Fab-bob: Thanks. Your analysis makes a lot of sense. I suspect this has been the pattern all along the fringes of the uplands frontier.
Keith: Sorry, I don’t know anything substantial on the rubber estates. My remark was based on research done by Atsushi Kitahara on land legislation between the wars. There was a half-hearted policy to impose a ceiling on holdings, and the people who opposed it (or asked for exceptional treatment) were rubber planters in the south. I don’t think Kitahara ever published the paper in English, but I have a manuscript somewhere. If you want it, please contact me and I’ll try to find it.
Snarls, I’ve never supported violent changes. If you refer to a previous exchange I had, you’ll find that the practicality of turning into a republic without bloodshed was discussed and I expressed that foremost non-violence is one of the most important criteria.
And if you were to view the history on both sides of the Channel, you will realize that both Britain and France suffered violent revolutions (a king was beheaded on both sides). Therefore, the contrast I was drawing between Britain and France only had to do with the present nature of the heads of state.
Given the current circumstances, on this issue maybe we need to separate moral outrage and political necessity. Those who want to see the neutralization of the royalist-military forces after the debacle of the last 17 months should be hoping for a strong PPP-led government. In this respect what Samak said in the CNN interview could actually work well for Samak himself and the PPP (including the former student activists).
(i) Samak’s comments will give him credibility with the military leadership, which is important for him as the new defense minister. If the “ekasan lap” is a true indication of the feelings within the upper echelons of the military about PPP-TRT’s ultimate intentions it would be just as well for Samak to demonstrate that he does not share their version of history or ideology (or at least that of the former student activists in the party). He and the PPP need to have a good working relationship with the military in the early days of the government. The royalists will be trying their utmost to destroy the government’s stability since they are fighting for their political survival.
(ii) Samak re-emphasizes his credentials (at least in terms of rhetoric) as an unreconstructed rightist-royalist. This helps him gain some confidence from the royalists, smarting from their big defeat following the formation of the PPP government.
(iii) I don’t know whether the former student leaders-leftists-communists in PPP-TRT would necessarily “cringe” at Samak’s statements, as the Bangkok Post says. Rhetoric is just rhetoric. But in terms of power politics Samak has just helped them defeat the royalist-military-ratchakan state in an important battle (of course, not the last). They are back in power, partly because of Samak. In politics winning is everything. Moreover, Samak coming out with a statement like this ironically works well for them because it focuses attention on October 6. This ought to terrify the royalists, since any “full understanding” of October 6, as the Bangkok Post says it wants, would have to admit the responsibility of the king in the massacre. If this truth became more widely known, coming on the heels of the king’s support for the September 19 coup and the CNS regime, it would severely damage the legitimacy of the monarchy and by implication the royalist establishment. This would presumably translate into greater support for the PPP.
(iv) As Somsak pointed out above, we will witness yet again the hypocrisy of the anti-PPP groups, many of whom supported the royalist coup and the CNS regime. They will come out and express their outrage at Samak’s comments while remaining silent on the role of the king and the royal family in the October 6 massacre.
Anyone wishing to see an end to the manipulation of Thai politics by the king and the royalist-military establishment should welcome the renewed public interest in October 6, whatever Samak says. At the same time, however, they should be hoping for a strong PPP government.
Methinks it is almost a disservice to post the transcript of this interview here as some might then miss the absolute, yet admittedly guilty pleasure of watching Samak make a total fool of himself in the interview while all the while the interviewer is so clearly trying hard not to laugh out loud from the witlessness of the Samak’s responses to her questions. I would watch and wince when the interview focused on Samak and then break out in laughter every time the camera focused on the woman interviewer who seemed to be so desperately holding back her own contemptuous laughter at this buffoon. Who needs to wait for Godot when we have the absurdity that is Samak: “Tak Bai? Ohh… You have heard about that incident?” and “How old are you at that time?…(Are) you born yet?”. You really can’t make this stuff up. Shall we laugh or cry?
The interview is also a textbook example of how, in Thai culture, one is expected to accept the reality of the “face” presented. Politics and “dirty” lies aside, hopefully this interview will remain on YouTube for many years as a wonderful teaching tool.
“You may say that there are absolutely no evidences of the good things she did for the Thai people televised round the clock on TV after she passed away but I just prefer to be “deluded” and secure in the belief that here was someone who did wonderful things for the country which really makes me feel good…”
Her promotion of French literature and classical music makes her a hero during a time when brain bandwidth is being soaked up by soap operas and celeb magazines like TV Pool or Spicy or…..or loud noisy point and shoot video games with stacks of “virtual” corpses, a noticeable addition to the noise pollution of Bangkok, rows and rows of these deafening games have been placed by Carrefour in their otherwise very nicely French designed food courts reducing them to the lowest common denominator too.
It’s really too bad that people don’t get the **deeper message of HM Princess Galayani’s example.**
Teth, re. your post#46, ‘I wish to change it like France, not the UK,’
are you advocating bloody revolution? I would hope not! But, given that this statement is possible to be interpreted conveniently in this way, and that it is relatively easy to trace internet blogsite posters , it may be a good idea to clarify this.
Sitting in the departure launch of Jakarta airport en route to Singapore, I google the name of Ananda Rajah – and are so saddened to hear of his passing away. As a student I spent several weeks with him in the Karen village with was the base for his Ph.D. fieldwork. Assisting Ananda by measuring field sizes and cropping patterns, I gathered the inspiration for my own research. Ananda was an exceptional person, a quiet and softspoken gentleman with a sharp whit. I miss him sorely.
Hey, the people he is criticizing are part of intellectual equilibrium itself in Thailand.
If the intellectuals with their disdain for populism, soaps, sleaze, and low standards, weren’t there, they would have to be invented, or the system would slip down a rat hole.
People who attempt to write uber texts like this, are just mean bullies who want to take the other kid off the seesaw.
Seems like a normal healthy elephant. People got all upset when my little Shih Tzu Nong Fah had five puppies at nine months. Even called her “rat” which I guess means “promiscuous” in Thai, though I never looked it up in the dictionary.
wow! I am almost moved. I didn’t realize so many people care so much about 6 Tula, people like the Manager Group, the Nation and even the editorial writer of Bangkok Post. I was inspired by you all so much so that I was – as the Thai would say – р╕кр╕бр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Йр╕╣р╕Ф I sat down and wrote the following letter. No, no, no, not a letter to protest Samak, but one to Mr.Reivers himself, suggesting who he should interview next to make the truth about 6 Tula come out even more. I hope you all who care so much about 6 Tula, as is shown here, would join with me in urging Mr.Rivers to carry out this historic task, or – better sitll – you all should start a campaign to call for those I mention in the letter to review their opinion and their role during those infamous events.
this is a message from one guy to his friends. the ending part itself is represented that he was also one among those thai technocrat s, not the intelletuals that he claimed. the organic intellectuals are not in the city of angels!
Thursday February 14, 2008
POSTBAG
Oct 6, 1976 fatalities
At the time of the Oct 6 events and subsequent coup in 1976, I was an active member of the Coordinating Group for Religion in Society (CGRS), which had become the first indigenous human rights organisation in Thailand. As well as assisting all those who were subject to arbitrary arrest and campaigning for their release, we tried to compile as accurate information as possible on those who had been killed or arrested on Oct 6 and subsequent events.
According to our best estimates, 300 people were killed and 11,000 arrested as a threat to society (phai sankom). We were certain about the 11,000 arrests as we managed to get a list of all of these and where they were being held. We were less certain of all those who we thought had been killed, as a few of those on our list might have escaped to the jungle unknown to us.
We produced a quarterly Human Rights in Thailand Report where these findings were recorded. In each of these we reported four or five cases of extra-judicial killing of some of those who had been involved in social movements. These quarterly reports were widely distributed inside and outside the country. I am sure that copies can be found by any historian interested in re-creating a record of the awful events of that period.
NICHOLAS BENNETT
Phuket
from 3 months in a White Hmong hill tribe last year I can confirm that they have little idea about conservation or looking after the forest. Indiscriminate tree felling, killing of anything that moves, stoveless cooking fires … plus the over use of pesticides and windowless homes with open fires indoors – all points to a people who do not know how to look after themselves or nature. The Royal projects have taught them to produce cash crops, which being hard working people, they are rather good at. This results in more ground clearing and planting, without permission or planning.
Still, the resulting hillsides become adequately maintained farmland, even if no longer forest.
There were regular inspections, and advisory visits from agricultural specialists both Western and Thai , and doctors who took blood samples to assess chemical and dietry caused ill health.
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Dickie, I voted for Abhisit. I believe I’ve disclosed this a while back.
When expressing support for PPP, though, I express that support against the military. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, I suppose. And since they’ve won the election, I’ve refrained from criticizing Samak until he has a chance to prove himself, which he is gradually proving the fact that he has not changed. Still better than a military junta, though. Because above all, this Prime Minister faces scrutiny from an elected Parliament and must answer to the electorate.
1) Acknowledge that the rural voter base “is actually evolving with its own set of reasons.”
2) Start to evolve and develop your own set of reasons.
There is no more “revered elder” to pull string and manipulate politics for you. But this is good news. Thai politics needs to mature and this is the only way it will happen.
He made these remarks as the representative of the state and on behalf of the citizens of Thailand, not in his personal capacity. That is the important difference between Samak then and Samak now
I agree.
It was a stupid comment, but I wonder how much the electorate cares?
For example: Did they care about Thaksin’s handling of (and his comments on) the WOD – Judging by the ballot box results, I doubt it
(PPP/TRT still seem to gets lots of votes)
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Fab-bob: Thanks. Your analysis makes a lot of sense. I suspect this has been the pattern all along the fringes of the uplands frontier.
Keith: Sorry, I don’t know anything substantial on the rubber estates. My remark was based on research done by Atsushi Kitahara on land legislation between the wars. There was a half-hearted policy to impose a ceiling on holdings, and the people who opposed it (or asked for exceptional treatment) were rubber planters in the south. I don’t think Kitahara ever published the paper in English, but I have a manuscript somewhere. If you want it, please contact me and I’ll try to find it.
Assassination of Mahn Sha
Mae Sot blogger Abrahams had met with Mahn Sha; he reflects on what the Karen leader said to him:
http://www.shaneabrahams.com/cgi-bin/blog/view_post/362683
More on the 2008 Thai Studies conference
Snarls, I’ve never supported violent changes. If you refer to a previous exchange I had, you’ll find that the practicality of turning into a republic without bloodshed was discussed and I expressed that foremost non-violence is one of the most important criteria.
And if you were to view the history on both sides of the Channel, you will realize that both Britain and France suffered violent revolutions (a king was beheaded on both sides). Therefore, the contrast I was drawing between Britain and France only had to do with the present nature of the heads of state.
Samak’s disgrace
Given the current circumstances, on this issue maybe we need to separate moral outrage and political necessity. Those who want to see the neutralization of the royalist-military forces after the debacle of the last 17 months should be hoping for a strong PPP-led government. In this respect what Samak said in the CNN interview could actually work well for Samak himself and the PPP (including the former student activists).
(i) Samak’s comments will give him credibility with the military leadership, which is important for him as the new defense minister. If the “ekasan lap” is a true indication of the feelings within the upper echelons of the military about PPP-TRT’s ultimate intentions it would be just as well for Samak to demonstrate that he does not share their version of history or ideology (or at least that of the former student activists in the party). He and the PPP need to have a good working relationship with the military in the early days of the government. The royalists will be trying their utmost to destroy the government’s stability since they are fighting for their political survival.
(ii) Samak re-emphasizes his credentials (at least in terms of rhetoric) as an unreconstructed rightist-royalist. This helps him gain some confidence from the royalists, smarting from their big defeat following the formation of the PPP government.
(iii) I don’t know whether the former student leaders-leftists-communists in PPP-TRT would necessarily “cringe” at Samak’s statements, as the Bangkok Post says. Rhetoric is just rhetoric. But in terms of power politics Samak has just helped them defeat the royalist-military-ratchakan state in an important battle (of course, not the last). They are back in power, partly because of Samak. In politics winning is everything. Moreover, Samak coming out with a statement like this ironically works well for them because it focuses attention on October 6. This ought to terrify the royalists, since any “full understanding” of October 6, as the Bangkok Post says it wants, would have to admit the responsibility of the king in the massacre. If this truth became more widely known, coming on the heels of the king’s support for the September 19 coup and the CNS regime, it would severely damage the legitimacy of the monarchy and by implication the royalist establishment. This would presumably translate into greater support for the PPP.
(iv) As Somsak pointed out above, we will witness yet again the hypocrisy of the anti-PPP groups, many of whom supported the royalist coup and the CNS regime. They will come out and express their outrage at Samak’s comments while remaining silent on the role of the king and the royal family in the October 6 massacre.
Anyone wishing to see an end to the manipulation of Thai politics by the king and the royalist-military establishment should welcome the renewed public interest in October 6, whatever Samak says. At the same time, however, they should be hoping for a strong PPP government.
Samak’s disgrace
Methinks it is almost a disservice to post the transcript of this interview here as some might then miss the absolute, yet admittedly guilty pleasure of watching Samak make a total fool of himself in the interview while all the while the interviewer is so clearly trying hard not to laugh out loud from the witlessness of the Samak’s responses to her questions. I would watch and wince when the interview focused on Samak and then break out in laughter every time the camera focused on the woman interviewer who seemed to be so desperately holding back her own contemptuous laughter at this buffoon. Who needs to wait for Godot when we have the absurdity that is Samak: “Tak Bai? Ohh… You have heard about that incident?” and “How old are you at that time?…(Are) you born yet?”. You really can’t make this stuff up. Shall we laugh or cry?
The interview is also a textbook example of how, in Thai culture, one is expected to accept the reality of the “face” presented. Politics and “dirty” lies aside, hopefully this interview will remain on YouTube for many years as a wonderful teaching tool.
More on the 2008 Thai Studies conference
“You may say that there are absolutely no evidences of the good things she did for the Thai people televised round the clock on TV after she passed away but I just prefer to be “deluded” and secure in the belief that here was someone who did wonderful things for the country which really makes me feel good…”
Her promotion of French literature and classical music makes her a hero during a time when brain bandwidth is being soaked up by soap operas and celeb magazines like TV Pool or Spicy or…..or loud noisy point and shoot video games with stacks of “virtual” corpses, a noticeable addition to the noise pollution of Bangkok, rows and rows of these deafening games have been placed by Carrefour in their otherwise very nicely French designed food courts reducing them to the lowest common denominator too.
It’s really too bad that people don’t get the **deeper message of HM Princess Galayani’s example.**
More on the 2008 Thai Studies conference
Teth, re. your post#46, ‘I wish to change it like France, not the UK,’
are you advocating bloody revolution? I would hope not! But, given that this statement is possible to be interpreted conveniently in this way, and that it is relatively easy to trace internet blogsite posters , it may be a good idea to clarify this.
Ananda Rajah
Sitting in the departure launch of Jakarta airport en route to Singapore, I google the name of Ananda Rajah – and are so saddened to hear of his passing away. As a student I spent several weeks with him in the Karen village with was the base for his Ph.D. fieldwork. Assisting Ananda by measuring field sizes and cropping patterns, I gathered the inspiration for my own research. Ananda was an exceptional person, a quiet and softspoken gentleman with a sharp whit. I miss him sorely.
A wake-up call
Hey, the people he is criticizing are part of intellectual equilibrium itself in Thailand.
If the intellectuals with their disdain for populism, soaps, sleaze, and low standards, weren’t there, they would have to be invented, or the system would slip down a rat hole.
People who attempt to write uber texts like this, are just mean bullies who want to take the other kid off the seesaw.
Thong dee, not so dee
Seems like a normal healthy elephant. People got all upset when my little Shih Tzu Nong Fah had five puppies at nine months. Even called her “rat” which I guess means “promiscuous” in Thai, though I never looked it up in the dictionary.
Samak’s disgrace
wow! I am almost moved. I didn’t realize so many people care so much about 6 Tula, people like the Manager Group, the Nation and even the editorial writer of Bangkok Post. I was inspired by you all so much so that I was – as the Thai would say – р╕кр╕бр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Йр╕╣р╕Ф I sat down and wrote the following letter. No, no, no, not a letter to protest Samak, but one to Mr.Reivers himself, suggesting who he should interview next to make the truth about 6 Tula come out even more. I hope you all who care so much about 6 Tula, as is shown here, would join with me in urging Mr.Rivers to carry out this historic task, or – better sitll – you all should start a campaign to call for those I mention in the letter to review their opinion and their role during those infamous events.
Here’s the letter (sorry, in Thai only):
р╣Ар╕гр╕╡р╕вр╕Щ р╕Др╕╕р╕У Dan Rivers р╕Фр╕╡р╕Др╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Цр╕▓р╕бр╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕гр╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕З 6 р╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓
р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕Ьр╕бр╕Вр╕нр╣Ар╕кр╕Щр╕нр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕бр╕╡р╕Др╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Щр╣Ир╕▓р╕Ир╕░р╕Вр╕нр╕кр╕▒р╕бр╕ар╕▓р╕йр╕Ур╣Мр╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Зр╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╕нр╕╡р╕Бр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╕Ъ р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Щр╣Йр╕нр╕в 2 р╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щ р╕Фр╕▒р╕Зр╕Щр╕╡р╣Й…..
р╕Ьр╕бр╕Фр╕╡р╣Гр╕Ир╕Др╕гр╕▒р╕Ъ р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Др╕╕р╕У Rivers р╕Цр╕▓р╕бр╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕гр╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕З 6 р╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓р╣Гр╕лр╣Й р╣Бр╕бр╣Йр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╣Вр╕Фр╕вр╕кр╣Ир╕зр╕Щр╕Хр╕▒р╕зр╕Ьр╕бр╕Ир╕░р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕гр╕╣р╣Йр╕кр╕╢р╕Бр╕Хр╕╖р╣Ир╕Щр╣Ар╕Хр╣Йр╕Щр╕нр╕░р╣Др╕гр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Др╕│р╕Хр╕нр╕Ъ р╕Юр╕╣р╕Фр╕Хр╕▓р╕бр╕ар╕▓р╕йр╕▓р╕Щр╕▒р╕Бр╕Вр╣Ир╕▓р╕зр╕Др╕╖р╕н р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щ news р╣Ар╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╣Др╕г р╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕▓р╕░р╣Ар╕лр╣Зр╕Щр╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕гр╕Юр╕╣р╕Фр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕бр╕▓р╕Ур╕Щр╕╡р╣Й р╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕нр╣Бр╕вр╣Ир╕Бр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╕бр╕▓р╕Щр╕▓р╕Щр╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕з
р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕Цр╣Йр╕▓р╕Др╕╕р╕У Rivers р╕Лр╕╡р╣Ар╕гр╕╡р╕вр╕кр╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕З 6 р╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓ р╕Ир╕гр╕┤р╕Зр╣Ж р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ир╕░р╕Цр╕▓р╕б public official р╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕н public figure р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕вр╕▒р╕З active р╕нр╕вр╕╣р╣И р╣Ар╕Бр╕╡р╣Ир╕вр╕зр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Ър╕Чр╕Ър╕▓р╕Чр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Чр╕╡р╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Юр╕зр╕Бр╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╣Гр╕Щр╕Бр╕гр╕Ур╕╡р╕Фр╕▒р╕Зр╕Бр╕ер╣Ир╕▓р╕з р╕Ьр╕бр╕Вр╕нр╣Ар╕кр╕Щр╕н 2 р╕Бр╕гр╕Ур╕╡р╕Др╕гр╕▒р╕Ъ р╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╕гр╕нр╕Зр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Ир╕░р╕вр╕┤р╣Ир╕З “р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Вр╣Ир╕▓р╕з” р╕Бр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕гр╕Ур╕╡р╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕гр╕нр╕╡р╕Б
р╕Бр╕гр╕Ур╕╡р╕Чр╕╡р╣И 1
р╕Ьр╕бр╕Вр╕нр╣Ар╕кр╕Щр╕нр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Др╕╕р╕У Rivers р╕Бр╕гр╕▓р╕Ър╕Ър╕▒р╕Зр╕Др╕бр╕Чр╕╣р╕ер╕Вр╕нр╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Чр╕▓р╕Щр╕кр╕▒р╕бр╕ар╕▓р╕йр╕Ур╣М р╕Ир╕▓р╕Б р╕кр╕бр╣Ар╕Фр╣Зр╕Ир╕Юр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕Юр╕п р╕Др╕гр╕▒р╕Ъ
р╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕лр╕ер╕▒р╕Зр╣Ар╕лр╕Хр╕╕р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ур╣Мр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Бр╕╡р╣Ир╕зр╕▒р╕Щ р╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╣Др╕Ыр╕гр╣Ир╕зр╕бр╕Зр╕▓р╕Щр╕ир╕Юр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕ер╕╣р╕Бр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╕нр╕Кр╕▓р╕зр╕Ър╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╕Др╕Щр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕З р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕кр╣Ир╕зр╕Щр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕ер╕╕р╣Ир╕бр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Ър╕╕р╕Бр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╣Др╕Ыр╣Гр╕Щр╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Хр╕гр╣Мр╣Гр╕Щр╣Ар╕Кр╣Йр╕▓р╕зр╕▒р╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣И 6 р╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓ р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Хр╕▓р╕вр╣Гр╕Щр╣Ар╕лр╕Хр╕╕р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ур╣Мр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕Чр╕гр╕З “р╕Бр╕ер╣Ир╕▓р╕зр╕кр╕Фр╕╕р╕Фр╕╡р╣Ар╕Бр╕╡р╕вр╕гр╕Хр╕┤р╕Др╕╕р╕У” р╕ер╕╣р╕Бр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╕нр╕Кр╕▓р╕зр╕Ър╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕Хр╕▓р╕вр╕зр╣Ир╕▓
“р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ыр╕Пр╕┤р╕Ър╕▒р╕Хр╕┤р╕лр╕Щр╣Йр╕▓р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕Щр╕╡р╣Й [р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╣Др╕Ыр╕Хр╕▓р╕б] р╕Др╕│р╕кр╕▒р╕Хр╕вр╣Мр╕Ыр╕Пр╕┤р╕Нр╕▓р╕Ур╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕Ыр╕Пр╕┤р╕Нр╕▓р╕Ур╣Др╕зр╣Йр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕ер╕╣р╕Бр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╕нр╕Кр╕▓р╕зр╕Ър╣Йр╕▓р╕Щ р╕кр╕бр╕Др╕зр╕гр╣Бр╕Бр╣Ир╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Кр╕┤р╕Фр╕Кр╕╣ р╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Хр╕▒р╕зр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Бр╕Бр╣Ир╕ер╕╣р╕Бр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╕нр╕Кр╕▓р╕зр╕Ър╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╣Др╕Ыр╣Гр╕Щр╕Фр╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╕бр╕╡р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Ир╕Зр╕гр╕▒р╕Бр╕ар╕▒р╕Бр╕Фр╕╡р╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤ р╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Щр╕▓ р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕бр╕лр╕▓р╕Бр╕йр╕▒р╕Хр╕гр╕┤р╕вр╣М” (р╣Ар╕Фр╕ер╕┤р╕Щр╕┤р╕зр╕кр╣М, 22 р╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓р╕Др╕б 2519)
р╕Ьр╕бр╕Вр╕нр╣Ар╕кр╕Щр╕нр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Др╕╕р╕У Rivers р╕Бр╕гр╕▓р╕Ър╕Ър╕▒р╕Зр╕Др╕бр╕Чр╕╣р╕ер╕Цр╕▓р╕бр╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Ыр╕▒р╕Ир╕Ир╕╕р╕Ър╕▒р╕Щр╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕Ир╕░р╕вр╕▒р╕Зр╕вр╕╖р╕Щр╕вр╕▒р╕Щ р╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Фр╕│р╕гр╕▒р╕кр╕Фр╕▒р╕Зр╕Бр╕ер╣Ир╕▓р╕зр╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕нр╣Др╕бр╣И р╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Чр╕│р╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Ър╕╕р╕Бр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╣Др╕Ыр╣Гр╕Щр╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Хр╕гр╣Мр╣Гр╕Щр╣Ар╕Кр╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щ “р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ыр╕Пр╕┤р╕Ър╕▒р╕Хр╕┤р╕лр╕Щр╣Йр╕▓р╕Чр╕╡р╣И” р╕Чр╕╡р╣И “р╕кр╕бр╕Др╕зр╕гр╣Бр╕Бр╣Ир╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Кр╕┤р╕Фр╕Кр╕╣ р╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Хр╕▒р╕зр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕З…” р╣Бр╕ер╕░ р╣Ар╕лр╕Хр╕╕р╣Гр╕Фр╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕Ир╕╢р╕Зр╕бр╕╡р╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Фр╕│р╕гр╕▒р╕кр╣Ар╕Кр╣Ир╕Щр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╣Ар╕Юр╕╡р╕вр╕Зр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Бр╕╡р╣Ир╕зр╕▒р╕Щр╕лр╕ер╕▒р╕Зр╣Ар╕Бр╕┤р╕Фр╣Ар╕лр╕Хр╕╕р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ур╣Мр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ? р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╣Гр╕Щр╕Чр╕▓р╕Зр╕Бр╕ер╕▒р╕Ър╕Бр╕▒р╕Щ р╣Ар╕лр╕Хр╕╕р╣Гр╕Фр╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕Ир╕╢р╕Зр╕бр╕┤р╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕Чр╕гр╕Зр╕Бр╕ер╣Ир╕▓р╕зр╕Цр╕╢р╕Зр╕кр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Бр╕┤р╕Фр╕Вр╕╢р╣Йр╕Щр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Щр╕▒р╕Бр╕ир╕╢р╕Бр╕йр╕▓р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╣Гр╕Щр╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Хр╕гр╣М?
р╕Бр╕гр╕Ур╕╡р╕Чр╕╡р╣И 2
р╕Ьр╕бр╕Вр╕нр╣Ар╕кр╕Щр╕нр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Др╕╕р╕У Rivers р╕Чр╕│р╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Зр╕Вр╕нр╕кр╕▒р╕бр╕ар╕▓р╕йр╕Ур╣М р╕Шр╕▓р╕Щр╕┤р╕Щр╕Чр╕гр╣М р╕Бр╕гр╕▒р╕вр╕зр╕┤р╣Ар╕Кр╕╡р╕вр╕г р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Вр╕Ур╕░р╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕нр╕Зр╕Др╕бр╕Щр╕Хр╕гр╕╡ р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕вр╕Бр╣Ир╕нр╕Щ 6 р╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓ р╕бр╕╡р╕Ър╕Чр╕Ър╕▓р╕Чр╣Гр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕г “р╕Ыр╕ер╕╕р╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Фр╕б” р╕Чр╕▓р╕Зр╕Чр╕╡р╕зр╕╡ р╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╕Хр╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╕Вр╕Ър╕зр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Щр╕▒р╕Бр╕ир╕╢р╕Бр╕йр╕▓ р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Бр╕Хр╕Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕г р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕лр╕ер╕▒р╕Зр╣Ар╕лр╕Хр╕╕р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ур╣Мр╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕з р╕Бр╣Зр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╕Хр╕│р╣Бр╕лр╕Щр╣Ир╕Зр╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕Бр╕гр╕▒р╕Рр╕бр╕Щр╕Хр╕гр╕╡ р╕Чр╕│р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕Ър╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕бр╕Бр╕зр╕▓р╕Фр╕ер╣Йр╕▓р╕Зр╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕гр╕нр╕Фр╕Хр╕▓р╕вр╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╣Ар╕лр╕Хр╕╕р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ур╣Мр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╣Др╕Ы
р╕нр╕вр╕▓р╕Бр╣Ар╕кр╕Щр╕нр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Др╕╕р╕У Rivers р╣Ар╕гр╕╡р╕вр╕Щр╕Цр╕▓р╕бр╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕гр╕╣р╣Йр╕кр╕╢р╕Бр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Др╕гр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕кр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Бр╕┤р╕Фр╕Вр╕╢р╣Йр╕Щр╣Гр╕Щр╣Ар╕Кр╣Йр╕▓р╕зр╕▒р╕Щр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╣Ар╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Ьр╕бр╣Ар╕Др╕вр╕нр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕кр╕▒р╕бр╕ар╕▓р╕йр╕Ур╣Мр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щ р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Ар╕Др╕вр╣Ар╕лр╣Зр╕Щр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕Шр╕▓р╕Щр╕┤р╕Щр╕Чр╕гр╣Мр╕Ир╕░р╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╣Бр╕кр╕Фр╕Зр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕гр╕╣р╣Йр╕кр╕╢р╕Бр╕нр╕░р╣Др╕г р╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╕кр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Бр╕┤р╕Фр╕Вр╕╢р╣Йр╕Щр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Щр╕▒р╕Бр╕ир╕╢р╕Бр╕йр╕▓р╣Гр╕Щр╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Хр╕гр╣М….
I also posted the following comments on the current attack on Samak over the 6 Tula issue (again in Thai – sorry):
р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╣Ар╕лр╣Зр╕Щр╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╕Чр╣Йр╕▓р╕в
р╕Бр╕▓р╕г “р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф” р╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕г р╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕З 6 р╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓р╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕Щр╕╡р╣Й р╣Ар╕Кр╣Ир╕Щр╣Ар╕Фр╕╡р╕вр╕зр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Бр╕▓р╕г “р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф” р╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕Бр╣Ир╕нр╕Щ р╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╣Ир╕н 8 р╕Ыр╕╡р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕з р╕кр╣Ир╕зр╕Щр╣Гр╕лр╕Нр╣Ир╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕кр╕╕р╕Ф р╕бр╕╡р╕ер╕▒р╕Бр╕йр╕Ур╕░ 2 р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕З р╕Др╕╖р╕н р╕ер╕▒р╕Бр╕йр╕Ур╕░ “р╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Ир╕нр╕Б” р╣Бр╕ер╕░ р╕ер╕▒р╕Бр╕йр╕Ур╕░ “р╕Вр╕╡р╣Йр╕ер╕╖р╕б”
р╕ер╕▒р╕Бр╕йр╕Ур╕░ “р╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Ир╕нр╕Б” р╕Др╕╖р╕н р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕г “р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф” “р╕Хр╕▒р╕зр╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Ир╕нр╕Б” р╣Гр╕Щр╕Бр╕гр╕Ур╕╡ 6 р╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓ р╕Др╕╖р╕нр╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕г р╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Ыр╕Бр╕Ыр╕┤р╕Ф р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕б “р╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Ир╕нр╕Б” р╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Др╕Щ “р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф” р╣Ар╕нр╕З р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Бр╕ер╣Йр╕▓ “р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф” р╣Гр╕Др╕гр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Гр╕лр╕Нр╣Ир╕Бр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕гр╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕з р╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕гр╕Щр╕╡р╣Ир╕Щр╕нр╕Бр╕Ир╕▓р╕Б”р╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Ир╕нр╕Б” р╣Гр╕Щр╕Бр╕гр╕Ур╕╡ 6 р╣Ир╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓р╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕з р╕вр╕▒р╕З”р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф” р╕Зр╣Ир╕▓р╕вр╕бр╕▓р╕Б р╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕▓р╕░р╕Ыр╕▓р╕Бр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Фр╕╡ “р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф” р╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕зр╕Бр╣Зр╕Др╣Ир╕нр╕Щр╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕Зр╕Ыр╕ер╕нр╕Фр╕ар╕▒р╕вр╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╕в
р╕ер╕▒р╕Бр╕йр╕Ур╕░ “р╕Вр╕╡р╣Йр╕ер╕╖р╕б” р╕Др╕╖р╕н р╕Бр╕▓р╕г “р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф” р╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕гр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕лр╕ер╕Зр╕ер╕╖р╕бр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Ир╕гр╕┤р╕Зр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╣Ир╕н 6 р╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓ р╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Ыр╕Бр╕Ыр╕┤р╕Фр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕б “р╕Вр╕╡р╣Йр╕ер╕╖р╕б” р╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Др╕Щ”р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф”р╣Ар╕нр╕З р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕ер╕╖р╕бр╣Др╕Ыр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Хр╕нр╕Щ 6 р╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓ р╣Гр╕Др╕гр╕Ър╣Йр╕▓р╕Зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕кр╕│р╕Др╕▒р╕Нр╕Ир╕гр╕┤р╕Зр╣Ж р╣Гр╕Др╕гр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щ”р╕Щр╕▓р╕в”р╕Чр╕▓р╕Зр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕Зр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕гр╕Ир╕гр╕┤р╕Зр╣Ж р╣Гр╕Др╕гр╕Чр╕│р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕гр╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕Фр╕┤р╕Ър╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕Фр╕╡р╕лр╕ер╕▒р╕З 6 р╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓
р╕кр╕гр╕╕р╕Ыр╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕з р╕Бр╕▓р╕г”р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф”р╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕г р╕кр╣Ир╕зр╕Щр╣Гр╕лр╕Нр╣Ир╣Гр╕Щр╕Вр╕Ур╕░р╕Щр╕╡р╣Й р╕Чр╕│р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Др╕Щ”р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф” р╕гр╕╣р╣Йр╕кр╕╢р╕Б “р╕Фр╕╡” р╕Чр╕│р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕лр╕ер╕нр╕Бр╕Хр╕▒р╕зр╣Ар╕нр╕Зр╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Хр╕▒р╕зр╣Ар╕нр╕Зр╣Др╕бр╣И”р╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Ир╕нр╕Б”р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╣Др╕бр╣И”р╕Вр╕╡р╣Йр╕ер╕╖р╕б” (“р╣Ар╕гр╕▓р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕ер╕╖р╕б 6 р╕Хр╕╕р╕ер╕▓” р╕нр╕░р╣Др╕гр╕Чр╕│р╕Щр╕нр╕Зр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ)
р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Ир╕гр╕┤р╕Зр╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕з р╕Бр╕▓р╕г”р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф”р╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Др╕гр╣Бр╕Ър╕Ъ “р╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Ир╕нр╕Б” р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╣Бр╕Ър╕Ъ”р╕Вр╕╡р╣Йр╕ер╕╖р╕б”р╕Щр╕╡р╣Й р╕кр╕░р╕Чр╣Йр╕нр╕Щр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕б”р╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Ир╕нр╕Б”р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕б”р╕Вр╕╡р╣Йр╕ер╕╖р╕б” р╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Др╕Щ”р╕нр╕▒р╕Ф” р╕бр╕▓р╕Бр╕Бр╕зр╣Ир╕▓
A wake-up call
this is a message from one guy to his friends. the ending part itself is represented that he was also one among those thai technocrat s, not the intelletuals that he claimed. the organic intellectuals are not in the city of angels!
in other words , this is just a tabloid
Samak’s disgrace
Letter from Thursday’s Bangkok Post:
Thursday February 14, 2008
POSTBAG
Oct 6, 1976 fatalities
At the time of the Oct 6 events and subsequent coup in 1976, I was an active member of the Coordinating Group for Religion in Society (CGRS), which had become the first indigenous human rights organisation in Thailand. As well as assisting all those who were subject to arbitrary arrest and campaigning for their release, we tried to compile as accurate information as possible on those who had been killed or arrested on Oct 6 and subsequent events.
According to our best estimates, 300 people were killed and 11,000 arrested as a threat to society (phai sankom). We were certain about the 11,000 arrests as we managed to get a list of all of these and where they were being held. We were less certain of all those who we thought had been killed, as a few of those on our list might have escaped to the jungle unknown to us.
We produced a quarterly Human Rights in Thailand Report where these findings were recorded. In each of these we reported four or five cases of extra-judicial killing of some of those who had been involved in social movements. These quarterly reports were widely distributed inside and outside the country. I am sure that copies can be found by any historian interested in re-creating a record of the awful events of that period.
NICHOLAS BENNETT
Phuket
Forest guardians, forest destroyers
from 3 months in a White Hmong hill tribe last year I can confirm that they have little idea about conservation or looking after the forest. Indiscriminate tree felling, killing of anything that moves, stoveless cooking fires … plus the over use of pesticides and windowless homes with open fires indoors – all points to a people who do not know how to look after themselves or nature. The Royal projects have taught them to produce cash crops, which being hard working people, they are rather good at. This results in more ground clearing and planting, without permission or planning.
Still, the resulting hillsides become adequately maintained farmland, even if no longer forest.
There were regular inspections, and advisory visits from agricultural specialists both Western and Thai , and doctors who took blood samples to assess chemical and dietry caused ill health.
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Thong dee, not so dee
They obviously resisted being elephantosubjected by following their own elephanto constitution! 🙂
Samak’s disgrace
Dickie, I voted for Abhisit. I believe I’ve disclosed this a while back.
When expressing support for PPP, though, I express that support against the military. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, I suppose. And since they’ve won the election, I’ve refrained from criticizing Samak until he has a chance to prove himself, which he is gradually proving the fact that he has not changed. Still better than a military junta, though. Because above all, this Prime Minister faces scrutiny from an elected Parliament and must answer to the electorate.
Thong dee, not so dee
Well, if you are pregnant you are Pben Thong. i.e. Thong = belly.
Therefore the elephant is indeed Thong dee 🙂
A wake-up call
Beautiful. The formula for urban people is now:
1) Acknowledge that the rural voter base “is actually evolving with its own set of reasons.”
2) Start to evolve and develop your own set of reasons.
There is no more “revered elder” to pull string and manipulate politics for you. But this is good news. Thai politics needs to mature and this is the only way it will happen.
Samak’s disgrace
He made these remarks as the representative of the state and on behalf of the citizens of Thailand, not in his personal capacity. That is the important difference between Samak then and Samak now
I agree.
It was a stupid comment, but I wonder how much the electorate cares?
For example: Did they care about Thaksin’s handling of (and his comments on) the WOD – Judging by the ballot box results, I doubt it
(PPP/TRT still seem to gets lots of votes)