Prem and the Palace are making Thailand a North Korea military State by erecting huge propaganda pictures everywhere, closing down quality websites i.e. Prachatai, eliminating soldiers who support democracy, using PAD mob to advance its political agenda. Today, PAD announces that 7 days from today, they themselves will use force against the Red Shirts.
The main reason Prem and the Palace refuse to dissolve the Parliament now because they intend to further remove soldiers who support democracy from key positions in the military. That’s why they want to wait until after September. Last year, they had already done that but they want to further root it out democratic soldiers completely. The deportation of Hmong to Laos was the example of how Prem and the Palace made sure that General Panlop won’t have any available means.
In order to avoid bloodshed, it’s important to freeze Prem, the Palace and PAD. I do agree with David Brown’s comment (#2) that this requires pro-democracy coup, otherwise huge numbers of the Red Shirts will be killed.
Thai King is American born, raised and educated in USA and in Switzerland. Thai PM is British born , raised and educated in UK.
Both Thai King American and Thai PM British go screwing Thai nationalist leading 24 dead and 858 injured plus go screwing Cambodia Preah Vihear Temple at the border leading 3 clashes causing dead and injured for both nation and no one heard a word from USA & UK.
I’m so glad to see ABC Foreign Correspondent dare to speak up the truth. Please don’t let this Thai nation military rule go screwing the world!!!
If you read carefully, I was not saying the reds have won — they are only leading 4-0 in this soccer-analogy game. But the reds’ opponents are tricky people who are bad losers. They would do anything to win, including beating up the other side’s players and burning the stadium (of course this is also an analogy, meaning they don’t mind bloodbath a la Tien An Men square as long as they can win).
Abhisit/Sutehp team is very very scared of the reds’ TV especially because the reds have many personal video recordings of what happened on the 10th. One copy I managed to get hold of shows a red guy holding a flag standing in the street with other friends and suddenly he fell down with blood oozing out of his head. The military’s sniper fire for sure.
The reemergence of the yellow shirts who use different labels should be seen as a prelude to another coup, similar to 19 September 2006, under the pretext of preventing clashes between opposing groups.
Long live the King is actually half British half Australian but did undertake some education in Thailand.
One more issue:
Did showing the video violate any privacy laws? If someone illegally fimed footage of your wife in your house in the Uk there could certainly be a case against a national broadcaster for airing on national television. The case could be made in virtue of reformed privacy laws.
Certainly the embassy was right to call it shameless tabloid journalism – the video screening at least.
Most of the responses to the initial post seems to attack by prioritizing an appeal to rationalism over an appeal to the sacral. Most post-colonial scholars will tell you that such a prioritization is imperialistic.
In terms of lesse majeste and anti terror legislation – yes you can openly criticize anti terror legislation – but no – you cannot preach jihad on the streets of Sydney or call for violent attacks on Australian Institutions in Public – NO YOU ARE NOT FREE TO DO THAT I AM AFRAID. In Thailand you are not free to verbally or in any other way attack the King. Everybody knows that.
A ‘Thai elite’ is some Thai or any Thai, who is not a villager, who is not poor, who is educated, who probably lives in the city but not necessarily so, and most importantly, who opposes Thaksin Shinawatra and his bunch of incoherent Reds movement.
Check with Andrew Walker . . . I don’t think he’ll find any fault with this definition.
It is a big waste of time – – an academic seminar in an unknown Australian university, of all places, by unknown PhDs, MERELY to guess how the ongoing Thai chaos will sort itself out, sooner but perhaps much much later.
What on earth for? Just what iota of intelligence can these Aussie self-proclaimed experts on Thai issues provide the world . . . or more importantly the Thai people currently scared out of their wits on the ‘colored’ chaos swirling around them?
Other than to keep on propagating their (Walker and Farrelly) bias to their own rah-rah-rah crowd of foreign reds . . . this seminar will be a big bore.
” . . . sooner or later it (use of overwhelming force) would have come to this anyway . . .”, wisely said by MediaWar.
But don’t you be blaming PM Abhisit government for any deadly consequences . . . because PM Abhisit had been very patient . . . PM Abhisit had been very open to negotiations . . . and PM Abhisit had proposed a rational way out towards a possible long-term solution to the current political ‘colored’ gridlock.
Any movement, and that includes the Red movement, that calls for ‘burning down the system’ with incoherent calls for ‘putting up their own contrived pro-masses system’ deserve to be put down and put down hard.
Can you give us an emergency email address to contact you when events like this occur? From inside Thailand, the interruption of your service looked no different than what happens when the MICT asks the ISP to block a website, as they have done with prachatai.org. The event, combined with other worrying news, had me seriously thinking about packing my bags and getting out.
I fear brother Abhisit’s spineless glove-puppet behaviour is creating a measure of notoriety and infamy for him. There is no doubt in my mind that he (perhaps alongside brother Anupong) is being set up as the bad guy.
The true awfulness of Prem and the Palace are being made very apparent as we speak, and it hasn’t gone un-noticed by people out there in Thailand – they are not as stupid today as the amart have tried to keep them. Every day more people wake up from the 64-year propagandised dream to a propagandised reality that is in fact a nightmare.
The advantage of watching from outside the goldfish bowl is that one has a better and more objective perspective. As far as can be seen, the Monarchy is self-destructing as we watch from afar. The fact that they do not see this shows how much they need to be more objective, the inside of the goldfish bowl appears to be chock full of self-importance, contempt for the ‘little’ people and… self-delusion.
Prem is busy writing himself an epitaph saying “A mean-spirited man who waited too long to die”.
we woke early this morning and panicked because the internet feed of TV from the protest site had failed
fortunately, we managed to bring it up again and all is well… for now at least
the redshirts are still unarmed and defenceless, sitting peacefully relying on their numbers to deter attacks by the heavily armoured and weaponed soldiers
more redshirts are arriving from the country. there are reports of them being stopped at checkpoints but amazingly they seem to be getting through… must be too many sympathisers in the police and military to seal them out.
its amazing really…
the yellows (pinks, no colors, etc) seem to be funded/aligned with the palace/privy council/military/big business so the police and military provide logistics support and cannot/will not suppress them
the redshirts have the privy council/military/big business against them and have to self-fund but the lower ranks and even some higher ranks support them so the police and military commanders cannot effectively execute arrests and attacks
if the redshirts can maintain their numbers they can continue to resist
but for them to win I think only a mutiny within the army will enable this… in effect a pro-democracy coup will be required to force the elites and their PAD supporters to agree to elections and installation of a democratic government
The Abhisit Government have committed the greatest les majeste against the King.
When they allowed their criminal supporters to wear his colours this act of total disrespect removed him from a position of political neutrality.
Should the Thai monarchy fail in the next generation it will be no fault of Thaksin or the Red Shirts.
jothestrong – Your response is so typical of the usual mindless, brainwashed mantra we’ve come to expect from the Thai. You need to learn to take criticism if your country is ever to achieve democracy. Lashing out with the usual “foreigners don’t know Thailand; foreigners need to mind their own business” nonsense just doesn’t hold any water. Thailand’s cruel and unjust treatment of its poor will come under increasing scrutiny and condemnation by the international community. Please offer a reasoned argument as to why is shouldn’t. And spare me the brainwashed “Religion, King, State” nonsense.
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Ominous signs
Prem and the Palace are making Thailand a North Korea military State by erecting huge propaganda pictures everywhere, closing down quality websites i.e. Prachatai, eliminating soldiers who support democracy, using PAD mob to advance its political agenda. Today, PAD announces that 7 days from today, they themselves will use force against the Red Shirts.
The main reason Prem and the Palace refuse to dissolve the Parliament now because they intend to further remove soldiers who support democracy from key positions in the military. That’s why they want to wait until after September. Last year, they had already done that but they want to further root it out democratic soldiers completely. The deportation of Hmong to Laos was the example of how Prem and the Palace made sure that General Panlop won’t have any available means.
In order to avoid bloodshed, it’s important to freeze Prem, the Palace and PAD. I do agree with David Brown’s comment (#2) that this requires pro-democracy coup, otherwise huge numbers of the Red Shirts will be killed.
ABC TV on Thai politics
Good work ABC Foreign Correspondent!!!
Thai King is American born, raised and educated in USA and in Switzerland. Thai PM is British born , raised and educated in UK.
Both Thai King American and Thai PM British go screwing Thai nationalist leading 24 dead and 858 injured plus go screwing Cambodia Preah Vihear Temple at the border leading 3 clashes causing dead and injured for both nation and no one heard a word from USA & UK.
I’m so glad to see ABC Foreign Correspondent dare to speak up the truth. Please don’t let this Thai nation military rule go screwing the world!!!
Thailand on the verge
Chris #9,
If you read carefully, I was not saying the reds have won — they are only leading 4-0 in this soccer-analogy game. But the reds’ opponents are tricky people who are bad losers. They would do anything to win, including beating up the other side’s players and burning the stadium (of course this is also an analogy, meaning they don’t mind bloodbath a la Tien An Men square as long as they can win).
Abhisit/Sutehp team is very very scared of the reds’ TV especially because the reds have many personal video recordings of what happened on the 10th. One copy I managed to get hold of shows a red guy holding a flag standing in the street with other friends and suddenly he fell down with blood oozing out of his head. The military’s sniper fire for sure.
The reemergence of the yellow shirts who use different labels should be seen as a prelude to another coup, similar to 19 September 2006, under the pretext of preventing clashes between opposing groups.
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
Long live the King is actually half British half Australian but did undertake some education in Thailand.
One more issue:
Did showing the video violate any privacy laws? If someone illegally fimed footage of your wife in your house in the Uk there could certainly be a case against a national broadcaster for airing on national television. The case could be made in virtue of reformed privacy laws.
Certainly the embassy was right to call it shameless tabloid journalism – the video screening at least.
Most of the responses to the initial post seems to attack by prioritizing an appeal to rationalism over an appeal to the sacral. Most post-colonial scholars will tell you that such a prioritization is imperialistic.
In terms of lesse majeste and anti terror legislation – yes you can openly criticize anti terror legislation – but no – you cannot preach jihad on the streets of Sydney or call for violent attacks on Australian Institutions in Public – NO YOU ARE NOT FREE TO DO THAT I AM AFRAID. In Thailand you are not free to verbally or in any other way attack the King. Everybody knows that.
Looking forward to Wednesday!
What next?
Vichai: When in uniform, please use your ‘Colonel Jeru’ persona/name tag.
Statement by students and academics at ANU
Dear Ed,
A ‘Thai elite’ is some Thai or any Thai, who is not a villager, who is not poor, who is educated, who probably lives in the city but not necessarily so, and most importantly, who opposes Thaksin Shinawatra and his bunch of incoherent Reds movement.
Check with Andrew Walker . . . I don’t think he’ll find any fault with this definition.
Thailand on the verge
It is a big waste of time – – an academic seminar in an unknown Australian university, of all places, by unknown PhDs, MERELY to guess how the ongoing Thai chaos will sort itself out, sooner but perhaps much much later.
What on earth for? Just what iota of intelligence can these Aussie self-proclaimed experts on Thai issues provide the world . . . or more importantly the Thai people currently scared out of their wits on the ‘colored’ chaos swirling around them?
Other than to keep on propagating their (Walker and Farrelly) bias to their own rah-rah-rah crowd of foreign reds . . . this seminar will be a big bore.
What next?
” . . . sooner or later it (use of overwhelming force) would have come to this anyway . . .”, wisely said by MediaWar.
But don’t you be blaming PM Abhisit government for any deadly consequences . . . because PM Abhisit had been very patient . . . PM Abhisit had been very open to negotiations . . . and PM Abhisit had proposed a rational way out towards a possible long-term solution to the current political ‘colored’ gridlock.
Any movement, and that includes the Red movement, that calls for ‘burning down the system’ with incoherent calls for ‘putting up their own contrived pro-masses system’ deserve to be put down and put down hard.
Ominous signs
It’s a shame that these sort of things are still going on in this day and age! When will we learn?
Regards, Daniel
ABC TV on Thai politics
jothestrong – 64
What do you mean by ”pushing us even closer towards China”?
Is there something you should be telling the ‘free people of free Thailand?’
NM back!
Can you give us an emergency email address to contact you when events like this occur? From inside Thailand, the interruption of your service looked no different than what happens when the MICT asks the ISP to block a website, as they have done with prachatai.org. The event, combined with other worrying news, had me seriously thinking about packing my bags and getting out.
Ominous signs
I fear brother Abhisit’s spineless glove-puppet behaviour is creating a measure of notoriety and infamy for him. There is no doubt in my mind that he (perhaps alongside brother Anupong) is being set up as the bad guy.
The true awfulness of Prem and the Palace are being made very apparent as we speak, and it hasn’t gone un-noticed by people out there in Thailand – they are not as stupid today as the amart have tried to keep them. Every day more people wake up from the 64-year propagandised dream to a propagandised reality that is in fact a nightmare.
The advantage of watching from outside the goldfish bowl is that one has a better and more objective perspective. As far as can be seen, the Monarchy is self-destructing as we watch from afar. The fact that they do not see this shows how much they need to be more objective, the inside of the goldfish bowl appears to be chock full of self-importance, contempt for the ‘little’ people and… self-delusion.
Prem is busy writing himself an epitaph saying “A mean-spirited man who waited too long to die”.
ABC TV on Thai politics
ABC television, this time, you’ve gone too far. That’s all I can say.
In political context, you might succeed in pushing us even closer towards China.
An open letter to the Thai media
Les Abbey – 11
So now is Abhisit doing any better???
Ominous signs
we woke early this morning and panicked because the internet feed of TV from the protest site had failed
fortunately, we managed to bring it up again and all is well… for now at least
the redshirts are still unarmed and defenceless, sitting peacefully relying on their numbers to deter attacks by the heavily armoured and weaponed soldiers
more redshirts are arriving from the country. there are reports of them being stopped at checkpoints but amazingly they seem to be getting through… must be too many sympathisers in the police and military to seal them out.
its amazing really…
the yellows (pinks, no colors, etc) seem to be funded/aligned with the palace/privy council/military/big business so the police and military provide logistics support and cannot/will not suppress them
the redshirts have the privy council/military/big business against them and have to self-fund but the lower ranks and even some higher ranks support them so the police and military commanders cannot effectively execute arrests and attacks
if the redshirts can maintain their numbers they can continue to resist
but for them to win I think only a mutiny within the army will enable this… in effect a pro-democracy coup will be required to force the elites and their PAD supporters to agree to elections and installation of a democratic government
ABC TV on Thai politics
The Abhisit Government have committed the greatest les majeste against the King.
When they allowed their criminal supporters to wear his colours this act of total disrespect removed him from a position of political neutrality.
Should the Thai monarchy fail in the next generation it will be no fault of Thaksin or the Red Shirts.
Ominous signs
This will be the start of the real civil war.
ABC TV on Thai politics
jothestrong
Please feel free to answer my questions posted at 59.
Furthermore, you mention in your most recent post (60) ”our weakness”, an interesting euphemism for 60 odd years of failed democracy.
Care to comment on that too?
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
StanG: where was the king in 1985? Why was he there? He’ll be dancing on the corpses this time around.
ABC TV on Thai politics
jothestrong – Your response is so typical of the usual mindless, brainwashed mantra we’ve come to expect from the Thai. You need to learn to take criticism if your country is ever to achieve democracy. Lashing out with the usual “foreigners don’t know Thailand; foreigners need to mind their own business” nonsense just doesn’t hold any water. Thailand’s cruel and unjust treatment of its poor will come under increasing scrutiny and condemnation by the international community. Please offer a reasoned argument as to why is shouldn’t. And spare me the brainwashed “Religion, King, State” nonsense.