Michael,
I believe both of us have just scratched the surface with our observations about Thai schools, Thai teachers and the Thai education system; basically the whole thing stinks and needs a major overhaul from the top down.
There are many other examples I could give you but will restrict it to just one.
Because I am retired, I am available during school hours and have been called to the school on many occasions, so much so that my car is permitted in the school grounds itself (reserved for the most influential Thais). Most of the calls are about students being threatened by teachers: Haircuts, confiscated cell phones, assaults by teachers, etc. My daughter said I have been chosen because; The teachers that should know English, do not and therefore I embarrass them into submission. The Thai teachers know I know the head master and get on well with him and don’t want to incur his wrath. And finally, the Thai teachers know I will call the police if there has been an assault and they can’t afford to have the so-called top high school in Thailand embarrassed, themselves embarrassed and the education department minions on their case, taking their tea money. They also know I will not let the case slide into obscurity and I have had the grim pleasure twice of watching the teacher apologise to the parents (heaven forbid them apologising to the student they assaulted).
The most proficient “teacher” (in education, Master’s from overseas) at the school has been promoted/demoted to coordinator and she is now my link to keeping the other teachers on a leash. In other words, behaving themselves, but the students suffer because she is no longer teaching.
I think a whole new page should be started just on the Thai education system, I know I could write at least a page and not even scratch the surface.
Roger
Benja S S #84: “The main difference between a Democracy and a Republic is in a Democracy, 99% can vote away the right of 1% of the population (Mob Rule) while in a Republic, 99% can not vote away the PROTECTED right of 1% of the population (Rule by Law). ”
Can you give me any examples in recent history, in, say Australia, U.K., or one of the well-established Euro democracies where this (99% of the people voting away the right of a minor %age of the population? Mob Rule) has occurred? If so, could it happen in U.S?
It seems to me that those rights that are “PROTECTED” in these countries have a legal basis, just as they do in US. Whether they are ‘enshrined’, as Americans like to put it, in the constitution, is not particularly relevant, since a law is a law. Indeed, in some cases it is arguably better not to have too many specific details in a constitution, because our understanding of rights changes over time, & amending a constitution is much more difficult than amending a law brought down by government. The right to bear arms, for example, in US is now an anachronism and has caused an enormous amount of trouble.
I can’t see that Thailand is heading towards becoming a republic, or should do so. However, in the next constitution, I do feel that a few clauses should be included, and the fact that it is not a republic will not prevent this: e.g. that the judiciary shall be independent, impartial & fully accountable to the people; that every person is equal under the law; that the military is for the protection of the people from external threats, & may not be turned against them, & is accountable to the people for its acts in all cases; that the government is for the service of the people, & will strive to work for the betterment & free & equal access to opportunity of every citizen, civil organisation & business, & will be fully accountable to the people; that the people shall have the unimpeded right to freedom of speech and the free exchange of ideas, except where it can be clearly shown…; etc.
BTW, the British Empire didn’t have citizens. It had subjects. There is quite a difference.
The quotes you’ve shown are fun. They are mostly skeptical witticisms which make us think about their implications & laugh at our puny efforts to engineer a perfect society. But they should not be taken as statements of truth.
I have first hand experience of the racial riots, as I was brought up and was living in a Kampong, very close to Kuala Lumpur then. It is now part of Kuala Lumpur. I was also very very close to some special branch members. At that time (unlike now), the special branch concentrated on anti-insurgency work. Since the end of the “communist” problem, the branch has changed its emphasis to serious crimes and narcotics.
My family was informed of possible racial riots, a few hours before it happened. The main organiser was D’ Harun and it happened when it was shown that the DAP has won a majority in Selangor state. The whole thing was UMNO’s backup plan. Furthermore, UMNO also had a militant youth wing then – I believe they still have that wing now.
(People like Badawi etc were active leaders of that militant wing)
For the first few days, we were shielded from any attacks by our Malays neighbours, later this became untenable bcos, they came under pressure to “surrender” us. Our friends from special branch then moved us to a “safe” area.
Royal malay regiment soldiers were also involved with the killings, not just rioters. The police (who were pretty neutral then) finally sequested aid from Iban territorial army units to restore peace. (this part of the info came from the special branch officer who has since passed away)
Knowing that, I believe, it will always be a backup plan of UMNO to retain power at Federal level. Losing power in the states is a nuisance, but not fatal. The federation agreement and separation of powers between state and federal has long been ignored. There is also no institutionalised or formal agreement on the allocation of funds collected by the govt. This put all fiscal power in the hands of the federal govt.
Another challenge is to increase the number of people sentenced because they violated the curfew:
36 arrested in Bangkok for violating curfew Sunday night
Thirty-six people were arrested in Bangkok for violating the 11pm-4 am curfew Sunday night, raising to 511 the number of arrests since May 20, the Metropolitan Police Bureau announced Monday.
Pol Maj Gen Piya Uthayo, spokesman of the Metropolitan Police, said 511 people have been arrested for violating curfew intentionally or without justified causes since May 20.
They were sentenced to two months in jail and a fine of Bt2,000 each. But the jail term was suspended and they were put on probation for two years, Piya said.
Dear Greg,
I would be sticking my neck out saying I was on either side at the time, but I certainly was not going to shoot the Chinese Malays if we had gone to KL. Fortunately, even though trucks were parked on the regimental parade ground, the order to move didn’t come, and so we stayed at Terandak Barracks.
At the time nearly all prosperous businesses in KL were run by Chinese Malays who worked very hard. Their children were all sent, at great personal expense, to the best schools they could afford. Most of them spoke Malay, Chinese and English. I honestly don’t think that Malaya would be where it is today without the Chinese Malays.
Even at Terandak Barracks (a sprawling, far flung outpost in the middle of nowhere) the Chinese Malays and to a lesser extent the Indians, ran everything. “The Strip” (I think it was called that), 1/2 a mile outside the barracks was also run by Chinese Malays. If you needed to buy a car, motorbike, watch, radio or howsyourfather at reasonable prices, you would talk to your friendly bar owner. None of the Australians would go to the NAAFI (the British equivalent of ASCO Australian Services Canteen Organisation)) as the prices were exorbitant. You could go to any bar, ask the owner where you could buy a new car and 5 minutes later he would have a relatives name, address and phone number (normally in KL), where cars could be bought tax free and shipped back to Australia at the end of the tour of duty. Much the same as Singapore when we moved to Changi Barracks.
The Australian Army Archives should have all the warning orders, movement orders and briefing papers.
Good luck, there are still many unanswered questions about the riots and tensions still simmer.
Roger
While ASTV is permitted to keep spewing hatred, the opposition (which once upon a time won the last elections, a fact not attributable to 100% of vote buying), UDD websites and their TV channel were shut down.
Central World is fully insured. And as was to be expected, the rich mall owners will get compensation from losses due to protests.
Arson and terrorism = now it’s all clear and easy to understand. It’s Animal Farm time – again.
Handley published a paper on the Privy Council in 2008. apparently, certain powers wanted to extend lese majeste laws to council members, too. Way to go: extend the curfew for a year / extend the lese majeste punishments / make it official that no Thai can get a lese majeste pardon (unlike many foreigners) / adopt the PAd’s interpretation of “democracy” and never again look back or face an electorate disrupting politicking by voting “wrongly”.
The brainwashing begins at school level – and it’s all about the institution, not single personalities. Interestingly, Paul Handley’s banned book triggered a severe response by officialdom. But they failed to find a lot of fault with the facts. But then, it’s all about BELIFS and make-belief, isn’t it?
We should wish him luck ? I don’t think so. After killing so many people and refusing to offer even the smallest compromise, he is not going to be able appease the red shirts with anything he offers them.
Money is not going to solve this problem as few populist offers to give people free electricity or cheap train tickets is hardly going to do the job. The only offer wanted is his resignation. Then the country can move on and start talking.
The author of the “On Bhumibolists and Royalists” is a Thai, educated in Thailand, and living and working in Thailand. For reasons that should be obvious, the author had to disguise his identity.
The author has no hatred of Thais or Thailand.
The author did not and does not condone violence or terrorism attributed to neither the yellow or red camps.
The distinction between Bhumibolists and Royalists predates the yellow/red color coding of Thai politics. There are Bhumibolists (who might or might not be Royalists) in both camps, and there are Royalists (who are not Bhumibolists) in both camps.
I’m living in Thailand. Although I cannot speak Thai, I’ve been noticing a few things:
1.) the media is streamlined – cartoons in the yellow press and all.
2.) Taksin is the bogey man – but he was a $ billionaire before entering politics and contrary to all accusations, all the alledged acts of corruption amount to a comparatively low amount in the $ millions.
3.) Very convenient – the recent grab for his assets. Those who suffer from corrupt cops know how this goes – – -)
4.) Certain news items are NOT being fairly presented or commeted upon, e.g. the Electorate commission’s ruling on the ruling party’s $ 8 million contribution.
5.) Now consider a former elected PM’s ruling over a cooking show.
6.) When the King spoke, he was addressing the judges, not the warring society. Don’t hold your breath for a quick and fair and lawful ruling – the Electoral commission is demanding that Abhisit be banned from politics for 9 years and the ruling party be dissolved!
7.) There is a huge SIMPLIFICATION going on. Red = terrorists and arsonists and non Thai etc. A mob for rent, paid for by Taksin etc. But don’t forget, the results of the last elections are not reflecting 1005 vote buying on the part of the Reds.
8.) The government loves it – lese majeste laws (they wanted to include Privy Council members, too but that was criticised and then dropped) plus extreme censorship. Combined with weak journalists who do not ask any unpleasant questions like the $ 8 million violation and the call for his own resignation.
9.) All kinds of underhanded tricks are being prepared to handle the fact that in the next elections, Abhisit who lacks a public vote (his party won the last elections in 1992) is likely to not win the next elections. The answer? Just postpone them!!
10.) It is terrible, seeing how Red shirt leaders are being presented in a state of undress. If the Reds had won, I would oppose them parading Abhisit in his cell, scantily clad.
Those who live here know the double standards. A murderous road rage attack? Years in jail with no bail or able to keep the driving license? Trick question: who is the son of the Chief of Police? http://www.thaivisa.com
Where are forensic teams analyzing the ammunition found in the bodies? No investigation into the sniper killings? Some report that people cooking for the crowd in the temple were mowed down. Surely, one can tell whether the Army or some ragtag protesters used certain ammo?
Oh, after April 10th, I recall the Army spokesman’s claims that the soldiers “only fired into the air”.
It’s getting silly.
Go on, extend the curfew, hand out life on lese majeste offenses and someone please explain whether royal pardons are only for foreigners, or also obtained by Thais rotting in jail for free speech? Just asking, based on the king’s speech in which he asks to change the way the system works (my interpretation is criticism with lese majeste laws).
While I have no idea what the truth is, a lot of the stories put forth have too much spin for my liking.
– What next for Thailand’s education system?
often used as a patronising reason for dismissing country Thai peoples ability to understand democracy
to understand democracy needs primary school or less and ability to judge other people. democracy is so simple… the sophisticated people in Bangkok do not want to know… thats the only problem
they do not want to admit that even the lowliest person can judge
another person and recognise the environment they are living in… and thats all you need to be able to make up your mind who to vote for
the sophisticated people think that politics is complicated because it
is for them… they have all these complications about how to manage and increase their wealth and how to make sure that the mass of people around them dont get any share of it… and they are fat and lazy, they dont want to disturb the old successful patterns
democracy is horrible, every 3 or 4 years you might get a new government and have to make sure all your legal and illegal businesses and schemes dont get found out and spoilt by some new broom
– What next for the conflict in the southern-most provinces?
Without the military, the government, reds with Peu Thai, PAD, etc with
the police performing their normal moderating role in society will be
able to act like normal political rivals and develop democratic solutions.
As an aside I also believe the insurgency in the south of Thailand will
also subside since it is fuelled primarily by the same rule by the
military (“Bangkok elites”) that is inspiring the reds only more so
because the military in the south are exercising their violence, sadism
and illegal businesses at levels so far not permitted to them, except in
treating certain groups like refugees and “illegal migrant workers” in
the rest of the country.
Seems to me that Thai police usually try to act within their roles and would perform better, including in the south but the military interferes in major ways not only by intruding on the roles of the police but also of course its involvement in legal and illegal businesses and in political affairs.
This elite ethnic bargaining with UMNO as the guarantor of “stability” has clearly been breached – through its own actions especially after the departure of Mahathir and also with the opposition coalition looking more credible at providing stability.
Wonder if what is happening in Thailand may spill over in Malaysia – of course with alienated Malays leading the charge?
“Last week, we could neither open doors nor windows of our house, the smoke was so dense. We could hear bombs, gunshots and choppers flying around. I could even time that, all activities started at 5 a.m. Heavy frequency was from 9 p.m. until 2 a.m.
I took Eins and Arc to dine with my American friend and a foreign journalist on Sathorn-Suan Plu area last Friday night. We all experienced bombing and shooting in front of the place we were, and directly encountered with the mob mobilized on the way back home.
Now, some of my tenants decided to move out from an estate that they had signed for a long term rent – of course, I had to waive the penalty, and I have to repair and renovate two other properties. It is a real loss of income, and “out-of-pocket” expenses for me.
Are we annoyed, angry at the UDD?
NOT AT ALL.
Aimy, the youngest, was a bit afraid. But I explained to her and to her brother and sisters about the cause. Oeil, the third, is cooler. All kids are now brainwashed.
We all empathize to the UDD.
I personally went into the mob and talked with those villagers “ban nok”. I contributed money to several “groups” there, and still render support whatever I can to them.
Why?
I rallied openly against Thaksin in 2005-06.
But the efforts of “the power that be” put to quell UDD down, has destroyed the country more than what Thaksin could have done himself.
I never think this incident would be like October 1973 or May 1992 – act & stop. Rather, it would be closer to October 1976 – let the blood flow. “There is no mercy for those who pose threat or show disrespect”, then license to kill was granted. That was why I openly alerted for international intervention before the massacre took place.
I may be hypnotized by all foreign clips, articles, and media that I have gone through.
It may be better option if the military comes in to neutralize the stalemate. The longer Aphisit clings on to power, the deeper the conflict. Using snipers killing its own citizens for wanting democracy is beyond any baseline. With Aphisit, the country would only move toward underground arms struggle. It’s time Aphisit should go so that the country still has the chance of healing.
– What next for the Thai military?
A: The soldiers who killed the red-shirt will get promoted. Thai people (especially Bangkok people) admire and respect them because they can kill the “terrorism” away. (Bangkok people and some elites hate red-shirt from Thai media-bias influence and the red-shirts disrupt their shopping paradise in Bangkok.)
– What next for Thailand’s education system?
A: In Thai history subject, will record the red-shirt as terrorism.
– What next for the families of those who have been killed and injured in recent political violence?
A: Sad, angry, upset, loose of faith in Democracy system in Thailand. Some of them will try to revenge. Some of them do not want to be “Thai” people anymore. They have the bomb in their mind and waiting for the time to explode. The bomb of feeling injustice.
– What next for the Thai police?
A:Maybe labelled by Thai media as nonprofessional, red-shirt support, etc.
What next for memories of political violence and social conflict?
A: Thailand will be deeply divide. If there is no justice in the country, there would be no peace.
Red-shirt and the one who feel the injustice cannot stay calm anymore, they will want to stand up and fight. Fight does not mean with weapons, but with their mind, they will try to find the way to bring back their justice.
The situation here in Bangkok. some people thinks this is the end… instead this is the beginning.
What next for Thai youth?
A: Many Thai youth have been taught to dare to declare their opinions, but they have never been taught to respect opinions of other people that think different from them. And also they have never been taught to use reason and evidence to support theit opinions instead of using emotional intention.
What next for Thai foreign policy?
A: Find Thaksin, discredit Thaksin, label him as terrorist and try to make him cannot go to any country in the world and do not pay attention about Thai import-export because Thaksin is the first priority.
What next for the conflict in the southern-most provinces?
A: Still remains. The current government do not pay much attention to this problem. Maybe because they spend time trying to build up their credit instead and they may not be capable enough to handle southern-most provinces problem.
What next for the Centre for the Resolution of Emergency Situations?
A: Surely get promoted.
What next for the Thai parliamentary system?
A: The “system” in Thailand cannot operate because the current government try to destroy anything that is the system and replace with the organization they build to be above the democratic system such as Centre for the Resolution of Emergency Situations, they have too much power to controy any system in Thailand.
What next for the Thai media?
A: Still biased, label the red-shirts and Thaksin. Build credit to current government and military and Centre for the Resolution of Emergency Situations. Thai media will still lead and teach Thai people to hate the red-shirt and do not open mind for different opinions.
Wishing luck on a no-win gamble would mean stupidity. Even if you wish to see Thailand peaceful, this plan of ‘to crack down on Red Shirt leaders while promising to address economic inequalities’ is Abhisit’s double speak at work.
The Reds has no reason to believe this Con-man from Eton, nor did he gave them any. Those who return home will bring their own accounts to Red territory, where the population’s anger awaits. More curfews and crackdowns will heal this rift? Sort of like a whip will heal a wound.
No sane man will bet on Abhisit curing Thailand’s plight. And if you do find one, check his drink. In case the country spirals further, and you need it yourself!
of course “even” gareth evans was guilty of pandering to international (US) pressure when he supported the Khmer Rouge…
meanwhile Alex Downer (of all people) has spoken out for democratic forces in Thailand so perhaps Aust parliament MPs do have some regard for democratic principles and Alex is reflecting these whereas Stephen Smith as the FM has a “broader picture” to consider.
I assume the “broader picture” is the US alliance, particularly the
military and intelligence (spooks) alliance.
The US military and spooks have deep links into Thailand, from Vietnam, Laos and Cambodian War days (ooopppss was there a Laos War and who supported the Khmer Rouge?) and now secret renditions for the valuable political tool called the War on Terror admitted in the US but still denied in Thailand.
So Stephen Smith no doubt has been advised by his Canberra desk spooks to support the Thai military and their puppet government, and like a good little intelligence community servant has done their bidding.
I wonder if Stephen has an opportunity to realise that the ideals of
democracy are actually an even bigger picture than the evil machinations of the military forces of the world and Barack Obama might value Stephens support in loosening the US military grip on Thailand and other similar situations in so many other countries.
I just note for the record that the best way to forecast future “trouble
spots” is to identify where the US is interfering now (blowback). So,
Australia and Thailand beware!
No more comments from me. I want to withdraw coz I’m sick of people thought they know a lot about what’s happening but they actually don’t. Maybe this news article from a local Thai newspaper might help open up your blue eyes a little bit. Names and VDO clips are the evidence that this is not a made up story. Sorry only available in Thai, if you can read.
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Michael,
I believe both of us have just scratched the surface with our observations about Thai schools, Thai teachers and the Thai education system; basically the whole thing stinks and needs a major overhaul from the top down.
There are many other examples I could give you but will restrict it to just one.
Because I am retired, I am available during school hours and have been called to the school on many occasions, so much so that my car is permitted in the school grounds itself (reserved for the most influential Thais). Most of the calls are about students being threatened by teachers: Haircuts, confiscated cell phones, assaults by teachers, etc. My daughter said I have been chosen because; The teachers that should know English, do not and therefore I embarrass them into submission. The Thai teachers know I know the head master and get on well with him and don’t want to incur his wrath. And finally, the Thai teachers know I will call the police if there has been an assault and they can’t afford to have the so-called top high school in Thailand embarrassed, themselves embarrassed and the education department minions on their case, taking their tea money. They also know I will not let the case slide into obscurity and I have had the grim pleasure twice of watching the teacher apologise to the parents (heaven forbid them apologising to the student they assaulted).
The most proficient “teacher” (in education, Master’s from overseas) at the school has been promoted/demoted to coordinator and she is now my link to keeping the other teachers on a leash. In other words, behaving themselves, but the students suffer because she is no longer teaching.
I think a whole new page should be started just on the Thai education system, I know I could write at least a page and not even scratch the surface.
Roger
Thai style democracy?
Benja S S #84: “The main difference between a Democracy and a Republic is in a Democracy, 99% can vote away the right of 1% of the population (Mob Rule) while in a Republic, 99% can not vote away the PROTECTED right of 1% of the population (Rule by Law). ”
Can you give me any examples in recent history, in, say Australia, U.K., or one of the well-established Euro democracies where this (99% of the people voting away the right of a minor %age of the population? Mob Rule) has occurred? If so, could it happen in U.S?
It seems to me that those rights that are “PROTECTED” in these countries have a legal basis, just as they do in US. Whether they are ‘enshrined’, as Americans like to put it, in the constitution, is not particularly relevant, since a law is a law. Indeed, in some cases it is arguably better not to have too many specific details in a constitution, because our understanding of rights changes over time, & amending a constitution is much more difficult than amending a law brought down by government. The right to bear arms, for example, in US is now an anachronism and has caused an enormous amount of trouble.
I can’t see that Thailand is heading towards becoming a republic, or should do so. However, in the next constitution, I do feel that a few clauses should be included, and the fact that it is not a republic will not prevent this: e.g. that the judiciary shall be independent, impartial & fully accountable to the people; that every person is equal under the law; that the military is for the protection of the people from external threats, & may not be turned against them, & is accountable to the people for its acts in all cases; that the government is for the service of the people, & will strive to work for the betterment & free & equal access to opportunity of every citizen, civil organisation & business, & will be fully accountable to the people; that the people shall have the unimpeded right to freedom of speech and the free exchange of ideas, except where it can be clearly shown…; etc.
BTW, the British Empire didn’t have citizens. It had subjects. There is quite a difference.
The quotes you’ve shown are fun. They are mostly skeptical witticisms which make us think about their implications & laugh at our puny efforts to engineer a perfect society. But they should not be taken as statements of truth.
May 13, 1969
Hai greg,
I have first hand experience of the racial riots, as I was brought up and was living in a Kampong, very close to Kuala Lumpur then. It is now part of Kuala Lumpur. I was also very very close to some special branch members. At that time (unlike now), the special branch concentrated on anti-insurgency work. Since the end of the “communist” problem, the branch has changed its emphasis to serious crimes and narcotics.
My family was informed of possible racial riots, a few hours before it happened. The main organiser was D’ Harun and it happened when it was shown that the DAP has won a majority in Selangor state. The whole thing was UMNO’s backup plan. Furthermore, UMNO also had a militant youth wing then – I believe they still have that wing now.
(People like Badawi etc were active leaders of that militant wing)
For the first few days, we were shielded from any attacks by our Malays neighbours, later this became untenable bcos, they came under pressure to “surrender” us. Our friends from special branch then moved us to a “safe” area.
Royal malay regiment soldiers were also involved with the killings, not just rioters. The police (who were pretty neutral then) finally sequested aid from Iban territorial army units to restore peace. (this part of the info came from the special branch officer who has since passed away)
Knowing that, I believe, it will always be a backup plan of UMNO to retain power at Federal level. Losing power in the states is a nuisance, but not fatal. The federation agreement and separation of powers between state and federal has long been ignored. There is also no institutionalised or formal agreement on the allocation of funds collected by the govt. This put all fiscal power in the hands of the federal govt.
Send your suggestions to Abhisit
Resign or call an election or both.
The challenge for Mr Abhisit…
Another challenge is to increase the number of people sentenced because they violated the curfew:
36 arrested in Bangkok for violating curfew Sunday night
Thirty-six people were arrested in Bangkok for violating the 11pm-4 am curfew Sunday night, raising to 511 the number of arrests since May 20, the Metropolitan Police Bureau announced Monday.
Pol Maj Gen Piya Uthayo, spokesman of the Metropolitan Police, said 511 people have been arrested for violating curfew intentionally or without justified causes since May 20.
They were sentenced to two months in jail and a fine of Bt2,000 each. But the jail term was suspended and they were put on probation for two years, Piya said.
The Nation 24 May 2010
May 13, 1969
Dear Greg,
I would be sticking my neck out saying I was on either side at the time, but I certainly was not going to shoot the Chinese Malays if we had gone to KL. Fortunately, even though trucks were parked on the regimental parade ground, the order to move didn’t come, and so we stayed at Terandak Barracks.
At the time nearly all prosperous businesses in KL were run by Chinese Malays who worked very hard. Their children were all sent, at great personal expense, to the best schools they could afford. Most of them spoke Malay, Chinese and English. I honestly don’t think that Malaya would be where it is today without the Chinese Malays.
Even at Terandak Barracks (a sprawling, far flung outpost in the middle of nowhere) the Chinese Malays and to a lesser extent the Indians, ran everything. “The Strip” (I think it was called that), 1/2 a mile outside the barracks was also run by Chinese Malays. If you needed to buy a car, motorbike, watch, radio or howsyourfather at reasonable prices, you would talk to your friendly bar owner. None of the Australians would go to the NAAFI (the British equivalent of ASCO Australian Services Canteen Organisation)) as the prices were exorbitant. You could go to any bar, ask the owner where you could buy a new car and 5 minutes later he would have a relatives name, address and phone number (normally in KL), where cars could be bought tax free and shipped back to Australia at the end of the tour of duty. Much the same as Singapore when we moved to Changi Barracks.
The Australian Army Archives should have all the warning orders, movement orders and briefing papers.
Good luck, there are still many unanswered questions about the riots and tensions still simmer.
Roger
On Bhumibolists and Royalists
While ASTV is permitted to keep spewing hatred, the opposition (which once upon a time won the last elections, a fact not attributable to 100% of vote buying), UDD websites and their TV channel were shut down.
Central World is fully insured. And as was to be expected, the rich mall owners will get compensation from losses due to protests.
Arson and terrorism = now it’s all clear and easy to understand. It’s Animal Farm time – again.
Handley published a paper on the Privy Council in 2008. apparently, certain powers wanted to extend lese majeste laws to council members, too. Way to go: extend the curfew for a year / extend the lese majeste punishments / make it official that no Thai can get a lese majeste pardon (unlike many foreigners) / adopt the PAd’s interpretation of “democracy” and never again look back or face an electorate disrupting politicking by voting “wrongly”.
The brainwashing begins at school level – and it’s all about the institution, not single personalities. Interestingly, Paul Handley’s banned book triggered a severe response by officialdom. But they failed to find a lot of fault with the facts. But then, it’s all about BELIFS and make-belief, isn’t it?
The challenge for Mr Abhisit…
We should wish him luck ? I don’t think so. After killing so many people and refusing to offer even the smallest compromise, he is not going to be able appease the red shirts with anything he offers them.
Money is not going to solve this problem as few populist offers to give people free electricity or cheap train tickets is hardly going to do the job. The only offer wanted is his resignation. Then the country can move on and start talking.
On Bhumibolists and Royalists
The author of the “On Bhumibolists and Royalists” is a Thai, educated in Thailand, and living and working in Thailand. For reasons that should be obvious, the author had to disguise his identity.
The author has no hatred of Thais or Thailand.
The author did not and does not condone violence or terrorism attributed to neither the yellow or red camps.
The distinction between Bhumibolists and Royalists predates the yellow/red color coding of Thai politics. There are Bhumibolists (who might or might not be Royalists) in both camps, and there are Royalists (who are not Bhumibolists) in both camps.
Video of Thailand on the Verge
I’m living in Thailand. Although I cannot speak Thai, I’ve been noticing a few things:
1.) the media is streamlined – cartoons in the yellow press and all.
2.) Taksin is the bogey man – but he was a $ billionaire before entering politics and contrary to all accusations, all the alledged acts of corruption amount to a comparatively low amount in the $ millions.
3.) Very convenient – the recent grab for his assets. Those who suffer from corrupt cops know how this goes – – -)
4.) Certain news items are NOT being fairly presented or commeted upon, e.g. the Electorate commission’s ruling on the ruling party’s $ 8 million contribution.
5.) Now consider a former elected PM’s ruling over a cooking show.
6.) When the King spoke, he was addressing the judges, not the warring society. Don’t hold your breath for a quick and fair and lawful ruling – the Electoral commission is demanding that Abhisit be banned from politics for 9 years and the ruling party be dissolved!
7.) There is a huge SIMPLIFICATION going on. Red = terrorists and arsonists and non Thai etc. A mob for rent, paid for by Taksin etc. But don’t forget, the results of the last elections are not reflecting 1005 vote buying on the part of the Reds.
8.) The government loves it – lese majeste laws (they wanted to include Privy Council members, too but that was criticised and then dropped) plus extreme censorship. Combined with weak journalists who do not ask any unpleasant questions like the $ 8 million violation and the call for his own resignation.
9.) All kinds of underhanded tricks are being prepared to handle the fact that in the next elections, Abhisit who lacks a public vote (his party won the last elections in 1992) is likely to not win the next elections. The answer? Just postpone them!!
10.) It is terrible, seeing how Red shirt leaders are being presented in a state of undress. If the Reds had won, I would oppose them parading Abhisit in his cell, scantily clad.
Those who live here know the double standards. A murderous road rage attack? Years in jail with no bail or able to keep the driving license? Trick question: who is the son of the Chief of Police? http://www.thaivisa.com
Where are forensic teams analyzing the ammunition found in the bodies? No investigation into the sniper killings? Some report that people cooking for the crowd in the temple were mowed down. Surely, one can tell whether the Army or some ragtag protesters used certain ammo?
Oh, after April 10th, I recall the Army spokesman’s claims that the soldiers “only fired into the air”.
It’s getting silly.
Go on, extend the curfew, hand out life on lese majeste offenses and someone please explain whether royal pardons are only for foreigners, or also obtained by Thais rotting in jail for free speech? Just asking, based on the king’s speech in which he asks to change the way the system works (my interpretation is criticism with lese majeste laws).
While I have no idea what the truth is, a lot of the stories put forth have too much spin for my liking.
What next for Thailand?
BB #54 thank you for your contribution
just like to add a couple of things:
– What next for Thailand’s education system?
often used as a patronising reason for dismissing country Thai peoples ability to understand democracy
to understand democracy needs primary school or less and ability to judge other people. democracy is so simple… the sophisticated people in Bangkok do not want to know… thats the only problem
they do not want to admit that even the lowliest person can judge
another person and recognise the environment they are living in… and thats all you need to be able to make up your mind who to vote for
the sophisticated people think that politics is complicated because it
is for them… they have all these complications about how to manage and increase their wealth and how to make sure that the mass of people around them dont get any share of it… and they are fat and lazy, they dont want to disturb the old successful patterns
democracy is horrible, every 3 or 4 years you might get a new government and have to make sure all your legal and illegal businesses and schemes dont get found out and spoilt by some new broom
– What next for the conflict in the southern-most provinces?
Without the military, the government, reds with Peu Thai, PAD, etc with
the police performing their normal moderating role in society will be
able to act like normal political rivals and develop democratic solutions.
As an aside I also believe the insurgency in the south of Thailand will
also subside since it is fuelled primarily by the same rule by the
military (“Bangkok elites”) that is inspiring the reds only more so
because the military in the south are exercising their violence, sadism
and illegal businesses at levels so far not permitted to them, except in
treating certain groups like refugees and “illegal migrant workers” in
the rest of the country.
Seems to me that Thai police usually try to act within their roles and would perform better, including in the south but the military interferes in major ways not only by intruding on the roles of the police but also of course its involvement in legal and illegal businesses and in political affairs.
May 13, 1969
Your right hrk,
This elite ethnic bargaining with UMNO as the guarantor of “stability” has clearly been breached – through its own actions especially after the departure of Mahathir and also with the opposition coalition looking more credible at providing stability.
Wonder if what is happening in Thailand may spill over in Malaysia – of course with alienated Malays leading the charge?
What next for Thailand?
Here is what I wrote to my friends abroad:
“Last week, we could neither open doors nor windows of our house, the smoke was so dense. We could hear bombs, gunshots and choppers flying around. I could even time that, all activities started at 5 a.m. Heavy frequency was from 9 p.m. until 2 a.m.
I took Eins and Arc to dine with my American friend and a foreign journalist on Sathorn-Suan Plu area last Friday night. We all experienced bombing and shooting in front of the place we were, and directly encountered with the mob mobilized on the way back home.
Now, some of my tenants decided to move out from an estate that they had signed for a long term rent – of course, I had to waive the penalty, and I have to repair and renovate two other properties. It is a real loss of income, and “out-of-pocket” expenses for me.
Are we annoyed, angry at the UDD?
NOT AT ALL.
Aimy, the youngest, was a bit afraid. But I explained to her and to her brother and sisters about the cause. Oeil, the third, is cooler. All kids are now brainwashed.
We all empathize to the UDD.
I personally went into the mob and talked with those villagers “ban nok”. I contributed money to several “groups” there, and still render support whatever I can to them.
Why?
I rallied openly against Thaksin in 2005-06.
But the efforts of “the power that be” put to quell UDD down, has destroyed the country more than what Thaksin could have done himself.
I never think this incident would be like October 1973 or May 1992 – act & stop. Rather, it would be closer to October 1976 – let the blood flow. “There is no mercy for those who pose threat or show disrespect”, then license to kill was granted. That was why I openly alerted for international intervention before the massacre took place.
I may be hypnotized by all foreign clips, articles, and media that I have gone through.
The future of Thailand can be anything but safe.”
Thai style democracy?
“A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have.”
– attributed to Gerald Ford/Barry Goldwater/Thomas Jefferson
The challenge for Mr Abhisit…
It may be better option if the military comes in to neutralize the stalemate. The longer Aphisit clings on to power, the deeper the conflict. Using snipers killing its own citizens for wanting democracy is beyond any baseline. With Aphisit, the country would only move toward underground arms struggle. It’s time Aphisit should go so that the country still has the chance of healing.
What next for Thailand?
– What next for the Thai military?
A: The soldiers who killed the red-shirt will get promoted. Thai people (especially Bangkok people) admire and respect them because they can kill the “terrorism” away. (Bangkok people and some elites hate red-shirt from Thai media-bias influence and the red-shirts disrupt their shopping paradise in Bangkok.)
– What next for Thailand’s education system?
A: In Thai history subject, will record the red-shirt as terrorism.
– What next for the families of those who have been killed and injured in recent political violence?
A: Sad, angry, upset, loose of faith in Democracy system in Thailand. Some of them will try to revenge. Some of them do not want to be “Thai” people anymore. They have the bomb in their mind and waiting for the time to explode. The bomb of feeling injustice.
– What next for the Thai police?
A:Maybe labelled by Thai media as nonprofessional, red-shirt support, etc.
What next for memories of political violence and social conflict?
A: Thailand will be deeply divide. If there is no justice in the country, there would be no peace.
Red-shirt and the one who feel the injustice cannot stay calm anymore, they will want to stand up and fight. Fight does not mean with weapons, but with their mind, they will try to find the way to bring back their justice.
The situation here in Bangkok. some people thinks this is the end… instead this is the beginning.
What next for Thai youth?
A: Many Thai youth have been taught to dare to declare their opinions, but they have never been taught to respect opinions of other people that think different from them. And also they have never been taught to use reason and evidence to support theit opinions instead of using emotional intention.
What next for Thai foreign policy?
A: Find Thaksin, discredit Thaksin, label him as terrorist and try to make him cannot go to any country in the world and do not pay attention about Thai import-export because Thaksin is the first priority.
What next for the conflict in the southern-most provinces?
A: Still remains. The current government do not pay much attention to this problem. Maybe because they spend time trying to build up their credit instead and they may not be capable enough to handle southern-most provinces problem.
What next for the Centre for the Resolution of Emergency Situations?
A: Surely get promoted.
What next for the Thai parliamentary system?
A: The “system” in Thailand cannot operate because the current government try to destroy anything that is the system and replace with the organization they build to be above the democratic system such as Centre for the Resolution of Emergency Situations, they have too much power to controy any system in Thailand.
What next for the Thai media?
A: Still biased, label the red-shirts and Thaksin. Build credit to current government and military and Centre for the Resolution of Emergency Situations. Thai media will still lead and teach Thai people to hate the red-shirt and do not open mind for different opinions.
The challenge for Mr Abhisit…
Wishing luck on a no-win gamble would mean stupidity. Even if you wish to see Thailand peaceful, this plan of ‘to crack down on Red Shirt leaders while promising to address economic inequalities’ is Abhisit’s double speak at work.
The Reds has no reason to believe this Con-man from Eton, nor did he gave them any. Those who return home will bring their own accounts to Red territory, where the population’s anger awaits. More curfews and crackdowns will heal this rift? Sort of like a whip will heal a wound.
No sane man will bet on Abhisit curing Thailand’s plight. And if you do find one, check his drink. In case the country spirals further, and you need it yourself!
What next for Thailand?
Steve Wilson #51
of course “even” gareth evans was guilty of pandering to international (US) pressure when he supported the Khmer Rouge…
meanwhile Alex Downer (of all people) has spoken out for democratic forces in Thailand so perhaps Aust parliament MPs do have some regard for democratic principles and Alex is reflecting these whereas Stephen Smith as the FM has a “broader picture” to consider.
I assume the “broader picture” is the US alliance, particularly the
military and intelligence (spooks) alliance.
The US military and spooks have deep links into Thailand, from Vietnam, Laos and Cambodian War days (ooopppss was there a Laos War and who supported the Khmer Rouge?) and now secret renditions for the valuable political tool called the War on Terror admitted in the US but still denied in Thailand.
So Stephen Smith no doubt has been advised by his Canberra desk spooks to support the Thai military and their puppet government, and like a good little intelligence community servant has done their bidding.
I wonder if Stephen has an opportunity to realise that the ideals of
democracy are actually an even bigger picture than the evil machinations of the military forces of the world and Barack Obama might value Stephens support in loosening the US military grip on Thailand and other similar situations in so many other countries.
I just note for the record that the best way to forecast future “trouble
spots” is to identify where the US is interfering now (blowback). So,
Australia and Thailand beware!
Commentary on roots of the Thai crisis
No more comments from me. I want to withdraw coz I’m sick of people thought they know a lot about what’s happening but they actually don’t. Maybe this news article from a local Thai newspaper might help open up your blue eyes a little bit. Names and VDO clips are the evidence that this is not a made up story. Sorry only available in Thai, if you can read.
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р╕лр╕ер╕▒р╕Зр╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕бр╕╡р╣Ар╕кр╕╡р╕вр╕Зр╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕Ир╕Хр╕╕р╕Юр╕г р╕гр╕░р╕Ър╕╕р╕зр╣Ир╕▓ “р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Юр╕╡р╣Ир╕Щр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Фр╕Зр╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Ир╕▒р╕Зр╕лр╕зр╕▒р╕Фр╣Др╕Ыр╕гр╕зр╕бр╕Бр╕▒р╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕ир╕▓р╕ер╕Бр╕ер╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕гр╕нр╣Ар╕зр╕ер╕▓ р╕Яр╕▒р╕Зр╕кр╕▒р╕Нр╕Нр╕▓р╕Ур╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Щр╕╡р╣И р╕Ир╕нр╕бр╕╖р╕Фр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╣Др╕гр╣Бр╕кр╕Фр╕Зр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕кр╣Ир╕Зр╕кр╕▒р╕Нр╕Нр╕▓р╕Ур╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕Ър╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕з р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Юр╕╡р╣Ир╕Щр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Хр╕▒р╕Фр╕кр╕┤р╕Щр╣Гр╕Ир╕Чр╕▒р╕Щр╕Чр╕╡”
р╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Др╕ер╕┤р╕Ыр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕нр╕гр╕┤р╕кр╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕Хр╣М р╕Юр╕Зр╕йр╣Мр╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╕нр╕Зр╕гр╕нр╕З р╣Бр╕Бр╕Щр╕Щр╕│р╕Бр╕ер╕╕р╣Ир╕бр╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Фр╕З р╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕ир╕гр╕▒р╕вр╕Ър╕Щр╣Ар╕зр╕Чр╕╡р╕зр╣Ир╕▓ “р╕Цр╣Йр╕▓р╕гр╕╣р╣Йр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╕Ир╕░р╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕Ър╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕б р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Бр╕ер╕╕р╣Ир╕бр╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕Кр╕╕р╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕бр╕Щр╕│р╕Вр╕зр╕Фр╣Бр╕Бр╣Йр╕зр╕бр╕▓р╕Др╕Щр╕ер╕░р╣Гр╕Ъ р╕Ър╕гр╕гр╕Ир╕╕р╕Щр╣Йр╕│р╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╣Др╕Фр╣Й 75 р╕Лр╕╡р╕Лр╕╡р╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕н 1 р╕ер╕┤р╕Хр╕г р╕лр╕▓р╕Бр╣Гр╕Щр╕Бр╕гр╕╕р╕Зр╣Ар╕Чр╕Юр╕бр╕╡р╕Щр╣Йр╕│р╕бр╕▒р╕Щ 1 р╕ер╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╕ер╕┤р╕Хр╕гр╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╕гр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕гр╕╕р╕Зр╣Ар╕Чр╕Ю р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Чр╕░р╣Ар╕ер╣Ар╕Юр╕ер╕┤р╕Зр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Бр╕Щр╣Ир╕Щр╕нр╕Щ р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╕кр╕╣р╣Йр╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Фр╕Зр╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Чр╕│р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╣Бр╕Ър╕Ър╕Щр╕╡р╣Й р╕нр╕вр╕▓р╕Бр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Чр╕лр╕▓р╕гр╕гр╕╣р╣Йр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕лр╕▓р╕Бр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕бр╕▓р╕Чр╕│р╕ер╕▓р╕вр╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Фр╕З р╣Бр╕бр╣Йр╣Ар╕ер╕╖р╕нр╕Фр╕нр╕нр╕Бр╣Бр╕бр╣Йр╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕лр╕вр╕Фр╣Ар╕Фр╕╡р╕вр╕зр╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕вр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Бр╕гр╕╕р╕Зр╣Ар╕Чр╕Юр╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Чр╕░р╣Ар╕ер╣Ар╕Юр╕ер╕┤р╕Зр╕Чр╕▒р╕Щр╕Чр╕╡ р╣Гр╕Щр╕кр╣Ир╕зр╕Щр╕Хр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Ир╕▒р╕Зр╕лр╕зр╕▒р╕Ф р╕лр╕▓р╕Бр╕бр╕╡р╕нр╕░р╣Др╕гр╣Ар╕Бр╕┤р╕Фр╕Вр╕╢р╣Йр╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Бр╕гр╕╕р╕Зр╣Ар╕Чр╕Ю р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╣Др╕Ыр╕гр╕нр╕ир╕▓р╕ер╕▓р╕Бр╕ер╕▓р╕Зр╕Ир╕▒р╕Зр╕лр╕зр╕▒р╕Фр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕гр╕нр╣Ар╕Зр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Щр╣Др╕В р╕Ир╕▒р╕Фр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕гр╕▓р╕Ър╕Юр╕Ур╕▓р╕кр╕╣р╕Н”
р╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╕бр╕▓р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Др╕ер╕┤р╕Ыр╕ар╕▓р╕Юр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕ир╕гр╕▒р╕вр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕зр╕╡р╕гр╕░ р╕бр╕╕р╕кр╕┤р╕Бр╕Юр╕Зр╕ир╣М р╣Бр╕Бр╕Щр╕Щр╕│р╕Бр╕ер╕╕р╣Ир╕бр╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Фр╕Зр╕гр╕░р╕Ър╕╕р╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕кр╕╣р╣Йр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Чр╕лр╕▓р╕гр╣Вр╕Фр╕вр╣Гр╕Кр╣Йр╕вр╕╕р╕Чр╕Шр╕┤р╕зр╕┤р╕Шр╕╡р╣Бр╕Ър╕Ър╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╕Ир╕░р╕Чр╕│р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Др╕Щр╕нр╕╖р╣Ир╕Щр╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╕Бр╕ер╕▒р╕з р╕Др╕┤р╕Фр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕вр╕╕р╕Чр╕Шр╕зр╕┤р╕Шр╕╡р╣Бр╕Ър╕Ър╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╕Ир╕░р╕Чр╕│р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╣Бр╕Хр╕Бр╕Йр╕▓р╕Щ р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Вр╕нр╕Ър╕нр╕Бр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕гр╕╣р╣Йр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╣Др╕Яр╕Ир╕░р╕ер╕╕р╕Бр╕Чр╣Ир╕зр╕бр╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Хр╕▓р╕гр╕▓р╕Зр╕Щр╕┤р╣Йр╕зр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╣Др╕Чр╕в
р╕кр╣Ир╕зр╕Щр╕Др╕ер╕┤р╕Ыр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕Ур╕▒р╕Рр╕зр╕╕р╕Тр╕┤ р╣Гр╕кр╕вр╣Ар╕Бр╕╖р╣Йр╕н р╣Бр╕Бр╕Щр╕Щр╕│р╕Бр╕ер╕╕р╣Ир╕бр╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Фр╕З р╕гр╕░р╕Ър╕╕р╕зр╣Ир╕▓ “р╕Цр╣Йр╕▓р╕Др╕╕р╕Ур╕вр╕╢р╕Фр╕нр╕│р╕Щр╕▓р╕Ир╕Ьр╕бр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╣Ар╕Ьр╕▓р╕Чр╕▒р╣Ир╕зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕и р╣Ар╕Ьр╕▓р╣Др╕Ыр╣Ар╕ер╕вр╕Юр╕╡р╣Ир╕Щр╣Йр╕нр╕З р╕Ьр╕бр╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╕Ьр╕┤р╕Фр╕Кр╕нр╕Ър╣Ар╕нр╕З р╕Цр╣Йр╕▓р╣Гр╕Др╕гр╕Ир╕░р╕Ир╕▒р╕Ър╕бр╕▓р╣Ар╕нр╕▓р╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Ьр╕б р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Ьр╕бр╕Ър╕нр╕Бр╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Фр╕Зр╕Вр╕╡р╣Йр╕Хр╕Бр╣Гр╕Ир╕лр╕▓р╕Бр╕вр╕┤р╕Зр╕Хр╕╣р╕б р╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Фр╕Зр╕Ир╕░р╕зр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╣Ар╕Бр╕кр╕г р╕Юр╕▓р╕гр╕▓р╕Бр╕нр╕Щ р╕зр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╣Вр╕гр╕Зр╣Бр╕гр╕б р╣Бр╕Щр╕зр╣Вр╕Щр╣Йр╕бр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Хр╕Бр╣Гр╕Ир╕бр╕╡р╕лр╕ер╕▓р╕вр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Бр╕▓р╕г р╕Ър╕▓р╕Зр╕Др╕Щр╕Хр╕Бр╣Гр╕Ир╕зр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╕лр╕▓р╕Бр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Лр╕▓р╣Бр╕Ър╕гр╕Щр╕Фр╣Мр╣Ар╕Щр╕б р╕Ър╕▓р╕Зр╕Др╕Щр╕Хр╕Бр╣Гр╕Ир╕Кр╕нр╕Ър╕зр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╣Др╕Ыр╕лр╕▓р╣Ар╕Др╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Фр╕▒р╕Ъ р╕Чр╕нр╕З р╣Ар╕Юр╕Кр╕г р╕Ър╕▓р╕Зр╕Др╕Щр╕Хр╕Бр╣Гр╕Ир╕Кр╕нр╕Ър╕Вр╕▒р╕Ър╕гр╕Цр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╣Др╕Ыр╣Гр╕Щр╕лр╣Йр╕▓р╕З р╕Ър╕▓р╕Зр╕Др╕Щр╕Хр╕Бр╣Гр╕Ир╕Ир╕╕р╕Фр╣Др╕Яр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕бр╕▓р╕Бр╣Зр╕бр╕╡”
р╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕бр╕╡р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Ыр╕┤р╕Фр╕Др╕ер╕┤р╕Ыр╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕Ир╕Хр╕╕р╕Юр╕г р╕Юр╕гр╕лр╕бр╕Юр╕▒р╕Щр╕Шр╣М р╣Бр╕Бр╕Щр╕Щр╕│р╕Бр╕ер╕╕р╣Ир╕бр╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Фр╕З р╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕ир╕гр╕▒р╕вр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ “р╕Др╕╕р╕Ур╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕бр╕▓р╕Ър╕нр╕Бр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕кр╕Цр╕▓р╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕кр╕│р╕Др╕▒р╕Нр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╣Др╕Ыр╕Бр╣Ир╕нр╕зр╕┤р╕Щр╕▓р╕ир╕Бр╕гр╕гр╕б р╕Др╕╕р╕Ур╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╣Др╕Ыр╕Бр╕╕р╕Вр╣Ир╕▓р╕зр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕кр╕Цр╕▓р╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Щр╕кр╕Цр╕▓р╕Щр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕бр╕╕р╕кр╕ер╕┤р╕б р╣Вр╕гр╕Зр╕Юр╕вр╕▓р╕Ър╕▓р╕е р╕Цр╕Щр╕Щр╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕зр╕┤р╕Цр╕╡ р╕кр╕░р╕Юр╕▓р╕Щр╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕бр╣Бр╕бр╣Ир╕Щр╣Йр╕│ р╣Вр╕гр╕Зр╕Юр╕вр╕▓р╕Ър╕▓р╕ер╕ир╕┤р╕гр╕┤р╕гр╕▓р╕К р╕Чр╕│р╣Ар╕Щр╕╡р╕вр╕Ъ р╕кр╕Щр╕▓р╕бр╕Ър╕┤р╕Щ р╕Шр╕Щр╕▓р╕Др╕▓р╕гр╣Бр╕лр╣Ир╕Зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕и р╕ир╕▓р╕ер╕вр╕╕р╕Хр╕┤р╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕б р╕нр╕Зр╕Др╣Мр╕Бр╕гр╕нр╕┤р╕кр╕гр╕░ р╕Др╕╕р╕Ур╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Ър╕нр╕Б р╕лр╕▓р╕Бр╕Др╕╕р╕Ур╣Гр╕Кр╣Йр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕гр╕╕р╕Щр╣Бр╕гр╕Зр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Фр╕З р╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╕гр╕нр╕Зр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕кр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Др╕╕р╕Ур╕Юр╕╣р╕Фр╕Ир╕░р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕бр╕╡р╣Ар╕лр╕ер╕╖р╕нр╕нр╕вр╕╣р╣Ир╣Гр╕Щр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╣Др╕Чр╕вр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Бр╕Щр╣Ир╕Щр╕нр╕Щ р╕зр╕▒р╕Щр╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╕Ир╕░р╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╕кр╕╣р╣Йр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕кр╕╕р╕Фр╕Чр╣Йр╕▓р╕в р╕лр╕▓р╕Бр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Кр╕Щр╕░ р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Йр╕▓р╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕вр╕Др╕╖р╕нр╕Др╕╕р╕Бр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Хр╕▓р╕вр╣Ар╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╣Ар╕Фр╕┤р╕бр╕Чр╕╡р╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Фр╕Зр╕бр╕╡р╣Бр╕Др╣Ир╕Юр╕гр╕гр╕Др╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕З р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕бр╕зр╕ер╕Кр╕Щ р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕зр╕▒р╕Щр╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╣Бр╕Бр╣Йр╕зр╕нр╕╡р╕Бр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕З р╕Др╕╖р╕н р╕Бр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕│р╕ер╕▒р╕Зр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Чр╕гр╕▓р╕Ър╕Эр╣Ир╕▓р╕вр╕Юр╕гр╣Йр╕нр╕бр╕Ыр╕Бр╕Ыр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Фр╕З”
What next for Thailand?
I found one interesting article. Please read with your heart open. Best after meditation for the healing of Thailand 🙂
http://www.eturbonews.com/16286/thaksin-same-league-laden-and-responsible-terror-attacks-thailan