Malaysian muslim looovveeee to claim that they are more muslim than singapore, indonesian and even arab muslim. They think they know more about islam than other muslim in other country. While for the politicians, They loooovvveeee to use the religion as one of their agenda to gain more support from the malays. In the end, the apostates are being the victim in this situation.
This is not just any ordinary dog, this is the dog of the King of Thailand certainly we can discuss about how the king treat his own people comparing with his own dog. You see where this is going?
In your criticism of “Scott’s” (it’s not his at all) Zomia thesis, you don’t define what his conception of Zomia is, or what your conception of Zomia is, so how can your criticism be more than something simply taking pot shots at a mere word to lather your own reputation?
Other than that, yes I agree. I wonder how many linear development for ethnic minority in context with the Xi Bu Dai Kai Fa papers are presented versus anything that might be controversial!
Given that you guys have such an overtly political (and praiseworthy!) approach to reporting on conferences, I’m surprised that you’ve depoliticized this one.
(1) Politically, hosting an event like this in Kunming will be a big deal, very difficult to negotiate, and will involve both censorship and the fear of cancellation (both of specific panels, and of the event as a whole). If anyone disbelieves me on this, refer back to the significant precedent of the international anthropology conference drama that unfolded starting in 2008. (Indeed, it would be worthwhile to publish some interviews, even if anonymous ones, as to the type of political repression and censorship that was encountered in mounting that conference and “revising” some of the panels…).
(2) The “Asian Borderlands” conferences are linked to their own odious political issues, and, yes, I’ve already published an article on it (i.e., disparaging James C. Scott’s zomia hypothesis… a canard that the grey-haired former Marxists of western academia are now jumping on to market their old views anew in the language of 21st century armchair anarchism…). http://www.iias.nl/the-newsletter/article/indigenous-history-antidote-zomia-theory
Regardless of my own well-informed opinion, ask yourself this question: what do you think the reactions of Chinese government officials will be, when they receive a roughly translated intelligence sheet, that includes the subtitle of Scott’s work, “An anarchist history of…”? For an establishment that couldn’t handle the I.U.A.E.S. (without headlining every panel discussion and paper as proclaiming the party line of “ethnic harmony”)… how are they going to handle the James C. Scott fanclub coming to town?
Dr. Mujahid Yusof Rawa is from the Islamic Party of Malaysia and in my understanding, is from the progressive school. Hence , should not be associated with PERKASA, UMNO or conservatives.
We should ask Dr. Mujahid to define what he means when he says: “… so long as it does not surmount to hatred and challenging Islam…”
Love it when someone says “submit to freedom…but or as long as”
Reminds me of the joke..”You can choose any color you want, as long as it is black!”
Your Perkasa and Islam defender lads have been threatening to “kill” “maim” and other sorts of “uncivilised” actions against people of other believes. No one else has threatened muslims, especially in Malaysia. Please go read a book
Most apostasy cases in Malaysia do not amount to challenging Islam. Just look at some of the cases; Hartina Kamaruddin, Lina Joy, M.Revathi and Soon Singh to name a few. However since the 1990s apostasy has become a favourite issue to attract gullible Muslim voters. And this has resulted in the current scenario. The truth is apostasy existed even during the times of the Malacca sultanate, as evident from the Baba and Chitty communities who are products of mixed marriages between Malays and the Chinese and Indians at that time. The politicizing of religion has left not only many apostates in miserable state due to inability to register marriages and births, but has also resulted in a generation of pseudo-Muslims, people who are officially Muslims yet profess other faiths. As for Sabah and Sarawak, refusal of the National Registration Dept (NRD) to allow Muslims to renounce Islam contravenes the Malaysia Agreement 1963. Yet not a single politician has raised this in parliament.
Like father like son, no hope for thailand… people are dying in the floods and pampered dog(s) gets to eat cakes. And I thought Malaysia is bad… looks like those with money and no job all do the same thing.
Will ANU’s Australia or BBC’s UK accept 7 divisions strong illegal immigrants trained to do terrorist, subversive and sabotage acts?
And they have arm catches too. There were police have to fight off
2 to 3 battalions strong Bengali men try to reach their arm depots
and caches but local police had to fight off. See below
‘Most powerful of these organizations is RSO [Rohingya Solidatory
Organization], headed by Dr Yunus. It has 74,000 trained members.
The NGO “Rabeta Al Islam” is headquartered just beside the camp
of Dr Yunus, which provides monetary help to RSO….
…September last year[2009] shows these camps have Chinese RPG-2, rocket launchers, light machine guns, AK-47 and M-16.
..A supporter of Jammat-e-Islami, Dr Yunus is currently residing
in England [BBC UK] and Dr Nurul Islam in Saudi Arabia.’
aye san #58 made the very important point that “The beginning of this irritated issue is that Ann Jones put the rohingya as the icon of Rakhine ,which is one significant state of our burma. ”
As a result of the protests the BBC has also changed the map by adding a photo of Arakan ethnic women. The initial bias to the extent of omitting the principal national group in Rakhine State in favour of the usurper group or plain ignorance on the part of the BBC was there for all the Rakhine and Burmese to see.
Martin Smith’s The Muslim “Rohingya” of Burma(1995), posted by none other than the Arakan Rohingya National Organisation in 2006 sets the whole issue in its proper context from the beginning.
The charitable view would be that the BBC ‘s Anna Jones was either too sloppy to have done her homework or just confused and fooled by this vocal group supported by Saudi Arabia et al and other well meaning but equally confused people outside Burma.
Those who said that riddah or apostacy is a punishment argues that treason or bughah is another category by itself that amounts to death. The debate is academic. Other concern that by large is the substace of syariah is the blessing part. Taking into consideration the background of what the muslim world is facing today the more urgent need is to educate muslims to hold fast to their believe, Islam cannot be seen punishing apostate in the midst of the muslims being weak themselves. Indeed I do submitt to freedom of faith so long as it does not surmount to hatred and challenging Islam.
I don’t think Malaysia is the only Islamic country which declares war on apostacy. Try to name one where someone would feel free to declare themselves a convert to Christianity. A few quotes from moderates doesn’t mean that Islam allows questioning of the Quran. Just ask Ayaan Hirshi Ali if you can get past her bodyguards.
It is hard to know whether people are genuine or not. But it all seems more fanciful than “Alice in wonderland”.
First thing first. In Burma, by the very nature, there are never two or three “Heads”. Like good old day New York mafia, there is always one and one only. A John Gotti. Ne Win was known as “Number One Gyi”.
Unless you can uproot the “Old man”, you can’t go to the toilet without the nod.
Unless one is on drugs, which are produced in Burma more than ever after this ” reform” thing than before for a funny reason, or lost in delusion, it would be clear as sunshine that Thein Sein cannot even decide which breakfast to eat.
If someone does not believe that the so-called Myitsone demonstrations are just quietly sanctioned for the purpose of fooling the fools, try one more for the pipeline. Go to Kyaukphyu and demonstrate and see how precious being alive is.
Why is it that Aung San Suu Kyi after screaming to go around the country suddenly forgets to mention it now? Lost the desire to listen to the people, the real ones, not the self-styled politicians from Rangoon? At least she can sense that the new so-called openness does not extend to a single unsanctioned public gathering.
Try going to Mandalay and start a public speech unannounced and see how long it lasts.
Truth is hard to endure and self-delusion with or without drugs is more comfortable. There is NO change. There has always been one and only script. And all actors stick to it and say the lines accurately to the cue.
No amount of drug can sooth girls being raped, some raped to death or raped and killed, people driven out of their peaceful existence while some other people around the world are rushing over each other to loot more of Burma.
Reforming government trying to rush through law (not that law means anything in Burma) to casually take tha land away from traditional farmers who have been feeding tha country for centuries?
Where is Burma heading? Abyss.
In 5 years, there will be high-rise buildings, wide paved boulevards and highways, iPads and fast broadband with blaring night clubs and fashionable restaurants all over the country with polluted air and sewage rivers, bald plain landscapes with hundreds of thousands of drug addicts and prostitutes Thailand would be envious of.
@ Shah Akani #49
In my note, I didn’t say anything that means I will convert to any other religion. I was just pointing out that some of our Muslim brothers are obsessed with gaining the name Rohingya at the expense of our freedoms. We are now more targeted for suppression. We need to learn better to live in diversity. I don’t know if you are outside the country. I do have to admit that my Arakanese neighborhood is a warm one.
I have all the trust in the Almighty, but this does not mean that I have to disagree with other Arakanese all the time. A lot of us are more likely to be granted citizenship in the country if we stop claiming ourselves Rohingya all the time and agree to live in harmony. I have seen a lot of examples of this.
I normally do not like to comment on anything to do with the royal family on the internet giving the harsh 112 nonsense that politicians, royalists and opportunists like to exploit. I don’t think given normal circumstances and for normal families, that there is anything wrong with having a celebration of your dog’s birthday. It is however very telling of the mindset of, to lack a better description, Thai “elites”, to be celebrating a dog’s birthday in such style when Bangkok is quick becoming a giant toilet. Given that the royalist myth of a down to earth, ‘sufficient economy’ mentality that the Thais are suppose to be follow, a display of a b-day celebration such as this, for a dog, is indeed insensitive and a mockery to the Thai masses. I really would like to comment more, but again for fear of 112, I think my point should be “sufficient” enough.
If this parliamentary approach was in breach of the constitution and thankfully dropped, there can be little doubt the uncontrollably orgasmic removal of virtually all voices of opposition under the previous regime must have been so also. Can the court cases against the excesses of the previous regime now commence……
The Perkasa and other “rather extreme” Islamic groups make a lot of noise and get a disproportionate amount of air time compared to their actual support.
All their gatherings and protest have drawn only a handful of people. The “million” muslims gathering only manage less than 5000 of which 70% or more are children (percentage estimated from published photos)
I am not sure why they are given so much airtime… may have something to do with the BN govt “rattling sabres”.. vote us or else…
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Apostasy in Malaysia: The hidden view
Malaysian muslim looovveeee to claim that they are more muslim than singapore, indonesian and even arab muslim. They think they know more about islam than other muslim in other country. While for the politicians, They loooovvveeee to use the religion as one of their agenda to gain more support from the malays. In the end, the apostates are being the victim in this situation.
Happy Birthday Thongdaeng
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This is not just any ordinary dog, this is the dog of the King of Thailand certainly we can discuss about how the king treat his own people comparing with his own dog. You see where this is going?
Asian Borderlands: Connections, Corridors, Communities
Mazard,
In your criticism of “Scott’s” (it’s not his at all) Zomia thesis, you don’t define what his conception of Zomia is, or what your conception of Zomia is, so how can your criticism be more than something simply taking pot shots at a mere word to lather your own reputation?
Other than that, yes I agree. I wonder how many linear development for ethnic minority in context with the Xi Bu Dai Kai Fa papers are presented versus anything that might be controversial!
Perhaps there’ll be another situation akin to that of the US contributors to a Xinjiang volume who were barred from entering the country: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-11/china-banning-u-s-professors-elicits-silence-from-colleges.html
Asian Borderlands: Connections, Corridors, Communities
N.F.,
Given that you guys have such an overtly political (and praiseworthy!) approach to reporting on conferences, I’m surprised that you’ve depoliticized this one.
(1) Politically, hosting an event like this in Kunming will be a big deal, very difficult to negotiate, and will involve both censorship and the fear of cancellation (both of specific panels, and of the event as a whole). If anyone disbelieves me on this, refer back to the significant precedent of the international anthropology conference drama that unfolded starting in 2008. (Indeed, it would be worthwhile to publish some interviews, even if anonymous ones, as to the type of political repression and censorship that was encountered in mounting that conference and “revising” some of the panels…).
(2) The “Asian Borderlands” conferences are linked to their own odious political issues, and, yes, I’ve already published an article on it (i.e., disparaging James C. Scott’s zomia hypothesis… a canard that the grey-haired former Marxists of western academia are now jumping on to market their old views anew in the language of 21st century armchair anarchism…).
http://www.iias.nl/the-newsletter/article/indigenous-history-antidote-zomia-theory
Regardless of my own well-informed opinion, ask yourself this question: what do you think the reactions of Chinese government officials will be, when they receive a roughly translated intelligence sheet, that includes the subtitle of Scott’s work, “An anarchist history of…”? For an establishment that couldn’t handle the I.U.A.E.S. (without headlining every panel discussion and paper as proclaiming the party line of “ethnic harmony”)… how are they going to handle the James C. Scott fanclub coming to town?
Apostasy in Malaysia: The hidden view
@ Neptunian #6
Dr. Mujahid Yusof Rawa is from the Islamic Party of Malaysia and in my understanding, is from the progressive school. Hence , should not be associated with PERKASA, UMNO or conservatives.
We should ask Dr. Mujahid to define what he means when he says: “… so long as it does not surmount to hatred and challenging Islam…”
Happy Birthday Thongdaeng
@Andrew Walker no, she got “Chanel boots”.
Happy Birthday Thongdaeng
Dog eats cake while Joe Gordon rots in Jail. Shame.
Apostasy in Malaysia: The hidden view
Mujahid #4,
Love it when someone says “submit to freedom…but or as long as”
Reminds me of the joke..”You can choose any color you want, as long as it is black!”
Your Perkasa and Islam defender lads have been threatening to “kill” “maim” and other sorts of “uncivilised” actions against people of other believes. No one else has threatened muslims, especially in Malaysia. Please go read a book
Apostasy in Malaysia: The hidden view
Most apostasy cases in Malaysia do not amount to challenging Islam. Just look at some of the cases; Hartina Kamaruddin, Lina Joy, M.Revathi and Soon Singh to name a few. However since the 1990s apostasy has become a favourite issue to attract gullible Muslim voters. And this has resulted in the current scenario. The truth is apostasy existed even during the times of the Malacca sultanate, as evident from the Baba and Chitty communities who are products of mixed marriages between Malays and the Chinese and Indians at that time. The politicizing of religion has left not only many apostates in miserable state due to inability to register marriages and births, but has also resulted in a generation of pseudo-Muslims, people who are officially Muslims yet profess other faiths. As for Sabah and Sarawak, refusal of the National Registration Dept (NRD) to allow Muslims to renounce Islam contravenes the Malaysia Agreement 1963. Yet not a single politician has raised this in parliament.
Happy Birthday Thongdaeng
Like father like son, no hope for thailand… people are dying in the floods and pampered dog(s) gets to eat cakes. And I thought Malaysia is bad… looks like those with money and no job all do the same thing.
BBC under fire on Rohingyas
Will ANU’s Australia or BBC’s UK accept 7 divisions strong illegal immigrants trained to do terrorist, subversive and sabotage acts?
And they have arm catches too. There were police have to fight off
2 to 3 battalions strong Bengali men try to reach their arm depots
and caches but local police had to fight off. See below
‘Most powerful of these organizations is RSO [Rohingya Solidatory
Organization], headed by Dr Yunus. It has 74,000 trained members.
The NGO “Rabeta Al Islam” is headquartered just beside the camp
of Dr Yunus, which provides monetary help to RSO….
…September last year[2009] shows these camps have Chinese RPG-2, rocket launchers, light machine guns, AK-47 and M-16.
..A supporter of Jammat-e-Islami, Dr Yunus is currently residing
in England [BBC UK] and Dr Nurul Islam in Saudi Arabia.’
Rohingya poses threat to the state
Posted on Tuesday, December 28th, 2010
BDNL
http://bdnl.net/en/2010/12/rohingyas-pose-threat-to-state/
BBC under fire on Rohingyas
aye san #58 made the very important point that “The beginning of this irritated issue is that Ann Jones put the rohingya as the icon of Rakhine ,which is one significant state of our burma. ”
As a result of the protests the BBC has also changed the map by adding a photo of Arakan ethnic women. The initial bias to the extent of omitting the principal national group in Rakhine State in favour of the usurper group or plain ignorance on the part of the BBC was there for all the Rakhine and Burmese to see.
Martin Smith’s The Muslim “Rohingya” of Burma(1995), posted by none other than the Arakan Rohingya National Organisation in 2006 sets the whole issue in its proper context from the beginning.
The charitable view would be that the BBC ‘s Anna Jones was either too sloppy to have done her homework or just confused and fooled by this vocal group supported by Saudi Arabia et al and other well meaning but equally confused people outside Burma.
Apostasy in Malaysia: The hidden view
Those who said that riddah or apostacy is a punishment argues that treason or bughah is another category by itself that amounts to death. The debate is academic. Other concern that by large is the substace of syariah is the blessing part. Taking into consideration the background of what the muslim world is facing today the more urgent need is to educate muslims to hold fast to their believe, Islam cannot be seen punishing apostate in the midst of the muslims being weak themselves. Indeed I do submitt to freedom of faith so long as it does not surmount to hatred and challenging Islam.
Dr. Mujahid Yusof Rawa
MP of Malaysia.
Apostasy in Malaysia: The hidden view
I don’t think Malaysia is the only Islamic country which declares war on apostacy. Try to name one where someone would feel free to declare themselves a convert to Christianity. A few quotes from moderates doesn’t mean that Islam allows questioning of the Quran. Just ask Ayaan Hirshi Ali if you can get past her bodyguards.
Making sense of Burma today
It is hard to know whether people are genuine or not. But it all seems more fanciful than “Alice in wonderland”.
First thing first. In Burma, by the very nature, there are never two or three “Heads”. Like good old day New York mafia, there is always one and one only. A John Gotti. Ne Win was known as “Number One Gyi”.
Unless you can uproot the “Old man”, you can’t go to the toilet without the nod.
Unless one is on drugs, which are produced in Burma more than ever after this ” reform” thing than before for a funny reason, or lost in delusion, it would be clear as sunshine that Thein Sein cannot even decide which breakfast to eat.
If someone does not believe that the so-called Myitsone demonstrations are just quietly sanctioned for the purpose of fooling the fools, try one more for the pipeline. Go to Kyaukphyu and demonstrate and see how precious being alive is.
Why is it that Aung San Suu Kyi after screaming to go around the country suddenly forgets to mention it now? Lost the desire to listen to the people, the real ones, not the self-styled politicians from Rangoon? At least she can sense that the new so-called openness does not extend to a single unsanctioned public gathering.
Try going to Mandalay and start a public speech unannounced and see how long it lasts.
Truth is hard to endure and self-delusion with or without drugs is more comfortable. There is NO change. There has always been one and only script. And all actors stick to it and say the lines accurately to the cue.
No amount of drug can sooth girls being raped, some raped to death or raped and killed, people driven out of their peaceful existence while some other people around the world are rushing over each other to loot more of Burma.
Reforming government trying to rush through law (not that law means anything in Burma) to casually take tha land away from traditional farmers who have been feeding tha country for centuries?
Where is Burma heading? Abyss.
In 5 years, there will be high-rise buildings, wide paved boulevards and highways, iPads and fast broadband with blaring night clubs and fashionable restaurants all over the country with polluted air and sewage rivers, bald plain landscapes with hundreds of thousands of drug addicts and prostitutes Thailand would be envious of.
Welcome to new Burma.
BBC under fire on Rohingyas
@ Shah Akani #49
In my note, I didn’t say anything that means I will convert to any other religion. I was just pointing out that some of our Muslim brothers are obsessed with gaining the name Rohingya at the expense of our freedoms. We are now more targeted for suppression. We need to learn better to live in diversity. I don’t know if you are outside the country. I do have to admit that my Arakanese neighborhood is a warm one.
I have all the trust in the Almighty, but this does not mean that I have to disagree with other Arakanese all the time. A lot of us are more likely to be granted citizenship in the country if we stop claiming ourselves Rohingya all the time and agree to live in harmony. I have seen a lot of examples of this.
Happy Birthday Thongdaeng
I normally do not like to comment on anything to do with the royal family on the internet giving the harsh 112 nonsense that politicians, royalists and opportunists like to exploit. I don’t think given normal circumstances and for normal families, that there is anything wrong with having a celebration of your dog’s birthday. It is however very telling of the mindset of, to lack a better description, Thai “elites”, to be celebrating a dog’s birthday in such style when Bangkok is quick becoming a giant toilet. Given that the royalist myth of a down to earth, ‘sufficient economy’ mentality that the Thais are suppose to be follow, a display of a b-day celebration such as this, for a dog, is indeed insensitive and a mockery to the Thai masses. I really would like to comment more, but again for fear of 112, I think my point should be “sufficient” enough.
Happy Birthday Thongdaeng
Fu Fu : Hey !ThongDaeng that my cake!
sufficient economy!
sufficiency economy!
sufficiency economy ! Thongdaeng
What’s going on with the Thai Printing Act?
If this parliamentary approach was in breach of the constitution and thankfully dropped, there can be little doubt the uncontrollably orgasmic removal of virtually all voices of opposition under the previous regime must have been so also. Can the court cases against the excesses of the previous regime now commence……
Apostasy in Malaysia: The hidden view
The Perkasa and other “rather extreme” Islamic groups make a lot of noise and get a disproportionate amount of air time compared to their actual support.
All their gatherings and protest have drawn only a handful of people. The “million” muslims gathering only manage less than 5000 of which 70% or more are children (percentage estimated from published photos)
I am not sure why they are given so much airtime… may have something to do with the BN govt “rattling sabres”.. vote us or else…