“That’s not true Lee as Chalongwan one of the Thai scholars said in the talk and as I have discussed before that LM is not about criticize the king, so if he and you are sincere as other international scholar who call for the reform of Thailand Lese Majeste, he and you should lead the talk and dicuss on the strenght and drawback”
You are either extremely naiive, or you are just being deliberately disingenuous — probably the latter.
As someone who was there, you know full well that I tried to encourage as many people as possible to speak up and only intervened to stop people making ad hominem attacks. I did try – gently, I will admit, which was a response to what I perceived as reticence – to draw people’s political thoughts out, but people were generally unwilling to tackle LM directly. My mere observation of this in my original article drew criticism on the grounds that people did not think it safe to speak up. You say criticising LM is not about criticising the king — well, the distinction is a very fine one. It is perfectly obvious that all LM prosecutions are politically motivated. And two government officials were in the room, monitoring the talk and everyone else. It is hardly surprising that the discussion took a rather circuitous route. Moreover, a number of people turned up specifically to defend the personage of the king, so they clearly thought that’s what the session was about.
As for pro-Giles comments getting moderated before anti-Giles ones, I think that is just a silly accusation to level at the site managers.
The healthcare debate is an interesting one. In the UK, we do have a major phenomenon now of the “worried well” who use the National Health Service when they really have no reason to. But that is because the government has made it a central means by which to re-legitimise itself and reconnect with a very disaffected and apathetic public (generally public policy and elite-mass engagement here revolves around articulations of fear, including public health scares). I don’t really know enough about Thai society to say whether that applies in Thailand, but my hunch is, not, or at least not in the same way, even given the centrality of the 30 baht scheme to TRT’s platform.
There are doubtless good criticisms to be made about Thaksin’s profiteering from his private hospitals while the poor get bad-quality massified healthcare. These are valid concerns. But so far I’ve not seen any good arguments here for not providing universal healthcare of a high quality through progressive taxation. The levels of wealth at the top of Thai society are astounding and easily enough to finance a decent level of public services.
However, the level of debate on healthcare hasn’t yet exceeded an anecdotal one where Prasit offers his insights to ‘educate’ his juniors who lack ‘experience’. What is needed is some sort of objective data like the stuff posted earlier about how much is spent on mass vs. elite healthcare, such as, number of completed hospital episodes, cases people present with, etc, in order to really judge why people came to hospital and what they were actually treated for.
Thanks Yud to bring us out of the track again but I am very happy to educate young medical students.
First of all that show that you are not have any idea on UC at all is about the coverage of UC. From your case experience (but should be aware when you are going into the examination because the examiner will be not interested in how many cases you have experienced), dialysis is not coverage by universal health care system by Taksin.
Anyway, many patients are rescued with the support from the foundation of kidney disease Thailand under the royal patronage of HRH PRincess Kalyaniwattana and the peritoneal dialysis is under consideration of the health system team.
And about your assumption, about increasing demand after UC has launched reflect the real pictures of scarcity is far from the truth. They donot worry about payment anymore. The patients go to hospital for minor illness and increase such work loads to hospitals.
In your tiny case experiences that they have to loan from illegal source, it should not be worry even before UC becuase we have the system for the poor or very poor person call Sor Por Ror, I think you might come across these project before.
To sum up and to stop your false idea about UC is UC is not everything for health and money per capita from this project can not do anything with patients in term of quality care, drug quality is reduced, high cost treament has been not coverage.
In regards to Prince Mahidol Songkhla, thanks you to show his egalitarian style. That’s the other point that we praised him as the father of medicine. But as you talk about the time when Thailand are still under absolute monarchy at the very beginning of his medical career, so he is in the very difficult position to be the Prince doctor and he choose to practice in the missionary hospital that show his good mind to help people. So again thank you that you show another good point from his royal biography. About taxpayer, I am not convince that poor pay more tax (may be Taksin can know these) and I am not convince again about rich exploited their fortune (some one work hard, some one use their political or political business opportunity for their own interest). Hope you bacome a good doctor and understand the real picture of health care system in Thailand soon.
For the last point, I admit that I miss the information because you lable royal that should be carefull and so, I agree with you that military budget should not increase without any reasonable situation now. But I convince you should go deep in epidemiology and look for the association study and you will understand more about causal relationship and association is not the same. For the example, if the military increase the budget before the recession and just success in budget sharing in time of economic recession, it doesn’t mean that economic recession will be more downturn from the military budget share or military budget is the cause of economic recession.
OK, that’s not about LM and I think we might have another comments on health care system somewhereelse if the moderator happy with these.
PS the Princess mother medical volunteer reflect the inaccessibility of health care system but UC by Taksin do nothing with solving inaccessibility problem and create more problem for the patients who really nead health care because the que and waiting list from those unnecessary use. So J can deny this truth also but it is the fact.
And fortunately, I have first hand experience about the Princess mother medical voulnteer, so I can guarantee the good intention and result of this project.
Surprisingly, Jiles copy manifesto from other country, or it is incidentally.? That’s why a people from that talk ask that why do we have to copy or change or modernize follow the western world?
Taro Mongkoltip, Just read yr comment above. I wonder if u can comment on the fact that at the moment there are a number of Thais who are imprisoned with no hope of being granted bail, and no warranty of fair trial. Do they deserve to rot in jail simply because they want to express their opinion honestly and boldly? You may argue that these Thais were rude, ungrateful, manipulated or whatever, but is the act of throwing people in jail simply because they say something against ‘mainstream’ notions of things normal in a democratic society? Once a person is accused of violating this particularly draconian law, it is a well-known fact in Thailand and abroad that no fair trial can be expected .Very likely, one’s life is doomed, if not totally destroyed once such a charge is made against him/her? Is this fine by u? I guess u would say the wisest people are those who shut their eyes, ears and refrain from speaking against all sort of injustices and stay comfy and complacent in their own living room, right?
Being sensitive abt local context or cultural tradition is fine, but when ‘cultural uniqueness’ or ‘ the ‘uniqueness of a way of life/norms/ tradition’ is used to justify authoritarianism or tyranny, or violate the basics of the right of an individual to freedom of expression, do u still regard this as fine??? Please do answer. I’m curious to get to know yr line of thought.
The country is in a serious situation, people have lost faith in the whole system. Our old tradition of kindness has been replaced by power struggle. We feel the monarchy is no longer the institution we can depend on. We have lost trust in the institution as the place to turn to in hard times. We feel the judicial institution has two standards in regarding to justice. People no longer have confidence in the military as the institution to protect what is good for the country. We also feel that political institution is the place where dirty tricks are the rule of the game.
The issue of legitimacy and confidence should be urgent enough to begin discussion about the crisis, I would think.
That’s not true Lee as Chalongwan one of the Thai scholars said in the talk and as I have discussed before that LM is not about criticize the king, so if he and you are sincere as other international scholar who call for the reform of Thailand Lese Majeste, he and you should lead the talk and dicuss on the strenght and drawback (if you want to give rational discussion) of LM itself not about talk to criticize the king and lead misunderstanding on the topics that the speaker didnot understand well enough like ma ra yard thai or Thai good mannerism or Thai health care system which is not involve with LM at all.
And again I have notice that Lee or others who support Jiles might have more rapid moderation of comment as I have three more comments left before Lee’s latest comment.
I don’t really understand why it’s so important for foreigners to be involved in someone else’s society.
Are there any specific reason that you really need to discuss about Royal Thai monarchy. Is it related to your well-being or life threatening in anyway at all?
Each country has their own way of living. Thai’s lese majeste law has been part of Thailand for very long time. It has been accepted in their society, accepted by majority of people. It’s the way that their democracy is and has been. There is nothing to do with you at all. If you can’t accept their laws. Then don’t go to their country. Simple is that. I’m sure that each of your very own country has some sort of human right problem, why don’t you just use your spare to fix it before offering your service for someone else when they don’t even need it.
Comparing to United States of America, who always think that they have right to do whatever they like. American’s laws give America the right to invade Iraq and many other countries in the past and maybe in future, killing thousand of innocent people in their countries. What give you the right to do that? what kind of human right is that?
I don’t see how US, Canada, UK, Australia, Hong Kong, Philippines, Holland, Italy, Singapore, Finland and India are better compare to Thailand. So before you start judging someone else’s country. Better go back and take care of your own.
Sincerely Yours,
Taro
PS. The more I see you guys want to get involved in Thai society, the more I believe that Thai’s King should have never released Harry Nicolaides. (Freedom of speech huh? hurt a bit right?)
р╣Вр╕Ир╕гр╕нр╕вр╕╣р╣Ир╣Ар╕лр╕Щр╕╖р╕нр╕Бр╕Ор╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕в р╕Ър╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕Зр╕вр╣Ир╕нр╕бр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕кр╕Зр╕Ъ
When thieves are above the law, the country thus has no peace.
р╕гр╣Ир╕зр╕бр╕Бр╕▒р╕Щр╕кр╕╣р╣Й..р╕кр╕╣р╣Й р╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕Ър╕бр╕▓р╕гр╣Бр╕Ьр╣Ир╕Щр╕Фр╕┤р╕Щ
Together we fight..fight to eliminate the wicked evil doer of the land.
р╣Бр╕Ьр╣Ир╕Щр╕Фр╕┤р╕Щр╕гр╣Йр╕нр╕Щр╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕▓р╕░р╕бр╕▓р╕гр╕Вр╕вр╕▒р╕Ъ
The land is heat up because evil doers make a move.
Above mentioned are the Red Shirt posters in support of Jakrapob Penkair.
It is absolutely wrong to face criminal charge for speaking truth, for having different points of view. Education has given us the capacity to understand. Morality demands us to serve virtue. These are the essence of being a scholar.
I call on the world to save good people from the darkness evil force in Thailand. The cruelty of an oppressive authoritarian injustice lese majeste law will lead to conflicts across the land: the north, the northeast, the central and the southern region. I urge the intellectual insight and foresight of the situation.
a recent article quoted Pornthip as saying that based om equipment the police had two years ago the police could not distinguish the chemical signature of C4 from the rogue tear gas, the police rebutted and she said thy should have their discussion in court rather than public… presumably meaning the conclusion is not clear cut
and a few weeks back someone said that their was a particular police officer who emerged from the ranks, fired the rogue tear gas then slipped back under cover several times… the police officer was named as a highly regarded special forces guy of some sort…. seems to me highly probable he was setup to frame the police perhaps by our old privy council mate who appears in public with a big smile when his military mates win
I like this thread, as this is finally about something substantial: health care. I can also notice that almost everyone has something constructive to add. Despite the different beliefs and ideologies behind our thoughts, I think everyone here is trying to yield to practical things rather than political preconceptions, which is a very good thing, given the fact that many posters here are Thai. Hope this is a sign that the bogus Yellow/Red civil war is only a state of mind, and its days are counted.
Back to LM laws: I tend to agree that there should be changes, rather than outright elimination. Creating more divisions within Thai society wouldn’t help this cause at all. Most monarchies have some mild forms of LM laws (mostly, though, hardly ever enforced), and even republican states have laws to defend the most important institutions (the President, the Premier…). These laws become dangerous when ordinary people can accuse each other of having offended an institution, as this clearly promotes shady “calculated” moves aimed at discrediting other individuals. These accusations are often completely baseless, and so far the false accusers didn’t have to face any punishment, as far as I know. Also, the jail terms are way too long, totally out of proportion.
One more thing: the international community seems to focus mostly on the foreigners who get jail terms for LM, but are rather oblivious of the fact that some Thais are in jail for the same reasons. This sounds a bit unfair to me. Do we foreigners only care about other foreigners?
“There is more things to discuss about LM and he and also Lee didn’t attempt to lead the talk in the track as the title announced”
Sorry you didn’t think my chairing was up to much, Prasit. I could probably have done better. However, as was made clear earlier, it was quite difficult to encourage people to speak up about LM when two government officials were in the room spying on everyone.
Thanks Yud to bring us out of the track again but I am very happy to educate young medical students.
First of all that show that you are not have any idea on UC at all is about the coverage of UC. From your case experience (but should be aware when you are going into the examination because the examiner will be not interested in how many cases you have experienced), dialysis is not coverage by universal health care system by Taksin.
Anyway, many patients are rescued with the support from the foundation of kidney disease Thailand under the royal patronage of HRH PRincess Kalyaniwattana and the peritoneal dialysis is under consideration of the health system team.
And about your assumption, about increasing demand after UC has launched reflect the real pictures of scarcity is far from the truth. They donot worry about payment anymore. The patients go to hospital for minor illness and increase such work loads to hospitals.
In your tiny case experiences that they have to loan from illegal source, it should not be worry even before UC becuase we have the system for the poor or very poor person call Sor Por Ror, I think you might come across these project before.
To sum up and to stop your false idea about UC is UC is not everything for health and money per capita from this project can not do anything with patients in term of quality care, drug quality is reduced, high cost treament has been not coverage.
In regards to Prince Mahidol Songkhla, thanks you to show his egalitarian style. That’s the other point that we praised him as the father of medicine. But as you talk about the time when Thailand are still under absolute monarchy at the very beginning of his medical career, so he is in the very difficult position to be the Prince doctor and he choose to practice in the missionary hospital that show his good mind to help people. So again thank you that you show another good point from his royal biography. About taxpayer, I am not convince that poor pay more tax (may be Taksin can know these) and I am not convince again about rich exploited their fortune (some one work hard, some one use their political or political business opportunity for their own interest). Hope you bacome a good doctor and understand the real picture of health care system in Thailand soon.
For the last point, I admit that I miss the information because you lable royal that should be carefull and so, I agree with you that military budget should not increase without any reasonable situation now. But I convince you should go deep in epidemiology and look for the association study and you will understand more about causal relationship and association is not the same. For the example, if the military increase the budget before the recession and just success in budget sharing in time of economic recession, it doesn’t mean that economic recession will be more downturn from the military budget share or military budget is the cause of economic recession.
OK, that’s not about LM and I think we might have another comments on health care system somewhereelse if the moderator happy with these.
PS the Princess mother medical volunteer reflect the inaccessibility of health care system but UC by Taksin do nothing with solving inaccessibility problem and create more problem for the patients who really nead health care because the que and waiting list from those unnecessary use. So J can deny this truth also but it is the fact.
And fortunately, I have first hand experience about the Princess mother medical voulnteer, so I can guarantee the good intention and result of this project.
Surprisingly, Jiles copy manifesto from other country, or it is incidentally.? That’s why a people from that talk ask that why do we have to copy or change or modernize follow the western world?
There’s another extremely good reason why it makes sense to NOT hire an Ivy League graduate for this: they tend to blather and blog. You just can’t shut them up. Openness is not something the Palace thrives on.
I’m only surprised they didn’t just hire a few more Filipinas. When Phra Thep speaks in English, it’s patently obvious that she was taught by one or more of the same.
When I arrived at the conference copies of the letter were set out on the table. I saw both English and Thai versions; I reflexively grabbed an English version and ignored the Thai version. Later, I realized I really wanted a Thai copy as well to give to my wife (well, she’ll be my wife this afternoon, we’re off to the amphur office after lunch, heh) for her to have a read. But there were no more copies to be found.
Anyway, I’ve seen the link online to a pdf file for the English version, but not the Thai version. Is there an available pdf posted here somewhere, of the THAI text?
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“That’s not true Lee as Chalongwan one of the Thai scholars said in the talk and as I have discussed before that LM is not about criticize the king, so if he and you are sincere as other international scholar who call for the reform of Thailand Lese Majeste, he and you should lead the talk and dicuss on the strenght and drawback”
You are either extremely naiive, or you are just being deliberately disingenuous — probably the latter.
As someone who was there, you know full well that I tried to encourage as many people as possible to speak up and only intervened to stop people making ad hominem attacks. I did try – gently, I will admit, which was a response to what I perceived as reticence – to draw people’s political thoughts out, but people were generally unwilling to tackle LM directly. My mere observation of this in my original article drew criticism on the grounds that people did not think it safe to speak up. You say criticising LM is not about criticising the king — well, the distinction is a very fine one. It is perfectly obvious that all LM prosecutions are politically motivated. And two government officials were in the room, monitoring the talk and everyone else. It is hardly surprising that the discussion took a rather circuitous route. Moreover, a number of people turned up specifically to defend the personage of the king, so they clearly thought that’s what the session was about.
As for pro-Giles comments getting moderated before anti-Giles ones, I think that is just a silly accusation to level at the site managers.
The healthcare debate is an interesting one. In the UK, we do have a major phenomenon now of the “worried well” who use the National Health Service when they really have no reason to. But that is because the government has made it a central means by which to re-legitimise itself and reconnect with a very disaffected and apathetic public (generally public policy and elite-mass engagement here revolves around articulations of fear, including public health scares). I don’t really know enough about Thai society to say whether that applies in Thailand, but my hunch is, not, or at least not in the same way, even given the centrality of the 30 baht scheme to TRT’s platform.
There are doubtless good criticisms to be made about Thaksin’s profiteering from his private hospitals while the poor get bad-quality massified healthcare. These are valid concerns. But so far I’ve not seen any good arguments here for not providing universal healthcare of a high quality through progressive taxation. The levels of wealth at the top of Thai society are astounding and easily enough to finance a decent level of public services.
However, the level of debate on healthcare hasn’t yet exceeded an anecdotal one where Prasit offers his insights to ‘educate’ his juniors who lack ‘experience’. What is needed is some sort of objective data like the stuff posted earlier about how much is spent on mass vs. elite healthcare, such as, number of completed hospital episodes, cases people present with, etc, in order to really judge why people came to hospital and what they were actually treated for.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Thanks Yud to bring us out of the track again but I am very happy to educate young medical students.
First of all that show that you are not have any idea on UC at all is about the coverage of UC. From your case experience (but should be aware when you are going into the examination because the examiner will be not interested in how many cases you have experienced), dialysis is not coverage by universal health care system by Taksin.
Anyway, many patients are rescued with the support from the foundation of kidney disease Thailand under the royal patronage of HRH PRincess Kalyaniwattana and the peritoneal dialysis is under consideration of the health system team.
And about your assumption, about increasing demand after UC has launched reflect the real pictures of scarcity is far from the truth. They donot worry about payment anymore. The patients go to hospital for minor illness and increase such work loads to hospitals.
In your tiny case experiences that they have to loan from illegal source, it should not be worry even before UC becuase we have the system for the poor or very poor person call Sor Por Ror, I think you might come across these project before.
To sum up and to stop your false idea about UC is UC is not everything for health and money per capita from this project can not do anything with patients in term of quality care, drug quality is reduced, high cost treament has been not coverage.
In regards to Prince Mahidol Songkhla, thanks you to show his egalitarian style. That’s the other point that we praised him as the father of medicine. But as you talk about the time when Thailand are still under absolute monarchy at the very beginning of his medical career, so he is in the very difficult position to be the Prince doctor and he choose to practice in the missionary hospital that show his good mind to help people. So again thank you that you show another good point from his royal biography. About taxpayer, I am not convince that poor pay more tax (may be Taksin can know these) and I am not convince again about rich exploited their fortune (some one work hard, some one use their political or political business opportunity for their own interest). Hope you bacome a good doctor and understand the real picture of health care system in Thailand soon.
For the last point, I admit that I miss the information because you lable royal that should be carefull and so, I agree with you that military budget should not increase without any reasonable situation now. But I convince you should go deep in epidemiology and look for the association study and you will understand more about causal relationship and association is not the same. For the example, if the military increase the budget before the recession and just success in budget sharing in time of economic recession, it doesn’t mean that economic recession will be more downturn from the military budget share or military budget is the cause of economic recession.
OK, that’s not about LM and I think we might have another comments on health care system somewhereelse if the moderator happy with these.
PS the Princess mother medical volunteer reflect the inaccessibility of health care system but UC by Taksin do nothing with solving inaccessibility problem and create more problem for the patients who really nead health care because the que and waiting list from those unnecessary use. So J can deny this truth also but it is the fact.
And fortunately, I have first hand experience about the Princess mother medical voulnteer, so I can guarantee the good intention and result of this project.
Surprisingly, Jiles copy manifesto from other country, or it is incidentally.? That’s why a people from that talk ask that why do we have to copy or change or modernize follow the western world?
International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
Taro Mongkoltip, Just read yr comment above. I wonder if u can comment on the fact that at the moment there are a number of Thais who are imprisoned with no hope of being granted bail, and no warranty of fair trial. Do they deserve to rot in jail simply because they want to express their opinion honestly and boldly? You may argue that these Thais were rude, ungrateful, manipulated or whatever, but is the act of throwing people in jail simply because they say something against ‘mainstream’ notions of things normal in a democratic society? Once a person is accused of violating this particularly draconian law, it is a well-known fact in Thailand and abroad that no fair trial can be expected .Very likely, one’s life is doomed, if not totally destroyed once such a charge is made against him/her? Is this fine by u? I guess u would say the wisest people are those who shut their eyes, ears and refrain from speaking against all sort of injustices and stay comfy and complacent in their own living room, right?
Being sensitive abt local context or cultural tradition is fine, but when ‘cultural uniqueness’ or ‘ the ‘uniqueness of a way of life/norms/ tradition’ is used to justify authoritarianism or tyranny, or violate the basics of the right of an individual to freedom of expression, do u still regard this as fine??? Please do answer. I’m curious to get to know yr line of thought.
Giles Ungpakorn invites the Ambassador to debate
The country is in a serious situation, people have lost faith in the whole system. Our old tradition of kindness has been replaced by power struggle. We feel the monarchy is no longer the institution we can depend on. We have lost trust in the institution as the place to turn to in hard times. We feel the judicial institution has two standards in regarding to justice. People no longer have confidence in the military as the institution to protect what is good for the country. We also feel that political institution is the place where dirty tricks are the rule of the game.
The issue of legitimacy and confidence should be urgent enough to begin discussion about the crisis, I would think.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
That’s not true Lee as Chalongwan one of the Thai scholars said in the talk and as I have discussed before that LM is not about criticize the king, so if he and you are sincere as other international scholar who call for the reform of Thailand Lese Majeste, he and you should lead the talk and dicuss on the strenght and drawback (if you want to give rational discussion) of LM itself not about talk to criticize the king and lead misunderstanding on the topics that the speaker didnot understand well enough like ma ra yard thai or Thai good mannerism or Thai health care system which is not involve with LM at all.
And again I have notice that Lee or others who support Jiles might have more rapid moderation of comment as I have three more comments left before Lee’s latest comment.
International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
The letter is a compromise. I am sure that some of those who signed the letter would prefer that the LM law be abolished.
International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
I don’t really understand why it’s so important for foreigners to be involved in someone else’s society.
Are there any specific reason that you really need to discuss about Royal Thai monarchy. Is it related to your well-being or life threatening in anyway at all?
Each country has their own way of living. Thai’s lese majeste law has been part of Thailand for very long time. It has been accepted in their society, accepted by majority of people. It’s the way that their democracy is and has been. There is nothing to do with you at all. If you can’t accept their laws. Then don’t go to their country. Simple is that. I’m sure that each of your very own country has some sort of human right problem, why don’t you just use your spare to fix it before offering your service for someone else when they don’t even need it.
Comparing to United States of America, who always think that they have right to do whatever they like. American’s laws give America the right to invade Iraq and many other countries in the past and maybe in future, killing thousand of innocent people in their countries. What give you the right to do that? what kind of human right is that?
I don’t see how US, Canada, UK, Australia, Hong Kong, Philippines, Holland, Italy, Singapore, Finland and India are better compare to Thailand. So before you start judging someone else’s country. Better go back and take care of your own.
Sincerely Yours,
Taro
PS. The more I see you guys want to get involved in Thai society, the more I believe that Thai’s King should have never released Harry Nicolaides. (Freedom of speech huh? hurt a bit right?)
Karen Colonel reportedly out on bail
Karen Rebels Under Pressure from Thais
http://www.irrawaddy.org/highlight.php?art_id=15242
International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
р╣Вр╕Ир╕гр╕нр╕вр╕╣р╣Ир╣Ар╕лр╕Щр╕╖р╕нр╕Бр╕Ор╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕в р╕Ър╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕Зр╕вр╣Ир╕нр╕бр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕кр╕Зр╕Ъ
When thieves are above the law, the country thus has no peace.
р╕гр╣Ир╕зр╕бр╕Бр╕▒р╕Щр╕кр╕╣р╣Й..р╕кр╕╣р╣Й р╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕Ър╕бр╕▓р╕гр╣Бр╕Ьр╣Ир╕Щр╕Фр╕┤р╕Щ
Together we fight..fight to eliminate the wicked evil doer of the land.
р╣Бр╕Ьр╣Ир╕Щр╕Фр╕┤р╕Щр╕гр╣Йр╕нр╕Щр╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕▓р╕░р╕бр╕▓р╕гр╕Вр╕вр╕▒р╕Ъ
The land is heat up because evil doers make a move.
Above mentioned are the Red Shirt posters in support of Jakrapob Penkair.
It is absolutely wrong to face criminal charge for speaking truth, for having different points of view. Education has given us the capacity to understand. Morality demands us to serve virtue. These are the essence of being a scholar.
I call on the world to save good people from the darkness evil force in Thailand. The cruelty of an oppressive authoritarian injustice lese majeste law will lead to conflicts across the land: the north, the northeast, the central and the southern region. I urge the intellectual insight and foresight of the situation.
In all conscience,
May God save Jakrapob Penkair!
Positions teaching “the future king of Thailand”
May be Giles could submit his resume?
What happened on 7/10/2008?
a recent article quoted Pornthip as saying that based om equipment the police had two years ago the police could not distinguish the chemical signature of C4 from the rogue tear gas, the police rebutted and she said thy should have their discussion in court rather than public… presumably meaning the conclusion is not clear cut
and a few weeks back someone said that their was a particular police officer who emerged from the ranks, fired the rogue tear gas then slipped back under cover several times… the police officer was named as a highly regarded special forces guy of some sort…. seems to me highly probable he was setup to frame the police perhaps by our old privy council mate who appears in public with a big smile when his military mates win
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I like this thread, as this is finally about something substantial: health care. I can also notice that almost everyone has something constructive to add. Despite the different beliefs and ideologies behind our thoughts, I think everyone here is trying to yield to practical things rather than political preconceptions, which is a very good thing, given the fact that many posters here are Thai. Hope this is a sign that the bogus Yellow/Red civil war is only a state of mind, and its days are counted.
Back to LM laws: I tend to agree that there should be changes, rather than outright elimination. Creating more divisions within Thai society wouldn’t help this cause at all. Most monarchies have some mild forms of LM laws (mostly, though, hardly ever enforced), and even republican states have laws to defend the most important institutions (the President, the Premier…). These laws become dangerous when ordinary people can accuse each other of having offended an institution, as this clearly promotes shady “calculated” moves aimed at discrediting other individuals. These accusations are often completely baseless, and so far the false accusers didn’t have to face any punishment, as far as I know. Also, the jail terms are way too long, totally out of proportion.
One more thing: the international community seems to focus mostly on the foreigners who get jail terms for LM, but are rather oblivious of the fact that some Thais are in jail for the same reasons. This sounds a bit unfair to me. Do we foreigners only care about other foreigners?
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“There is more things to discuss about LM and he and also Lee didn’t attempt to lead the talk in the track as the title announced”
Sorry you didn’t think my chairing was up to much, Prasit. I could probably have done better. However, as was made clear earlier, it was quite difficult to encourage people to speak up about LM when two government officials were in the room spying on everyone.
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р╣Гр╕Щр╕бр╕лр╕▓р╕зр╕┤р╕Чр╕вр╕▓р╕ер╕▒р╕вр╕ор╕▓р╕гр╣Мр╕зр╕▓р╕гр╣Мр╕Ф р╕Бр╣Зр╕Чр╕гр╕Зр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╣Ар╕Юр╕╡р╕вр╕Зр╕Щр╕▒р╕Бр╣Ар╕гр╕╡р╕вр╕Щр╣Бр╕Юр╕Чр╕вр╣Мр╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Гр╕Кр╣Ир╣Ар╕Ир╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╕▓р╕в р╣Гр╕Щр╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕Щр╕▓р╕бр╕Ър╕▒р╕Хр╕гр╕Бр╣Зр╕бр╕╡р╕зр╣Ир╕▓ “р╕бр╕┤р╕кр╣Ар╕Хр╕нр╕гр╣Мр╕бр╕лр╕┤р╕Фр╕е р╕кр╕Зр╕Вр╕ер╕▓” р╣Гр╕Щ р╣Ар╕зр╕ер╕▓р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Чр╕▒р╕Ър╕нр╕вр╕╣р╣Ир╣Гр╕Щр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕бр╕╡р╣Ар╕Ир╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╕▓р╕в р╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕нр╕Зр╕Др╣Мр╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕Бр╣Зр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Гр╕Кр╣Ир╣Ар╕Ир╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╕▓р╕в р╣Ар╕гр╕▓р╕Цр╕╖р╕нр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕зр╕▓р╕Зр╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕нр╕Зр╕Др╣Мр╣Ар╕Кр╣Ир╕Щр╕Щр╕╡р╣Й р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╣Ар╕Бр╕╡р╕вр╕гр╕Хр╕┤р╕вр╕ир╕нр╕▒р╕Щр╣Бр╕Чр╣Йр╕Ир╕гр╕┤р╕Зр╣Бр╕Бр╣Ир╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╣Ар╕гр╕▓р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕кр╕бр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕ер╕▒р╕Бр╕йр╕Ур╕░р╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╣Ар╕Ир╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Бр╕Чр╣Йр╕Ир╕гр╕┤р╕З
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Thanks Yud to bring us out of the track again but I am very happy to educate young medical students.
First of all that show that you are not have any idea on UC at all is about the coverage of UC. From your case experience (but should be aware when you are going into the examination because the examiner will be not interested in how many cases you have experienced), dialysis is not coverage by universal health care system by Taksin.
Anyway, many patients are rescued with the support from the foundation of kidney disease Thailand under the royal patronage of HRH PRincess Kalyaniwattana and the peritoneal dialysis is under consideration of the health system team.
And about your assumption, about increasing demand after UC has launched reflect the real pictures of scarcity is far from the truth. They donot worry about payment anymore. The patients go to hospital for minor illness and increase such work loads to hospitals.
In your tiny case experiences that they have to loan from illegal source, it should not be worry even before UC becuase we have the system for the poor or very poor person call Sor Por Ror, I think you might come across these project before.
To sum up and to stop your false idea about UC is UC is not everything for health and money per capita from this project can not do anything with patients in term of quality care, drug quality is reduced, high cost treament has been not coverage.
In regards to Prince Mahidol Songkhla, thanks you to show his egalitarian style. That’s the other point that we praised him as the father of medicine. But as you talk about the time when Thailand are still under absolute monarchy at the very beginning of his medical career, so he is in the very difficult position to be the Prince doctor and he choose to practice in the missionary hospital that show his good mind to help people. So again thank you that you show another good point from his royal biography. About taxpayer, I am not convince that poor pay more tax (may be Taksin can know these) and I am not convince again about rich exploited their fortune (some one work hard, some one use their political or political business opportunity for their own interest). Hope you bacome a good doctor and understand the real picture of health care system in Thailand soon.
For the last point, I admit that I miss the information because you lable royal that should be carefull and so, I agree with you that military budget should not increase without any reasonable situation now. But I convince you should go deep in epidemiology and look for the association study and you will understand more about causal relationship and association is not the same. For the example, if the military increase the budget before the recession and just success in budget sharing in time of economic recession, it doesn’t mean that economic recession will be more downturn from the military budget share or military budget is the cause of economic recession.
OK, that’s not about LM and I think we might have another comments on health care system somewhereelse if the moderator happy with these.
PS the Princess mother medical volunteer reflect the inaccessibility of health care system but UC by Taksin do nothing with solving inaccessibility problem and create more problem for the patients who really nead health care because the que and waiting list from those unnecessary use. So J can deny this truth also but it is the fact.
And fortunately, I have first hand experience about the Princess mother medical voulnteer, so I can guarantee the good intention and result of this project.
Surprisingly, Jiles copy manifesto from other country, or it is incidentally.? That’s why a people from that talk ask that why do we have to copy or change or modernize follow the western world?
Positions teaching “the future king of Thailand”
There’s another extremely good reason why it makes sense to NOT hire an Ivy League graduate for this: they tend to blather and blog. You just can’t shut them up. Openness is not something the Palace thrives on.
I’m only surprised they didn’t just hire a few more Filipinas. When Phra Thep speaks in English, it’s patently obvious that she was taught by one or more of the same.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Chatchanok:
You’re welcome to voice out your dissent about the other’s comments. But make it more relevant and comprehensible please.
Or just another stooge of the………..
International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
DTM:
I saw the Thai version posted at http://www.sameskybooks.org. Have a look for yourself.
International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
When I arrived at the conference copies of the letter were set out on the table. I saw both English and Thai versions; I reflexively grabbed an English version and ignored the Thai version. Later, I realized I really wanted a Thai copy as well to give to my wife (well, she’ll be my wife this afternoon, we’re off to the amphur office after lunch, heh) for her to have a read. But there were no more copies to be found.
Anyway, I’ve seen the link online to a pdf file for the English version, but not the Thai version. Is there an available pdf posted here somewhere, of the THAI text?
Thanks for any and all help. 🙂