Because there are handful of protesters/terrorists/forth-hands shooting at soldiers. It legitimately authorize soldiers to shoot back into mass of protesters for self-defense.
One eye witness report of the operation against the Red Shirts on April 10 [posted on http://weareallhuman.net/index.php?showtopic=46632%5D claims that the military played the King’s songs (р╣Ар╕Юр╕ер╕З “р╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╕┤р╕Юр╕Щр╕Шр╣М”) through loud-speakers while a helicopter dropped tear gas canisters onto the demonstrators.
Even from the govt-controlled tv which I watched yesterday, what I found funny was when the two police officers , who were supposed to arrest Arisman, finally sat at the same table with this guy, behind the UDD stage in Rajprasong, not at the police station !
The two poor officers were taken hostage by the reds from the hotel and taken to Rajprasong but they didn’t seem worried at all because they knew the reds always consider the police as allies. The reds know many police and their families are sympathetic to their cause.
securing the succession from Anupong to red-hater Prayuth in military command, due in the military reshuffle in August/Sept
there is a theory that Anupong has been brought in charge of the removal of the redshirts so that if he fails he can be sacked making way immediately for Prayuth
then only the budget would need to be passed
and the elites would be ready to handle elections if they need to be called
“Literally a lot of the comments on this site make me feel physically sick. It is not just the culturally colonial rational/liberal imperialism, but more starkly the hypocrisy.”
New Mandala-land is at the end of the rainbow, where there is a pot of gold and iron ore. The people down under that rainbow have a mystic attraction to the bright colors without seeing this wish-fulfilling pot has at the same time affected their decision-making abilities.
Eventually, Australia will become a part of Asia-Pacific and then they will teach longingly about the heroic past when Campbell and true patriots ruled.
Tiptop – because the unite insignia and the unite sign grafted on the tank that deployed with the unite, for example the picture that Nick took (the most recent one) you can see the sign said р╕Ю.2 р╕г.2 р╕гр╕н (Phor-2 Ror-2 RorOrr) which indicated that this tank is from the Ror-2 indicated that it is from the 2nd Regiment and Phor-2 indicated that it is of the 2nd Infantry division, the р╕гр╕н (RorOrr) is a short hand for р╕гр╕▒р╕Бр╕йр╕▓р╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕нр╕Зр╕Др╣Мр╣Гр╕Щр╕кр╕бр╣Ар╕Фр╣Зр╕Ир╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕Щр╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Ир╣Йр╕▓р╕кр╕┤р╕гр╕┤р╕Бр╕┤р╕Хр╕┤р╣М р╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕Ър╕гр╕бр╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕┤р╕Щр╕╡р╕Щр╕▓р╕Ц or Queen’s Guard.
Aussie alumnus – I’m not trying to defense Thaksin here, but I think you got the info in concessional fees all wrong, since to total sum paid to state (ministry of finance + TOT) remain the same, before AIS paid to TOT then TOT deduct any “Operational cost” and pass on to ministry of finance.
Anyway, just a question, by getting rid of Thaksin trough Coup Detat, how was that suppose to solve the problem Thailand has now???
Thanks ‘Long live the King’ for a perfect example of why the situation in Thailand is so hopeless.
Instead of attacking the messenger, why not try reflecting on your own misguided reverence for someone who has routinely approved military coups, sided with despots to reap mutual rewards, and allows those who merely question the role of the monarcy to be harassed & imprisoned for draconian jail terms?
We keep getting told how a certain person is ‘revered’ and ‘loved’, and how the people are ‘loyal’ etc etc
Well, as long as Thai’s hold billionaire monarch’s (or billionaire telco magnates) in reverence, and are prepared to do bad things to the name of protecting them, then the country will continue to be fcuked!
I think you’ll find a lot of people haven’t shut up about Stern Hu.
There’s no ‘all-guns blazing’, indeed, we are at pains to have a referendum on becoming a republic because of a good proportion of the population’s respect for the British monarchy.
Sure, the US has a problem with lobbying, but it being a problem is talked about openly.
If twenty-one people were just shot dead or beaten to death in street protests, I am inclined to presume the Australian public wouldn’t be vying to protect the monarchy and declaring it ‘above politics’ as a cultural inspiration before asking why.
What sort of role model for Thailand is the monarchy when it seems incapable of scrutiny, self-reflection and ‘letting go’? Seems to have projected itself onto Thai society rather nicely, wouldn’t you agree?
It is rather amusing conflating counter-terrorism and Lese Majeste. Not that I support counter-terrorism measures, or what my country does, but at least I am able to openly criticise them and it and I won’t be put in jail for eighteen years as a result. This, I feel, is more the point of the Eric Campbell’s report.
Long live the King, he doesn’t have much longer to go. What are you going to do?
The king, my friend, won’t be doing anything for very much longer. He won’t be reigning; he certainly won’t be protecting; and I doubt he’ll be doing much living in the foreseeable future either. You need to find another mindless slogan.
I think you’ll find ‘red supporters’ – or at least the relatively educated, and probably foreign, ones – are not that naive. Even the average prol in Isarn is marginally more awake to his outcast state than he was 50 years ago. If this trend of increasing awareness continues then the power of any one despot to abuse this ‘awakening’ for their own ends is more limited. But if the reds remain a bunch of easily led prols then I’m afraid your scenario is indeed a likely one – a swapping of one despotic regime for another. I hope what we’re seeing is something wider and deeper than that. I definitely find that the average Isarn worker these days is a lot angrier and a damn sight more aware of the reality than they were even a decade ago. This is a potential force that even Thaksin and his cronies will have trouble completely subduing. In the meantime the reds need his money. I don’t see it as a completely bad thing. I hope…
“they (the police) are now in the process of issuing the warrant for the case of occupying Government House. I have the police report regularly to me and I report to the parliament concerning the airport case. As of the last time, they reported to me a couple of weeks ago, 90 percent of the report was completed. So I expect the action to be taken very soon”.
Thanks for bringing this report back- Thailand’s 27th PM’s “words of promise” to me.
What would happen if every Thai person was given the right to see this documentary and make up their own mind? If the sentiments of the Thai state are so universally shared by the population then surely a truly genuine statement of comment should come from the people. Otherwise we must conclude that the government is simply afraid of admitting the obvious – that not all Thai people share the same point of view about the monarchy – shocking as that may seem to the truly blind followers.
OctoberGuy#14 – I don’t think this is going to be 1973 all over again.
For at least 2 reasons :
1) Thai society and state are now far more divided than in 1973 :
in 1973 there were no “masked gunmen” firing back on troops with anything like the force which happened last Saturday.
2) it’s not only a very different Thai society now – but a vastly different world.
i want to thank ABC and this company for standing up to the bullying that the Thai king has done for so long.
it is not a joke when real people are sent to jail, including non-thai folk.
lese majiste laws are form the dark ages, and GOOD ON YOU ABC for standing up to it, despite the thai elites waving their arms in the air.
the little king crushes dissent. people dont say they may disagree, and for a generation and more, no one have ever questioned him.
now his chickes are coming to roost, and when a country has no idea about public discourse, things get messy. you can thank the little king for keeping his people quiet and uneducated. he is the ultimate walking example of lofty out of touch elite, with a massive public relations machine behind him.
dont be intimidated ABC. stand up for free speech.
looks like youre well on your way. i have spent a lot of time living in thailand, and can tell you– generations will thank you for breaking this taboo. they will learn to talk to each other openly again.
Thailand is having some difficulties emerging from the 19th Century. It is determined to retain and enforces old laws that successful democracies do not.
Australia, a modern democratic country, has its own values. The fundamental rights of all its citizens are protected by the courts. Among those rights, thankfully, is the right to free speech, free expression and free inquiry. Australians believe in the pursuit of truth — by journalists, academics, citizens — without boundaries. This freedom — which includes the freedom to disseminate knowledge — recognizes no borders, and extends to every corner of the universe.
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Mourning and defiance
It’s definitely a rubber bullets!
Because there are handful of protesters/terrorists/forth-hands shooting at soldiers. It legitimately authorize soldiers to shoot back into mass of protesters for self-defense.
Statement by students and academics at ANU
Thanks Tarrin, you are a weapon expert and a keen military observer too. For a fund manager you are also strangely on the side of the poors.
So the 2nd Infantry division is the Royal Guard Division from the Thai Royal Army and they are specially called the Queen’s guards?
That division must be the most loyal royalist troops of Thai army, and they are using them to murder the poor red-shirts from the country.
Thailand definitely is on the road to ruin, or to a civil war!
War at Khao San
“Apocalypse Now”, Thai-Style:
One eye witness report of the operation against the Red Shirts on April 10 [posted on http://weareallhuman.net/index.php?showtopic=46632%5D claims that the military played the King’s songs (р╣Ар╕Юр╕ер╕З “р╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Щр╕┤р╕Юр╕Щр╕Шр╣М”) through loud-speakers while a helicopter dropped tear gas canisters onto the demonstrators.
Can anyone confirm this?
What next?
Even from the govt-controlled tv which I watched yesterday, what I found funny was when the two police officers , who were supposed to arrest Arisman, finally sat at the same table with this guy, behind the UDD stage in Rajprasong, not at the police station !
The two poor officers were taken hostage by the reds from the hotel and taken to Rajprasong but they didn’t seem worried at all because they knew the reds always consider the police as allies. The reds know many police and their families are sympathetic to their cause.
ABC TV on Thai politics
Mediawar #49
agreed, that reason plus
securing the succession from Anupong to red-hater Prayuth in military command, due in the military reshuffle in August/Sept
there is a theory that Anupong has been brought in charge of the removal of the redshirts so that if he fails he can be sacked making way immediately for Prayuth
then only the budget would need to be passed
and the elites would be ready to handle elections if they need to be called
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
“Literally a lot of the comments on this site make me feel physically sick. It is not just the culturally colonial rational/liberal imperialism, but more starkly the hypocrisy.”
New Mandala-land is at the end of the rainbow, where there is a pot of gold and iron ore. The people down under that rainbow have a mystic attraction to the bright colors without seeing this wish-fulfilling pot has at the same time affected their decision-making abilities.
Eventually, Australia will become a part of Asia-Pacific and then they will teach longingly about the heroic past when Campbell and true patriots ruled.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!
Statement by students and academics at ANU
Tiptop – because the unite insignia and the unite sign grafted on the tank that deployed with the unite, for example the picture that Nick took (the most recent one) you can see the sign said р╕Ю.2 р╕г.2 р╕гр╕н (Phor-2 Ror-2 RorOrr) which indicated that this tank is from the Ror-2 indicated that it is from the 2nd Regiment and Phor-2 indicated that it is of the 2nd Infantry division, the р╕гр╕н (RorOrr) is a short hand for р╕гр╕▒р╕Бр╕йр╕▓р╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕нр╕Зр╕Др╣Мр╣Гр╕Щр╕кр╕бр╣Ар╕Фр╣Зр╕Ир╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕Щр╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Ир╣Йр╕▓р╕кр╕┤р╕гр╕┤р╕Бр╕┤р╕Хр╕┤р╣М р╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕Ър╕гр╕бр╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕┤р╕Щр╕╡р╕Щр╕▓р╕Ц or Queen’s Guard.
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
Aussie alumnus – I’m not trying to defense Thaksin here, but I think you got the info in concessional fees all wrong, since to total sum paid to state (ministry of finance + TOT) remain the same, before AIS paid to TOT then TOT deduct any “Operational cost” and pass on to ministry of finance.
Anyway, just a question, by getting rid of Thaksin trough Coup Detat, how was that suppose to solve the problem Thailand has now???
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
Thanks ‘Long live the King’ for a perfect example of why the situation in Thailand is so hopeless.
Instead of attacking the messenger, why not try reflecting on your own misguided reverence for someone who has routinely approved military coups, sided with despots to reap mutual rewards, and allows those who merely question the role of the monarcy to be harassed & imprisoned for draconian jail terms?
We keep getting told how a certain person is ‘revered’ and ‘loved’, and how the people are ‘loyal’ etc etc
Well, as long as Thai’s hold billionaire monarch’s (or billionaire telco magnates) in reverence, and are prepared to do bad things to the name of protecting them, then the country will continue to be fcuked!
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
The whole thing about the king of Thailand is he is just another dictator in disguise.
In this time and age of broadband internet and instant communications he is quickly becoming just a relic from 19th century.
Thais must redistribute his massive multitrillion dollar wealth among the rural poors.
Come out all the progressive Socialists of Thailand. Now is the time for the Peoples’ Republic of Thailand!
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
Long live the King,
I think you’ll find a lot of people haven’t shut up about Stern Hu.
There’s no ‘all-guns blazing’, indeed, we are at pains to have a referendum on becoming a republic because of a good proportion of the population’s respect for the British monarchy.
Sure, the US has a problem with lobbying, but it being a problem is talked about openly.
If twenty-one people were just shot dead or beaten to death in street protests, I am inclined to presume the Australian public wouldn’t be vying to protect the monarchy and declaring it ‘above politics’ as a cultural inspiration before asking why.
What sort of role model for Thailand is the monarchy when it seems incapable of scrutiny, self-reflection and ‘letting go’? Seems to have projected itself onto Thai society rather nicely, wouldn’t you agree?
It is rather amusing conflating counter-terrorism and Lese Majeste. Not that I support counter-terrorism measures, or what my country does, but at least I am able to openly criticise them and it and I won’t be put in jail for eighteen years as a result. This, I feel, is more the point of the Eric Campbell’s report.
Long live the King, he doesn’t have much longer to go. What are you going to do?
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
The king, my friend, won’t be doing anything for very much longer. He won’t be reigning; he certainly won’t be protecting; and I doubt he’ll be doing much living in the foreseeable future either. You need to find another mindless slogan.
Statement by students and academics at ANU
Richard P
I think you’ll find ‘red supporters’ – or at least the relatively educated, and probably foreign, ones – are not that naive. Even the average prol in Isarn is marginally more awake to his outcast state than he was 50 years ago. If this trend of increasing awareness continues then the power of any one despot to abuse this ‘awakening’ for their own ends is more limited. But if the reds remain a bunch of easily led prols then I’m afraid your scenario is indeed a likely one – a swapping of one despotic regime for another. I hope what we’re seeing is something wider and deeper than that. I definitely find that the average Isarn worker these days is a lot angrier and a damn sight more aware of the reality than they were even a decade ago. This is a potential force that even Thaksin and his cronies will have trouble completely subduing. In the meantime the reds need his money. I don’t see it as a completely bad thing. I hope…
Abhisit’s talk in Oxford: From the inside
“they (the police) are now in the process of issuing the warrant for the case of occupying Government House. I have the police report regularly to me and I report to the parliament concerning the airport case. As of the last time, they reported to me a couple of weeks ago, 90 percent of the report was completed. So I expect the action to be taken very soon”.
Thanks for bringing this report back- Thailand’s 27th PM’s “words of promise” to me.
Didn’t I say implementers are not talkers?
The Embassy and the ABC
What would happen if every Thai person was given the right to see this documentary and make up their own mind? If the sentiments of the Thai state are so universally shared by the population then surely a truly genuine statement of comment should come from the people. Otherwise we must conclude that the government is simply afraid of admitting the obvious – that not all Thai people share the same point of view about the monarchy – shocking as that may seem to the truly blind followers.
Statement by students and academics at ANU
OctoberGuy#14 – I don’t think this is going to be 1973 all over again.
For at least 2 reasons :
1) Thai society and state are now far more divided than in 1973 :
in 1973 there were no “masked gunmen” firing back on troops with anything like the force which happened last Saturday.
2) it’s not only a very different Thai society now – but a vastly different world.
ABC TV on Thai politics
i want to thank ABC and this company for standing up to the bullying that the Thai king has done for so long.
it is not a joke when real people are sent to jail, including non-thai folk.
lese majiste laws are form the dark ages, and GOOD ON YOU ABC for standing up to it, despite the thai elites waving their arms in the air.
the little king crushes dissent. people dont say they may disagree, and for a generation and more, no one have ever questioned him.
now his chickes are coming to roost, and when a country has no idea about public discourse, things get messy. you can thank the little king for keeping his people quiet and uneducated. he is the ultimate walking example of lofty out of touch elite, with a massive public relations machine behind him.
dont be intimidated ABC. stand up for free speech.
looks like youre well on your way. i have spent a lot of time living in thailand, and can tell you– generations will thank you for breaking this taboo. they will learn to talk to each other openly again.
the king is a farce. dont wai the king.
The Embassy and the ABC
Thailand is having some difficulties emerging from the 19th Century. It is determined to retain and enforces old laws that successful democracies do not.
Australia, a modern democratic country, has its own values. The fundamental rights of all its citizens are protected by the courts. Among those rights, thankfully, is the right to free speech, free expression and free inquiry. Australians believe in the pursuit of truth — by journalists, academics, citizens — without boundaries. This freedom — which includes the freedom to disseminate knowledge — recognizes no borders, and extends to every corner of the universe.
Go Australia!
Abhisit’s talk in Oxford: From the inside
What the PAD (Peoples Alliance for DEMOCRACY) stands for:
Reducing democracy to a 70/30 split (70% nominees, 30% elected).
Cant get more democratic than that.
* Founded in September 2005 by media proprietor Sondhi Limthongkul, a disgruntled former business associate of then-prime minister Thaskin Shinawatra.
Statement by students and academics at ANU
@Tarrin: how do you see they are soldiers from the 2nd Infantry Division ? (just curious)