully good character). Malaysia’s education system has definitely failed in this.
I predict elections. Followed by a Judicial Coup again. Enough Red cards to disqualify enough TRT/PPP/PT candidates to make the shaky coalition hobbled together get bare majority to keep PT out of power.
If PT wins outright, another dissolution with executives banned again. Only problem with that is that shortly the 5 year limit is up on the first group of 111.
If PT is able to get a government together, it will not be allowed to goveren (again), and the courts, military, and the amart willl be in the background obstructing them.
If PT does win and is allowed to govern their will be a new election shortly after the limit on the 111 exectives expires.
There will be attempts to get a referendum between the 2007 constitution and the 1997 constitution, and that just prior to the vote there will be a coup because the military will quake in their boots at the thought of being held resposible for for the crimes they committed against the Thai people.
Again, the will of the Thai people will be snuffed out.
This time however, the world will start to slap restictions on Thailand. And the similarities to Burma and other authoritain governents will not be overlooked and sanctions will follow.
The KIO refused the CPB’s offer due to their opposition to being put under the control of the CPB. Under Maran Brang Seng, the KIO dropped demands for a separate independent state and asked for a federal union, as did a number of other ethnic groups. The Kokang forces were originally a part of the CPB, which was not in favor of independent ethnic states. As far as I am aware the Kokang people may have asked for autonomy, but never an independent country. Only the KNU has consistently asked for a separate independent country, so to blame the ethnic minorities for the military staying in power because of minority racial bias requires a pretty selective reading, or rather misreading of post-independence Burmese history.
Sorry, I’m a bit confused. The Appeals Court ruled in her favor and annulled the sentence. How then is the case still going forward to the Constitutional Court? The way it’s written in the article, it doesn’t seem like an appeal from the Appeals Court decision, but rather a lateral transfer. Wouldn’t this constitute double jeopardy? (is there a Thai equivalent?)
I’m afraid I agree with Arnold. FACThai wrote in its coverage of the second day of Chiranuch’s trial, the second day of Tanawut’s trial, and the reading of this verdict, that Darunee has Cancer of the jaw.
Of course her torturers have denied her medical attention. I’m sure now they will deny her bail and hurl her back in prison.
Remember, in Thailand it’s “Sentence first, verdict later.” Just as the Queen of Wonderland demands that it be.
I think the coup has already happened. Abhisit obediently authorized their invasion of Cambodia, aka an ‘artillery exercise with live rounds’. The military has clearly got the bit in its teeth and are waging a war against Cambodia. Their self-described “jek” has just ‘advised’ them to capture Angkor Wat and then trade it for Preah Vihar.
The unofficial ‘elite’ mouthpiece over at the “jek’s” electronic rage observed the other day that the military didn’t like the idea of an early election because Puea Thia might win… and come to think of it, they didn’t really like the idea of the Democrats winning either… might make them more independent.
Whether or not there will be war with Cambodia is up to the Thai military. Whether or not there will be an election is up to the Thai military.
If we take into account the political system in which the coup or revolt happened, we come to other conclusions. Roughly eight coup happened during authoritarian rule (too many to list here). On the average a coup within such systems happened all three to four years, and these tended to be successful. There were three coup in semi-democratic system (1951, 1981, 1985, 1991) and on the average a coup happened about all four to five years, but most failed. Three coup ended more or less democratic periods (1947, 1976, 2006). Here the average is a bit more than ten years (so much for stability of democratic or authoritarian systems!). (This changes to nine years if we add the 1991 coup under “democratic”). Therefore, it depends on how the period since 2006 is regarded. When democratic no coup, if not, a coup is quite probable.
Certainly the characterization of the political systems during the respective periods is open for interpretation and change. The criteria was mainly if a “democratic” constitution existed or not.
Another interesting calculation would be, how many rumors of a coup do we have during one month. Does a coup happen during periods of much or little rumor?
I expect justice. I still believe that justice remains in Thai society.
Hope dies last. I expect justice as well. It is crucial to cover the actual court sessions. FACThai has covered the first two, I hope they can continue. Thai courts are not used to scrutiny. Usually there is no there to say “Hey, that’s ridiculous and absurd… you cannot do that!” As in the case of Darunee, where the ‘judge’ simply closed her trial and then ruled on the constitutionality of his own closure! That was overturned today. Not because the higher court suddenly ‘got religion’ but because allowing that ridiculous ruling to stand demonstrated too clearly how utterly devoid of justice the Thai ‘justice’ system is, and the Oxonians can’t have that. They learned something in England. You have to maintain the appearance of justice. They had to overturn that egregious error ‘for show’. They will probably keep Darunee in prison, even though she apparently has cancer of the jaw. The Thai authorities are torturers as well.
I hope the same obtains with Chiranuch’s trial. The judge in her case has already admitted to having come up with her verdict before the trial even had started! Chiranuch’s case would have been declared a mistrial already in any country where the rule of law was taken seriously.
That’s the problem in Thailand. They lock you up before your trial. “Sentence first, verdict later”, as the Queen was so fond of screaming.
If you are eventually acquitted you will have spent years behind bars in any case. And they do abuse prisoners behind bars. They are medieval.
I expect Chiranuch to receive justice in spite of, certainly because of, the Thai system of ‘justice’. But I am not so deluded to think that anyone else might.
I would say that bumiputra undergraduates are not dumb but they are too relax. Given that i am a bumiputra myself and have been mixing up with bumi’s friend all along. I could see that most of them feel that they are always in comfort zone.
Y are they unemployed? try n have a look at their result transcript. I would say most of them even who are studying in overseas only manage to pass “cukup makan” the exams which enables them to get a degree. I believe even the company that i am working right now would only employ those who get cgpa 3.3o and above. Are they dumb? I believe not… but you could see they r just relaxing and wasting their time even when the exams are near.
When it comes to assignments, what do they do? They will search for a friend to copy the assignment or take their friend’s material. Conclusion: no effort at all.
I have asked one of my friend at uni,”Oi kau nak keje ape kalau result takat pass?”. and what he replied.”kerajaan je kowt”. I would say this is generally what are in the minds of these bumi’s.
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Malays should not fear!
MC.
Thank you for that ‘peek’ into the grassroot politics of Sabah Malaysian kampung. Ballot box stuffing can easily happen in very remote places. It must be alarming for a foreigner like you, these vote cheating practices. This is part and parcel in the remote moo baan or kampung of Isarn Thailand. An essential strategy of the main Thai opposition to win the next general election and bring back their master and owner, former strongman Thaksin Shinawatra.
And, do you think the Malaysian opposition PAS or PKR won’t do the essential when they are with the odds they can change? Let’s hope these poor and uneducated voters’ confidence wouldn’t be shaken after the election, wherever.
I read somewhere years ago, pain is Nature’s means of getting back and it is also root of knowledge. MC, you need to live in kampung long enough to understand the worldview of these numskulls or numbskulls. Here in Isarn Thailand, alcohol and death wish are synonyms. Our local admnistrative chairman and his vices drank their ways up the ladder of power. Even boy scouts enjoy it with their scout teacher at campsite. Mor ram or local concert ground was littered with drink bottles which were conveniently used to open skulls. Jokingly the mor ram mc called the mid-night’s melee, ‘the phra viharn battle’. My neighbour spent her meagre sum on the last night’s bash. A medium-sized king cobra passed my garden into her garden. The snake came as windfall in her wok plus all the garden erbs and condiments. ‘Knu how pad ped’ or Stir-fried Cobra in Hot Local Spices. Talking about cobra in Thai politics and the intriques. How about Eel in Roller Skates? This is not a Thai dish but a Thai politician…..
On messages to Senior General Than Shwe
Yes… this trunch is by leaps and bounds more juicy than the last… I think however, that its pretty hard to take most of the information as fact given that the newspapers must (for obvious security reasons) black out who the informants are…
1974 U Thant uprising – a first hand account
I was 2nd year Mechanical Engineering Student. a lot of my friends gathering in front of the school to demonstrate . then we pick up Hino Passenger Bus and marching to Rangoon News paper Press Building.
Then we are gathering in RASU where U Thant Body was lying. Before I do not know politic then I understand what is democracy.
My name: Than Htay( Tommy from Moulmein)
My class mate 1978 & 79.
Please write to me freely.
[email protected]
Coup talk in Thailand
Analysis of the occurrance of coup years. Presumably tongue firmly in cheek? Seems a bit like wasted effort though. Most of the longtermers are content with the thought that a coup is always imminent. And if it is not a fullblown job complete with tanks, then there is undoubtedly a virtual coup going on every week of the year. One can’t help feeling that the observation of such utterly decadent behaviour is somewhat akin to voyeurism. Titillating, but ultimately useless. Let the fools play their silly games!
Air Chief Marshall Fu Fu’s promotion gets leaked
The poodle has at least learned a few tricks. ……
It must be hard being a real ACM and having to observe passively while another ACM cocks its leg on your ceremonial trews or slobbers in your water glass. The urge to drive a well-aimed boot up its derriere would be irresistable in NORMAL life. Indeed, why else do military men wear boots?
Bumiputera graduate unemployment and Malaysia’s world class education system – a recipe for disaster
@ jeez
Thank you for that honest comment. But I think this also prevails among most Malaysians as noted by @ neptunian #3 about his nephew.
We don’t seem to realise that India, China and Vietnam are producing better quality graduates in proportions higher than we are. And we demand the government to protect us from competition.
@ neptunian #8 is also correct that the end objective of education is the ability to think (and hopefully good character). Malaysia’s education system has definitely failed in this.
Coup talk in Thailand
I think August and December are the two months that never had any coup, or successful one that is, interesting?
A busy day in court in Bangkok
It is humiliating to parade Kenny in chains in public, he has a young son. We love Kenny and will not stay silent while he is humiliated in this way.
The Devil’s Discus – in Thai
Reference to post #138
If anybody wishes a copy of The Devil’s Discus (English version) in microsoft word format, please just contact me.
thehouse30AThotmailDOTcom
Coup talk in Thailand
Les,
Who would benefit?
The military of course!
If their puppet loses, they wont allow a government to come to power that will hold them accountable for their accounts and actions.
Coup talk in Thailand
Will there be a coup?
I predict elections. Followed by a Judicial Coup again. Enough Red cards to disqualify enough TRT/PPP/PT candidates to make the shaky coalition hobbled together get bare majority to keep PT out of power.
If PT wins outright, another dissolution with executives banned again. Only problem with that is that shortly the 5 year limit is up on the first group of 111.
If PT is able to get a government together, it will not be allowed to goveren (again), and the courts, military, and the amart willl be in the background obstructing them.
If PT does win and is allowed to govern their will be a new election shortly after the limit on the 111 exectives expires.
There will be attempts to get a referendum between the 2007 constitution and the 1997 constitution, and that just prior to the vote there will be a coup because the military will quake in their boots at the thought of being held resposible for for the crimes they committed against the Thai people.
Again, the will of the Thai people will be snuffed out.
This time however, the world will start to slap restictions on Thailand. And the similarities to Burma and other authoritain governents will not be overlooked and sanctions will follow.
The Devil’s Discus – in Thai
Could you send me a copy too please Steve. Thanks in advance.
Long shadow of war in Kachin State
The KIO refused the CPB’s offer due to their opposition to being put under the control of the CPB. Under Maran Brang Seng, the KIO dropped demands for a separate independent state and asked for a federal union, as did a number of other ethnic groups. The Kokang forces were originally a part of the CPB, which was not in favor of independent ethnic states. As far as I am aware the Kokang people may have asked for autonomy, but never an independent country. Only the KNU has consistently asked for a separate independent country, so to blame the ethnic minorities for the military staying in power because of minority racial bias requires a pretty selective reading, or rather misreading of post-independence Burmese history.
Court win for Da Torpedo
Sorry, I’m a bit confused. The Appeals Court ruled in her favor and annulled the sentence. How then is the case still going forward to the Constitutional Court? The way it’s written in the article, it doesn’t seem like an appeal from the Appeals Court decision, but rather a lateral transfer. Wouldn’t this constitute double jeopardy? (is there a Thai equivalent?)
Court win for Da Torpedo
I’m afraid I agree with Arnold. FACThai wrote in its coverage of the second day of Chiranuch’s trial, the second day of Tanawut’s trial, and the reading of this verdict, that Darunee has Cancer of the jaw.
Of course her torturers have denied her medical attention. I’m sure now they will deny her bail and hurl her back in prison.
Remember, in Thailand it’s “Sentence first, verdict later.” Just as the Queen of Wonderland demands that it be.
The Thai ‘elite’ are a truly vile bunch.
Coup talk in Thailand
I think the coup has already happened. Abhisit obediently authorized their invasion of Cambodia, aka an ‘artillery exercise with live rounds’. The military has clearly got the bit in its teeth and are waging a war against Cambodia. Their self-described “jek” has just ‘advised’ them to capture Angkor Wat and then trade it for Preah Vihar.
The unofficial ‘elite’ mouthpiece over at the “jek’s” electronic rage observed the other day that the military didn’t like the idea of an early election because Puea Thia might win… and come to think of it, they didn’t really like the idea of the Democrats winning either… might make them more independent.
Whether or not there will be war with Cambodia is up to the Thai military. Whether or not there will be an election is up to the Thai military.
The coup is a fait accompli.
Coup talk in Thailand
If we take into account the political system in which the coup or revolt happened, we come to other conclusions. Roughly eight coup happened during authoritarian rule (too many to list here). On the average a coup within such systems happened all three to four years, and these tended to be successful. There were three coup in semi-democratic system (1951, 1981, 1985, 1991) and on the average a coup happened about all four to five years, but most failed. Three coup ended more or less democratic periods (1947, 1976, 2006). Here the average is a bit more than ten years (so much for stability of democratic or authoritarian systems!). (This changes to nine years if we add the 1991 coup under “democratic”). Therefore, it depends on how the period since 2006 is regarded. When democratic no coup, if not, a coup is quite probable.
Certainly the characterization of the political systems during the respective periods is open for interpretation and change. The criteria was mainly if a “democratic” constitution existed or not.
Another interesting calculation would be, how many rumors of a coup do we have during one month. Does a coup happen during periods of much or little rumor?
Interview with Chiranuch Premchaiporn, editor of Prachatai.com
I expect justice. I still believe that justice remains in Thai society.
Hope dies last. I expect justice as well. It is crucial to cover the actual court sessions. FACThai has covered the first two, I hope they can continue. Thai courts are not used to scrutiny. Usually there is no there to say “Hey, that’s ridiculous and absurd… you cannot do that!” As in the case of Darunee, where the ‘judge’ simply closed her trial and then ruled on the constitutionality of his own closure! That was overturned today. Not because the higher court suddenly ‘got religion’ but because allowing that ridiculous ruling to stand demonstrated too clearly how utterly devoid of justice the Thai ‘justice’ system is, and the Oxonians can’t have that. They learned something in England. You have to maintain the appearance of justice. They had to overturn that egregious error ‘for show’. They will probably keep Darunee in prison, even though she apparently has cancer of the jaw. The Thai authorities are torturers as well.
I hope the same obtains with Chiranuch’s trial. The judge in her case has already admitted to having come up with her verdict before the trial even had started! Chiranuch’s case would have been declared a mistrial already in any country where the rule of law was taken seriously.
That’s the problem in Thailand. They lock you up before your trial. “Sentence first, verdict later”, as the Queen was so fond of screaming.
If you are eventually acquitted you will have spent years behind bars in any case. And they do abuse prisoners behind bars. They are medieval.
I expect Chiranuch to receive justice in spite of, certainly because of, the Thai system of ‘justice’. But I am not so deluded to think that anyone else might.
Bumiputera graduate unemployment and Malaysia’s world class education system – a recipe for disaster
I would say that bumiputra undergraduates are not dumb but they are too relax. Given that i am a bumiputra myself and have been mixing up with bumi’s friend all along. I could see that most of them feel that they are always in comfort zone.
Y are they unemployed? try n have a look at their result transcript. I would say most of them even who are studying in overseas only manage to pass “cukup makan” the exams which enables them to get a degree. I believe even the company that i am working right now would only employ those who get cgpa 3.3o and above. Are they dumb? I believe not… but you could see they r just relaxing and wasting their time even when the exams are near.
When it comes to assignments, what do they do? They will search for a friend to copy the assignment or take their friend’s material. Conclusion: no effort at all.
I have asked one of my friend at uni,”Oi kau nak keje ape kalau result takat pass?”. and what he replied.”kerajaan je kowt”. I would say this is generally what are in the minds of these bumi’s.
Luckily, I’m not that kind of bumi.
cheers