Rohingyas are Bangladeshi then who Bangladeshi then in Bangladesh? Peter Cohen? All the history you have studied only interpret the information negatively as you brain set up is stereo type.
It’s like Jews in the middle-east with an ancestry claim and in Arakan rakhains are doing alternatively. Isn’t it?
In Chittagong district and hill-tracts are, do you know how many thousands of Rakhaine and other tribal bhuddists inhibit? Bangaldeshis ,being a majority, never tell them to go away or push them back in burma.
You missed the whole british colonial part
and even before Mughals….
It was the British who divided the region. Wasn’t it? They should have kept/ given the Arakan state to Burma or to India. Arakan state includes Chittagong too.
During the partition may parts of India were divided and communal violence followed with millions of death,,,, now Pakistanis don’t kick out punjabis from Lahore or Muslims don’t kick hindus back to West Bengle or Indians don’t kick muslims back to Pakistan?
Dr Matthew Davies failed to mention that every nation won at this conference and the only losers are the refugees.
Burma can continue to persecute minorities and the Rohingya is just one of them.
Bangladesh won as they can continue to persecute all people who disagree with them including the Rohingya.
Thailand won as the illegal military coup had the conference in Bangkok. The Thai/Malaysian military won as when this crackdown is over they can allegedly get back to normal and make vast profits from the slave trade.
General Prayuth admitted that everyone knew about this problem for at least a decHe anade.d his partners in crime have been condemned by his own words for allowing this trade to continue unabated.
Myamartians love “tayokes”, especially Chinese businessmen and Korean soap operas but they can’t stand the “kalars”, Indians, especially the dark-skinned Muslims, supposedly brought into Burma by the colonial Brits, the “kalarphru” (white Indians!). I don’t know why, but Marayu was an Arakan king and some of my ancestors are from Rakhaing State, so perhaps I should know. I think it has more to do with race than with religion, but I am an atheist and I don’t believe in racial classification. Nazis and the KKK used to do that. Nowadays, 23andme can do that more “scientifically” using your DNA, but who cares!
(by the way why was my recent comment about the popularity of skin-whitening creams in Asia censored? No free speech at Australian Universities?)
The “Rohingya” are not a regional conundrum but an Islamic straw man, to trash Myanmar. Perhaps it is well-past time the Buddhist nations had their own “OIC” to denounce the treatment of all ethnic and cultural non-Muslim minorities in Islamic nations; that would include, by the way, all Islamic nations (and would include the persecution of minority Islamic sects that weren’t “Halal” enough for the majority).
1) UN and NGO’s opinions aka political coercion.
2) Mindless western media portrayal of current events.
3) Most of the Military government and apparatchiks. (the need to find suitable replacement must come first)
As we can all see these elephants are hard to kill even when shot multiple time. They simply will not die or go away.
You were 100 % correct UNTIL the very last statement. India treats Bangladesh VERY WELL. You should have said:
“Last of all Bangladeshi and Pakistani treatment is worse than any neighbor. Why pick on Myanmar”…
Because, having gotten bored with trashing Israel, the OIC and the Islamic-dominated UN, suffering from numerous cases of child abuse in Sudan and Congo, committed by UN French officers, needs a new scapegoat. Daw Aung San Suu Kyi having proven herself a TRUE Myanmar patriot by not agreeing to be a Dhimmi and Kufr to global Islamic interests, pissed off the Islamist-Leftist alliance, hoping DASSK would be their ideological toy. Since she cares more about Myanmar than appeasing Sheikh Hasina Wajed and Bangladesh and their fake “Rohingya” paradigm prodded by non well-meaning NGOs, Myanmar is the new “Israel” in Asia. Expect to see more intense “Palestinization” of the “Rohingya” issue, and more scapegoating of Myanmar and DASSK. Malaysia and Indonesia will naturally provide the usual rhetoric and catch a boat of “refugees” here and there, but ASEAN is more interested (as is Europe) in trade with Myanmar, especially the vast natural gas deposits off the coast of Myanmar’s Mergui Archipelago.
Tackling the root of all of Burma’s problems will unfortunately take shooting the rogue elephant seemingly contrite and wanting to serve the long suffering people still being trampled afoot given the “provocation”.
The reforms geared mainly towards the prosperity of the elites is like selective patches of nourishing rain (paukhara wattha moe of Burmese lore.
Whatever the mess European colonisers left fifty odd years of making it ten times worse has to be on the mindless head except for the most reactionary form of greed and selfishness inside the thick skull of this particular beast.
Feel free to provide your presumably rosy version of just why Abhisit awarded (more rewarded, perhaps?) Newin’s BJT no fewer than three of the most lucrative ministries – Transport, Interior and Commerce.
To save your further blushes, probably better to pass over the notion that Abhisit’s Dems haven’t been up to their elbows in handing out cash at elections – along with just about every other party.
Sorry to disagree.
But Ahbisit never tried. He never had any guts to do anything ‘publicly bad’, or ‘publicly good that may go bad’ for the matter.
He may not directly bribe Newin, but he turned a blind eye to Newin and his chums’ massive corruption- in hope that they can win over P.T. seats up north. But the locals knew, instead BJT lost so badly to PT in spite of massive vote-buying, giving YL the PM seat (yes, also vote-buying here).
Had Abhisit played by the rules, he would have ackbowledged who won the election and work towards winning the next election. He did not play by the rules.
Finally, Ahbisit is the clean-face fangless puppet of Democrat Party. Without him, with clearly corrupt (any other senior obviously very corrupt but clearly not puppet DP member) at helm, voters may be less distracted and more alert to bad guy vs badder guys issues. So, without Ahbisit, maybe TL would be better off.
How do riots and walkouts during Parliamentary meetings qualify him as having tried to fight a democratic parliamentary fight? He and his party are more akin to the schoolyard bullies who, when they don’t like what is happening take their ball and go stomping off in a tantrum.
All this moral outrage is tiresome. Let us return to the old ANU tradition of being scientific instead.
What we are dealing with is migration of Asian peoples to the SE, which has gone on sporadically for about the last 40,000 years. The earlier settlers resist the newer migrants. The cause has always been the same: overpopulation. Hunter-gatherers reached the Malthusian limit before agriculturalists, and the agriculturalists reached it before industrialised people.
The main culture behind overpopulation and migration in comparatively recent history (to the SE in Asia and to the NW in Europe) is Islam. The explanation is Islam’s tradition of enslaving women as baby factories. That is the cultural trait that needs to be defeated. It has been defeated in Christianity. Italy has the lowest birth rate in Europe, proof of the total failure of the Vatican’s policy of expansionism by enslaving European women. Islam is next. It has a choice between a low birth rate, and a high death rate by war, starvation, and disease.
To be even more pedantic, the Lao hate being called Laotian as it smacks of the colonials and who wants to be equated with a nasty insect…. they call themselves Lao and call their language Lao. Paul, the Lao who have seen it loved it, it was scripted by a fabulous Lao woman and portrays relationships in an Akha not wider Lao families. Having been here for over 11 years I can only commend the film for its accuracy. Empathy is not a Lao trait. As you know Lao is a land of many ethncities most not recognised by the government. A lot of effort is put into assimilation to the point where when I talked to Phunoy recently they told me they were the same as Lao Loum.
to be pedantic I must point out that they do not speak “Isan” in Laos; they speak Laotian. In Issan/Isaan they speak a dialect that is close to the Laotian language.
Living there and leaving their mark is hardly the same as an outright attempt at ethnic cleansing and carving out territory by this lot except in actual colonisation.
The Rakhine have lived the reality and learned what kind of people they are dealing with since the colonial masters first let them in. You and the rest of the liberal bleeding hearts who have never been at the receiving end for so long are of course welcome to them.
You have no point, as you have no proof. Are you Star Trek Captain Patrick Stewart, who believes merely reciting “Make it So”, is sufficient proof ? And like Stewart, your belief is indeed very much Science Fiction.
There have been Muslims in Asia since Chinese Muslim Zheng He traveled to Southeast Asia and Muslim traders from South Asia came to the Archipelago, we know as Malaysia and Indonesia. That hardly proves that Bangladeshis in Rahine State, today, are descended from 8th Century Bengali Muslims, in what would have been Arakan. The “Rohingya” are migrants from contemporary Bangladesh and nothing more.
They already have those, Pearshaped, in Papua New Guinea-and they don’t much like
Indonesia, especially the Islamic part. Fortunately, for PNG, cricket is not common in Indonesia, not even in Malaysia, anymore.
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Islam and the state in Myanmar
Rohingyas are Bangladeshi then who Bangladeshi then in Bangladesh? Peter Cohen? All the history you have studied only interpret the information negatively as you brain set up is stereo type.
It’s like Jews in the middle-east with an ancestry claim and in Arakan rakhains are doing alternatively. Isn’t it?
In Chittagong district and hill-tracts are, do you know how many thousands of Rakhaine and other tribal bhuddists inhibit? Bangaldeshis ,being a majority, never tell them to go away or push them back in burma.
You missed the whole british colonial part
and even before Mughals….
It was the British who divided the region. Wasn’t it? They should have kept/ given the Arakan state to Burma or to India. Arakan state includes Chittagong too.
During the partition may parts of India were divided and communal violence followed with millions of death,,,, now Pakistanis don’t kick out punjabis from Lahore or Muslims don’t kick hindus back to West Bengle or Indians don’t kick muslims back to Pakistan?
Rohingya crisis: nothing from nothing
The only winners are the stingy Gulf Cooperation Council and Bangladesh that created this problem for Myanmar.
Rohingya crisis: nothing from nothing
Dr Matthew Davies failed to mention that every nation won at this conference and the only losers are the refugees.
Burma can continue to persecute minorities and the Rohingya is just one of them.
Bangladesh won as they can continue to persecute all people who disagree with them including the Rohingya.
Thailand won as the illegal military coup had the conference in Bangkok. The Thai/Malaysian military won as when this crackdown is over they can allegedly get back to normal and make vast profits from the slave trade.
General Prayuth admitted that everyone knew about this problem for at least a decHe anade.d his partners in crime have been condemned by his own words for allowing this trade to continue unabated.
Rohingya as a regional conundrum
Myamartians love “tayokes”, especially Chinese businessmen and Korean soap operas but they can’t stand the “kalars”, Indians, especially the dark-skinned Muslims, supposedly brought into Burma by the colonial Brits, the “kalarphru” (white Indians!). I don’t know why, but Marayu was an Arakan king and some of my ancestors are from Rakhaing State, so perhaps I should know. I think it has more to do with race than with religion, but I am an atheist and I don’t believe in racial classification. Nazis and the KKK used to do that. Nowadays, 23andme can do that more “scientifically” using your DNA, but who cares!
(by the way why was my recent comment about the popularity of skin-whitening creams in Asia censored? No free speech at Australian Universities?)
Rohingya as a regional conundrum
The “Rohingya” are not a regional conundrum but an Islamic straw man, to trash Myanmar. Perhaps it is well-past time the Buddhist nations had their own “OIC” to denounce the treatment of all ethnic and cultural non-Muslim minorities in Islamic nations; that would include, by the way, all Islamic nations (and would include the persecution of minority Islamic sects that weren’t “Halal” enough for the majority).
Re-shooting the elephant
The elephant in the room that need to be shot:
1) UN and NGO’s opinions aka political coercion.
2) Mindless western media portrayal of current events.
3) Most of the Military government and apparatchiks. (the need to find suitable replacement must come first)
As we can all see these elephants are hard to kill even when shot multiple time. They simply will not die or go away.
Action needed in the Buddhist-Muslim zone
Plan B,
You were 100 % correct UNTIL the very last statement. India treats Bangladesh VERY WELL. You should have said:
“Last of all Bangladeshi and Pakistani treatment is worse than any neighbor. Why pick on Myanmar”…
Because, having gotten bored with trashing Israel, the OIC and the Islamic-dominated UN, suffering from numerous cases of child abuse in Sudan and Congo, committed by UN French officers, needs a new scapegoat. Daw Aung San Suu Kyi having proven herself a TRUE Myanmar patriot by not agreeing to be a Dhimmi and Kufr to global Islamic interests, pissed off the Islamist-Leftist alliance, hoping DASSK would be their ideological toy. Since she cares more about Myanmar than appeasing Sheikh Hasina Wajed and Bangladesh and their fake “Rohingya” paradigm prodded by non well-meaning NGOs, Myanmar is the new “Israel” in Asia. Expect to see more intense “Palestinization” of the “Rohingya” issue, and more scapegoating of Myanmar and DASSK. Malaysia and Indonesia will naturally provide the usual rhetoric and catch a boat of “refugees” here and there, but ASEAN is more interested (as is Europe) in trade with Myanmar, especially the vast natural gas deposits off the coast of Myanmar’s Mergui Archipelago.
Re-shooting the elephant
Tackling the root of all of Burma’s problems will unfortunately take shooting the rogue elephant seemingly contrite and wanting to serve the long suffering people still being trampled afoot given the “provocation”.
The reforms geared mainly towards the prosperity of the elites is like selective patches of nourishing rain (paukhara wattha moe of Burmese lore.
Whatever the mess European colonisers left fifty odd years of making it ten times worse has to be on the mindless head except for the most reactionary form of greed and selfishness inside the thick skull of this particular beast.
A happy end for Abhisit
Feel free to provide your presumably rosy version of just why Abhisit awarded (more rewarded, perhaps?) Newin’s BJT no fewer than three of the most lucrative ministries – Transport, Interior and Commerce.
To save your further blushes, probably better to pass over the notion that Abhisit’s Dems haven’t been up to their elbows in handing out cash at elections – along with just about every other party.
A happy end for Abhisit
Sorry to disagree.
But Ahbisit never tried. He never had any guts to do anything ‘publicly bad’, or ‘publicly good that may go bad’ for the matter.
He may not directly bribe Newin, but he turned a blind eye to Newin and his chums’ massive corruption- in hope that they can win over P.T. seats up north. But the locals knew, instead BJT lost so badly to PT in spite of massive vote-buying, giving YL the PM seat (yes, also vote-buying here).
Had Abhisit played by the rules, he would have ackbowledged who won the election and work towards winning the next election. He did not play by the rules.
Finally, Ahbisit is the clean-face fangless puppet of Democrat Party. Without him, with clearly corrupt (any other senior obviously very corrupt but clearly not puppet DP member) at helm, voters may be less distracted and more alert to bad guy vs badder guys issues. So, without Ahbisit, maybe TL would be better off.
A happy end for Abhisit
How do riots and walkouts during Parliamentary meetings qualify him as having tried to fight a democratic parliamentary fight? He and his party are more akin to the schoolyard bullies who, when they don’t like what is happening take their ball and go stomping off in a tantrum.
Rice, repression and rule by force
“Tongue in cheek”? Or did you mean “cheek by jowel”?
Indonesia and the Rohingya: de-legitimising democracy?
All this moral outrage is tiresome. Let us return to the old ANU tradition of being scientific instead.
What we are dealing with is migration of Asian peoples to the SE, which has gone on sporadically for about the last 40,000 years. The earlier settlers resist the newer migrants. The cause has always been the same: overpopulation. Hunter-gatherers reached the Malthusian limit before agriculturalists, and the agriculturalists reached it before industrialised people.
The main culture behind overpopulation and migration in comparatively recent history (to the SE in Asia and to the NW in Europe) is Islam. The explanation is Islam’s tradition of enslaving women as baby factories. That is the cultural trait that needs to be defeated. It has been defeated in Christianity. Italy has the lowest birth rate in Europe, proof of the total failure of the Vatican’s policy of expansionism by enslaving European women. Islam is next. It has a choice between a low birth rate, and a high death rate by war, starvation, and disease.
Action needed in the Buddhist-Muslim zone
Getting along the correct way 101
1) Never insult the Majority culture.
2) Never insist on a claim negative or positive that will put one at odd with the Majority.
3) Avoid every sign of nepotism.
4) Put the best foot forward in exchanges with others w/o resorting to name calling.
Google foreign aid to Bangladesh and realize the futility of effort due to the country culture, “The Black Hole of Asia”.
In Myanmar transgression aside, insisting on the ‘R’ designation will surly get the Kalar no where.
Last of all India treatment of Bengali is no better than any neighbor. Why pick on Myanmar??
Banning The Rocket
To be even more pedantic, the Lao hate being called Laotian as it smacks of the colonials and who wants to be equated with a nasty insect…. they call themselves Lao and call their language Lao. Paul, the Lao who have seen it loved it, it was scripted by a fabulous Lao woman and portrays relationships in an Akha not wider Lao families. Having been here for over 11 years I can only commend the film for its accuracy. Empathy is not a Lao trait. As you know Lao is a land of many ethncities most not recognised by the government. A lot of effort is put into assimilation to the point where when I talked to Phunoy recently they told me they were the same as Lao Loum.
Banning The Rocket
to be pedantic I must point out that they do not speak “Isan” in Laos; they speak Laotian. In Issan/Isaan they speak a dialect that is close to the Laotian language.
Islam and the state in Myanmar
Living there and leaving their mark is hardly the same as an outright attempt at ethnic cleansing and carving out territory by this lot except in actual colonisation.
The Rakhine have lived the reality and learned what kind of people they are dealing with since the colonial masters first let them in. You and the rest of the liberal bleeding hearts who have never been at the receiving end for so long are of course welcome to them.
Islam and the state in Myanmar
You have no point, as you have no proof. Are you Star Trek Captain Patrick Stewart, who believes merely reciting “Make it So”, is sufficient proof ? And like Stewart, your belief is indeed very much Science Fiction.
There have been Muslims in Asia since Chinese Muslim Zheng He traveled to Southeast Asia and Muslim traders from South Asia came to the Archipelago, we know as Malaysia and Indonesia. That hardly proves that Bangladeshis in Rahine State, today, are descended from 8th Century Bengali Muslims, in what would have been Arakan. The “Rohingya” are migrants from contemporary Bangladesh and nothing more.
Islam and the state in Myanmar
My point is that Muslims have been living in Rakhine State for centuries.
Waves of immigrants left their mark in the UK and everywhere else in the world over centuries also.
Action needed in the Buddhist-Muslim zone
They already have those, Pearshaped, in Papua New Guinea-and they don’t much like
Indonesia, especially the Islamic part. Fortunately, for PNG, cricket is not common in Indonesia, not even in Malaysia, anymore.