I don’t consider myself a “supporter’ of Thaksin” as I did not vote for the defunct TRT. I have not come from a disadvantaged background either – top English boarding school followed by Oxbridge education; the educational profile paralleled Thailand’s 27th Prime Minister. Let Vichai N and his like wake up to reality that not only “the paid, the poor, the corrupt, the stupid, and the gullible” are ‘supporting’ Thaksin. Out there in a world of complex reality, some of us don’t give a monkey if we’re seen to have been bribed or paid by Thaksin. I, for one, couldn’t careless. The “frog in a coconut shell” attitude doesn’t affect my life; what does is I did not, cannot, and will not live up to something I believe in.
Arthurson: 555! Excellent application of that joke.
Peter: The wording of your second paragraph may sound harsh to anyone who’s never spent time at an international school in Bangkok, but my kids have been classmates with the “rich, spoiled, racist and arrogant” spawn of “Thai-Chinese Yuppies” for eight years now, so I feel confident in agreeing with your opinion. Were it not so, because those kids will be running the country in a few years…
Wrong RN England! The worst thing about Thailand is that it is run by people like Vichai N. and also opposed by people like Vichai N. (Who clearly despise the majority of their fellow countrymen and women, but are nevertheless prepared to ruthlessly exploit them for every measley baht. ) If you believe any of these faction leaders are in the least bit honest, you are truly deluded. The Vichais of Thailand, in whatever shirt, are only in it as a means to bend the succession to their financial advantage. Neither side has any real intention of ushering in a more just & equitable society, since that would mean their having to graft instead of just living like lazy-arse parasites.
interestingly, Thaksin was gentleman enough to step down under media massaged pressure, but Abhisit seemingly far too thick to do this even for more solid reasons; if it was not clear to everyone it should be now: the propaganda and state machinery installed by coup leaders under puppet master Prem is a failed self-interested project: lets hope the entrenched, antidemocratic Democrat Party-amaat alliance will collapse soon…
So Vichai N, are you saying that those yellow “guard” Sondhi L and the coup leader Sondhi B. are doing for the good of the country, and furthermore they didnt get benefit from their “service” to the country???? now that’s a huge hypocrite.
It is sad, but this kid IS a hero amongst his peers. I deal with self-entitled little pricks like him, every day at school. (Can you taste the bitterness?)
Behind every coddled snot-nosed prince, there’s a whole lot of parenting that has not gone on. A natural outcome of outsourcing your precious little one’s upbringing to the so-called “buffalo” nanny from Isaan or Burma. (Not knocking the nannies of course. God knows what it must be like to be at the mercy of these people, 24/7.)
It is rather soothing to know that this fool is representative of the pedigree of the “educated” Bangkok elite. The red shirts must be laughing with glee. I certainly am.
I am partly in agreement with R.N. England . . . that it would be bad for Thailand if people like Vichai N run things (luckily I don’t see any Vichai N clones in Thai government). The worst is, R.N. England, if people like Thaksin and his gang or his nominees will govern Thailand . . and these Thaksin clones and wannabes procreate like rats in the gutter.
I do despise Thai people who readily sell their votes and despise even more the people who corrupts the very poor and the very vulnerable. Had I been running things, I’d lock up anybody who sell or buy votes and throw away the keys.
A good article, but it overstates the size of the pink shirt rally and march, and seems to underplay the size of the crowds on the red shirt side and misses the point that there are a large number of red shirts who live and work in Bangkok.
I think there are a few myths that need to be refuted about the protest.
1. It’s not mainly northeasters, each time I have been a lot people leave to go home late in the evening, and come back the next day. I’d say (at a very bad guess) that Bangkokians outnumber out of towners.
2. The crowd are not political illiterates. They go to listen to the speeches, talk to aother about politics. I’ve never seen such an open and active level of political discussion (admittedly from only one side) even in the west.
3. People aren’t paid to attend. I know there is some money passed around and I know some of my relatives have occasionally got 500 baht to go, but this is not buying their political opinion, but to enable them to attend. They are strong red shirts regardless of the payment
You Farangs may not believe in karma but just like the wind, it does exist. The enjoyment of watching an evil idea unfold in real life is irresistible isn’t it
Thongchai:
Your earnestness is appreciated! Amen and praise the Lord.
Yess’m mastah!
Note for you’all out there…
Press Release
5 April 2010
Today, 5 April 2010, I received a phone call at 15:00 hrs. from Pol. Lt. Samaphorn Chatrakulphanit (Tel. 089-4555301), case investigation official, Phahon Yothin Metropolitan Police Station (Tel. 02-5122447), Bangkok. She called to indicate that Pol. Lt. Col. Wattanasak Mungkitkarndee , who had filed criminal defamation charges against me for what he claims was defamatory information on my website, http://www.thekoratpost.com, was currently attempting to lodge an additional complaint of violating the Computer Crime Act (2007). Lt. Samaphorn stated that at the moment an allegation as such had not been made but was under review for lodging if it was concluded that the complaint could be substantiated. She indicated that she was just calling to inform me that I may be called to Bangkok again for questioning similar to that during my first visit to answer Akbar Khan’s initial charges. If so, it would be my fourth visit engineered by Khan and Wattanasak.
I informed Lt. Samaphorn that if Wattanasak (and presumably Khan) wanted to play this kind of game he could find himself also facing new allegations including lèse majesté and offense of terrorism as a start. She seemed nonplussed and again stated that she was just calling to inform me.
“They forget that Thais are also human, not royal subjects any more. ”
So, following this logic, those who consider themselves royal subjects are not human?
Last week we saw a breakdown in negotiations between the government and red shirts and it had absolutely NOTHING to do with LM.
On their stage reds make all sorts of demands and revelations, never ever heard them complaining about LM.
There are all sorts of posts asking for all sorts of discussions here on NM or on Prachatai. I don’t claim to read it all, but so far the main problem appears to be that people have nothing new to say rather than someone stopping them.
Just how many times can you read about breakaway Isan, or JFL, or Susie Wong, quoting from notthenation, of all places.
Intolerance, personal abuse and censorship are far bigger obstacles to debates here, not LM per se.
My father and mother went to the rally site in front of Central World last night about 8-10pm local time and wound up sitting near to the stage. My father said most of the faces he saw there were not “Northeasterners” but Bangkok people. At one point when Veera was speaking onstage and said “We will not back down, we will not give up,” the crowd leapt to their feet and cheered ecstatically for a good 10 minutes. There seems to be no abatement to the Red Shirts’ determination despite 4 weeks of protests.
Thai government/ISPs has started blocking targeted page(s) in Facebook inside Thailand. This is change to one week ago. I was fearing they might block the whole address but at least they this time manage to block only the group page.
Asia Sentinel is annoyingly blocked every second day with every time different looking block page. It is actually quite funny to see what image they are using this time.
FYI — The human rights (HR) organizations in Thailand and the international ones do not defend ANY of the victims of the LM law. They consider the Thai king a champion of HR; but he is so vulnerable to malicious attacks, hence the need for special protection by the LM law.
So far, AI refuses to consider any case of the LM victims. For Da Torpedo, they consider her speech is a hate speech, instead of a political speech. They have yet to say why other victims also fail their criteria for prisoner of conscience. They have yet to explain why all of them are not “political prisoners” (with or without hate speech). The charm of the LM law is international and universal.
I truly believe with utmost sincerity that the Thai monarch is so great and he should be globally recognised as the Supreme King International of the Entire Human World, the Galaxy, and the Entire Universe Since the Big Bang (SKIEHWGEUSBB). He is literally the true Universal Monarch (cakkravartin) of our time.
Under the royal spell (SKIEHWGEUSBB), the AI and HR people forget that the H stand for HUMAN. They forget that Thais are also human, not royal subjects any more. Under the royal spell (SKIEHWGEUSBB), the HR becomes HIERARCHICAL rights as if Thais deserve sub-human treatment. Under the royal spell, AI stands for Apologist International or Apathetic International to serious human rights violations in Thailand.
The above comments is a criticism of the HR organizations, plus a highest praise of the King. Therefore it doesn’t violate Thailand’s LM law.
Re. Stan G:
As I said before, it’s basically useless to comment on his remarks or debate with him. The rules of logic and reason are not palatable to him.
It will be interesting this Friday afternoon. I have an appointment with police and public prosecutor to find out/determine if they are going to or not go ahead with formal charges based on Akbar Khan’s allegation against me for criminal defamation. I wonder if my counter-filings had anything to do with this.
And I continue to suspect that those who support Thaksin are for the most part getting paid by Thaksin . . . including those sporting blazing Red shirts or . . . closet pro-Thaksins wearing red underwear instead.
Don’t we all have suspicions we wish clarified?
Alladin rues that by airing my suspicions, Vichai N ‘demeans the reputation of the blog itself and those who contribute to it.’ What reputation Alladin?
I place it before you gentlemen and if only those undereducated underpaid underclass who make up the Red Shirts could read and understand most of what has been argued and debated at New Mandala . . . they would have turned their backs against Thaksin’s divisive and corrupting politics and spat at his demeaning cash handouts and stomped at those horrid red costumes.
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R. N. England,
The best thing about Thailand is that it is not run by people like Vichai N.
Re ‘”Supporters” of Thaksin, you are getting paid by him!’
I don’t know about the others. I can only speak for myself. From September 2006, I have defended Thaksin, in writing as well as in person in several biased public/academic forums hosted in UK. (eg. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/letters/article6920452.ece
I don’t consider myself a “supporter’ of Thaksin” as I did not vote for the defunct TRT. I have not come from a disadvantaged background either – top English boarding school followed by Oxbridge education; the educational profile paralleled Thailand’s 27th Prime Minister. Let Vichai N and his like wake up to reality that not only “the paid, the poor, the corrupt, the stupid, and the gullible” are ‘supporting’ Thaksin. Out there in a world of complex reality, some of us don’t give a monkey if we’re seen to have been bribed or paid by Thaksin. I, for one, couldn’t careless. The “frog in a coconut shell” attitude doesn’t affect my life; what does is I did not, cannot, and will not live up to something I believe in.
I know I am not alone on this shore.
Occupation of the malls – UPDATED
Arthurson: 555! Excellent application of that joke.
Peter: The wording of your second paragraph may sound harsh to anyone who’s never spent time at an international school in Bangkok, but my kids have been classmates with the “rich, spoiled, racist and arrogant” spawn of “Thai-Chinese Yuppies” for eight years now, so I feel confident in agreeing with your opinion. Were it not so, because those kids will be running the country in a few years…
Imagining a new mandala in mainland Southeast Asia
Wrong RN England! The worst thing about Thailand is that it is run by people like Vichai N. and also opposed by people like Vichai N. (Who clearly despise the majority of their fellow countrymen and women, but are nevertheless prepared to ruthlessly exploit them for every measley baht. ) If you believe any of these faction leaders are in the least bit honest, you are truly deluded. The Vichais of Thailand, in whatever shirt, are only in it as a means to bend the succession to their financial advantage. Neither side has any real intention of ushering in a more just & equitable society, since that would mean their having to graft instead of just living like lazy-arse parasites.
Anti-pro-democracy
interestingly, Thaksin was gentleman enough to step down under media massaged pressure, but Abhisit seemingly far too thick to do this even for more solid reasons; if it was not clear to everyone it should be now: the propaganda and state machinery installed by coup leaders under puppet master Prem is a failed self-interested project: lets hope the entrenched, antidemocratic Democrat Party-amaat alliance will collapse soon…
Imagining a new mandala in mainland Southeast Asia
So Vichai N, are you saying that those yellow “guard” Sondhi L and the coup leader Sondhi B. are doing for the good of the country, and furthermore they didnt get benefit from their “service” to the country???? now that’s a huge hypocrite.
Occupation of the malls – UPDATED
It is sad, but this kid IS a hero amongst his peers. I deal with self-entitled little pricks like him, every day at school. (Can you taste the bitterness?)
Behind every coddled snot-nosed prince, there’s a whole lot of parenting that has not gone on. A natural outcome of outsourcing your precious little one’s upbringing to the so-called “buffalo” nanny from Isaan or Burma. (Not knocking the nannies of course. God knows what it must be like to be at the mercy of these people, 24/7.)
It is rather soothing to know that this fool is representative of the pedigree of the “educated” Bangkok elite. The red shirts must be laughing with glee. I certainly am.
Peace,
Rageltjie
“I’m not insulting your king, I’m insulting you.”
Imagining a new mandala in mainland Southeast Asia
I am partly in agreement with R.N. England . . . that it would be bad for Thailand if people like Vichai N run things (luckily I don’t see any Vichai N clones in Thai government). The worst is, R.N. England, if people like Thaksin and his gang or his nominees will govern Thailand . . and these Thaksin clones and wannabes procreate like rats in the gutter.
I do despise Thai people who readily sell their votes and despise even more the people who corrupts the very poor and the very vulnerable. Had I been running things, I’d lock up anybody who sell or buy votes and throw away the keys.
Anti-pro-democracy
A good article, but it overstates the size of the pink shirt rally and march, and seems to underplay the size of the crowds on the red shirt side and misses the point that there are a large number of red shirts who live and work in Bangkok.
Occupation of the malls – UPDATED
I think there are a few myths that need to be refuted about the protest.
1. It’s not mainly northeasters, each time I have been a lot people leave to go home late in the evening, and come back the next day. I’d say (at a very bad guess) that Bangkokians outnumber out of towners.
2. The crowd are not political illiterates. They go to listen to the speeches, talk to aother about politics. I’ve never seen such an open and active level of political discussion (admittedly from only one side) even in the west.
3. People aren’t paid to attend. I know there is some money passed around and I know some of my relatives have occasionally got 500 baht to go, but this is not buying their political opinion, but to enable them to attend. They are strong red shirts regardless of the payment
Imagining a new mandala in mainland Southeast Asia
You Farangs may not believe in karma but just like the wind, it does exist. The enjoyment of watching an evil idea unfold in real life is irresistible isn’t it
The evidence of intention
Thongchai:
Your earnestness is appreciated! Amen and praise the Lord.
Yess’m mastah!
Note for you’all out there…
Press Release
5 April 2010
Today, 5 April 2010, I received a phone call at 15:00 hrs. from Pol. Lt. Samaphorn Chatrakulphanit (Tel. 089-4555301), case investigation official, Phahon Yothin Metropolitan Police Station (Tel. 02-5122447), Bangkok. She called to indicate that Pol. Lt. Col. Wattanasak Mungkitkarndee , who had filed criminal defamation charges against me for what he claims was defamatory information on my website, http://www.thekoratpost.com, was currently attempting to lodge an additional complaint of violating the Computer Crime Act (2007). Lt. Samaphorn stated that at the moment an allegation as such had not been made but was under review for lodging if it was concluded that the complaint could be substantiated. She indicated that she was just calling to inform me that I may be called to Bangkok again for questioning similar to that during my first visit to answer Akbar Khan’s initial charges. If so, it would be my fourth visit engineered by Khan and Wattanasak.
I informed Lt. Samaphorn that if Wattanasak (and presumably Khan) wanted to play this kind of game he could find himself also facing new allegations including lèse majesté and offense of terrorism as a start. She seemed nonplussed and again stated that she was just calling to inform me.
The evidence of intention
“They forget that Thais are also human, not royal subjects any more. ”
So, following this logic, those who consider themselves royal subjects are not human?
Last week we saw a breakdown in negotiations between the government and red shirts and it had absolutely NOTHING to do with LM.
On their stage reds make all sorts of demands and revelations, never ever heard them complaining about LM.
There are all sorts of posts asking for all sorts of discussions here on NM or on Prachatai. I don’t claim to read it all, but so far the main problem appears to be that people have nothing new to say rather than someone stopping them.
Just how many times can you read about breakaway Isan, or JFL, or Susie Wong, quoting from notthenation, of all places.
Intolerance, personal abuse and censorship are far bigger obstacles to debates here, not LM per se.
Occupation of the malls – UPDATED
A Facebook hero with a growing Fan Club for using the Porsche his Daddy gave him to try to run over unarmed demonstrators and their vehicles?!
Bangkok’s present crop of rich, spoiled, racist and arrogant Thai-Chinese Yuppies are starting to give Yuppies a bad name………..
Occupation of the malls – UPDATED
My father and mother went to the rally site in front of Central World last night about 8-10pm local time and wound up sitting near to the stage. My father said most of the faces he saw there were not “Northeasterners” but Bangkok people. At one point when Veera was speaking onstage and said “We will not back down, we will not give up,” the crowd leapt to their feet and cheered ecstatically for a good 10 minutes. There seems to be no abatement to the Red Shirts’ determination despite 4 weeks of protests.
Imagining a new mandala in mainland Southeast Asia
The worst thing about Thailand is that it is run by people like Vichai N., who clearly despise the majority of their fellow countrymen and women.
Chiranuch behind bars
Thai government/ISPs has started blocking targeted page(s) in Facebook inside Thailand. This is change to one week ago. I was fearing they might block the whole address but at least they this time manage to block only the group page.
Asia Sentinel is annoyingly blocked every second day with every time different looking block page. It is actually quite funny to see what image they are using this time.
The evidence of intention
FYI — The human rights (HR) organizations in Thailand and the international ones do not defend ANY of the victims of the LM law. They consider the Thai king a champion of HR; but he is so vulnerable to malicious attacks, hence the need for special protection by the LM law.
So far, AI refuses to consider any case of the LM victims. For Da Torpedo, they consider her speech is a hate speech, instead of a political speech. They have yet to say why other victims also fail their criteria for prisoner of conscience. They have yet to explain why all of them are not “political prisoners” (with or without hate speech). The charm of the LM law is international and universal.
I truly believe with utmost sincerity that the Thai monarch is so great and he should be globally recognised as the Supreme King International of the Entire Human World, the Galaxy, and the Entire Universe Since the Big Bang (SKIEHWGEUSBB). He is literally the true Universal Monarch (cakkravartin) of our time.
Under the royal spell (SKIEHWGEUSBB), the AI and HR people forget that the H stand for HUMAN. They forget that Thais are also human, not royal subjects any more. Under the royal spell (SKIEHWGEUSBB), the HR becomes HIERARCHICAL rights as if Thais deserve sub-human treatment. Under the royal spell, AI stands for Apologist International or Apathetic International to serious human rights violations in Thailand.
The above comments is a criticism of the HR organizations, plus a highest praise of the King. Therefore it doesn’t violate Thailand’s LM law.
The evidence of intention
Re. Stan G:
As I said before, it’s basically useless to comment on his remarks or debate with him. The rules of logic and reason are not palatable to him.
The evidence of intention
It will be interesting this Friday afternoon. I have an appointment with police and public prosecutor to find out/determine if they are going to or not go ahead with formal charges based on Akbar Khan’s allegation against me for criminal defamation. I wonder if my counter-filings had anything to do with this.
Imagining a new mandala in mainland Southeast Asia
Suspicions . . . gentlemen . . . suspicions.
And I continue to suspect that those who support Thaksin are for the most part getting paid by Thaksin . . . including those sporting blazing Red shirts or . . . closet pro-Thaksins wearing red underwear instead.
Don’t we all have suspicions we wish clarified?
Alladin rues that by airing my suspicions, Vichai N ‘demeans the reputation of the blog itself and those who contribute to it.’ What reputation Alladin?
I place it before you gentlemen and if only those undereducated underpaid underclass who make up the Red Shirts could read and understand most of what has been argued and debated at New Mandala . . . they would have turned their backs against Thaksin’s divisive and corrupting politics and spat at his demeaning cash handouts and stomped at those horrid red costumes.