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[…] of the baton of intimidation to the next generation. As Michael Vatikiotis points out in his excellent essay on the issue, it’s “fear of social change in a society plagued by inequality”. If this […]
There’s more to Peter Cohen than meets the eye, that much I realised from the start. But no, I’m not privy to any intel as you seem privileged. Thanks for the lecture.
Whilst I wouldn’t want to indulge in ad hominem arguments, you seem like a stereotypical my country right or wrong “Israeli”. Sorry if I touched a nerve.
Mrauk-U (Myauk-U to the Burmese) is not spelled with ra-kauk or ya-gout but with a ya-yit. Likewise Kyaukpru (Kyaukphyu to the Burmese) where Kyauk is spelled with a ya-pint and pru/phyu with ya-yit .
But yes, the ra sound is properly enunciated in Pali written with the ya-gout in Burmese script.
It’s a historical quirk that the Burmese have lost the ra sound of the ya-gout over the last couple of centuries.
An older group of Burmese called Marma in the Chittagong Hills cut off from the rest like the Rakhine before them from mainland Burma also retain the ra sound like the Rakhine which is spelled with ya-gout and pronounced Yakhine by the Burmese. So Aung Moe’s assertion that “the Burmese alphabet has no ra sounding letter” is not true either.
No typo Aluna, but we are on the same page with the rest. I also left about 1969, but I was born in Singapore (in 58) and I am a minority’s minority (great nephew of David Marshall). I married a Malaysian, as it was inevitable. Like LKY, I also spoke better BM than English, until six, and way before I learned proper Mandarin. As for the current status of Malaysia, well the only thing NM publishes of mine (if at all) are comments on Malaysia, and as I said, if at all. Malaysia is dyslexic and the ones who don’t want Malaysia to improve, have dyslexic brains, if their craniums aren’t empty altogether (and apologies to those honest individuals with dyslexia). If I compare UMNO to flatworms, I will still have to apologize to all self-respecting flatworms.
The Lord “faketh” away? Alright, Peter, I like your sense of humor. (I know it’s a typo.) But I can resonate on your lament of “Malaysia, truly aphasia.” I witnessed the independence of Malaya as a boy and the formation of Malaysia as a teenager. I was excited to the call from Lee Kuan Yew for a “Malaysian Malaysia,” but I left the country completely disillutioned 4 months after the May 13 Riots. I have since established a very sucessful life in the USA, but Malaysia always lingers in the back of my mind. Communal politics is a divider rather than a unifier. The disintegration of Malaysia is inevitable if they continue to practice communal politics.
I suggest looking up “constitutional monarchy” on Wikipedia as a corrective to your apparent belief that bringing up Canada is “irreverent'[sic]to a discussion concerning the monarchy in Thailand.
To help with the reasoning process that must inevitably follow if you are to overcome your own irrelevance to the discussion, I suggest some reading about “rule-of-law”, “constitutionalism” and maybe some examination of the relevant articles in some recent Thai constitutions.
Also, you might want to expand a little on why you think using an example of a successful constitutional monarchy to dispute a claim that monarchy is always evil is somehow misplaced. It’s hard to know, otherwise.
Please keep in mind that RN Englands little trick of calling successful monarchies republics and failed republics monarchies is out-of-bounds in the arena where reason and logic are required tools.
The alternative, should you decide to use it (the primary device for “debate” on NM), is always available to you: foam away and fire off a few slogans!
I presume you mean aside from visiting China before the US announced Nixon’s visit? Whitlam’s advisor for that trip, (and later Ambassador) Stephen Fitzgerald, was trained in Chinese at the ANU, and then came back to ANU to work on China after his ambassadorship.
Indeed, on ANU and China, Pierre Ryckmans, Lo Hui-Min, Wang Gungwu and Geremie Barmé (to name just a few) seem to get the odd thing right here and there as well.
But what have the ANU Romans ever done for us anyway?
You should talk to the Rakhaing people (they are still part of Burma, I believe!) They pronounce the ra-kauk correctly as in Mrauk-U. You should also listen to old Buddhist monks when they recite things like Mingala Sutta, written in Pali, which is an Indian language and the “r” sound has to be pronounced correctly, if you are able to do it.
By the way most Burmese don’t even care about how the ethnic minorities call themselves. It’s not Kachin or Chin or Shan etc. If Burmese want to be “politically correct” and inclusive, they will have to rename all these states: Jingpho, Zomi, Tai, etc.
You err in suggesting the Burmese-Israel friendship was/is solely utilitarian. You know little of Israel. Since U Nu’s time, Israel has offered all manner of assistance to Burma, FREE…………..The World Bank and IMF do not do that and the Islamic World does not do that, and Norway, your favourite nation, does not do that, I think Burmese were rather impressed with hydrological advice for free, as well as the training of Burmese students in Israel, at Israeli taxpayer expense. I know Moshe Yegar, I have studied Burma, even as an ex-Malayan, for 40 years, and I speak Burmese. Leave your cynicism about Irael, the West and China (I am far more cynical about China than you) elsewhere for just ten seconds. Who do you think assisted Burmese in the Mergui Peninsula during the Tsumani in 2004 ? Saudi Arabia ? Get a grip, please. Israel and India were also the ONLY provider of aid,l outside the West, to Aceh, during said Tsunami. As I know more intel than you do about Israel-Myanmar relations, I advise not to tread where you have no available expertise. I know EXACTLY WHY Min Aung Hlaing came to Israel and you do not. Can we list you as the premier entity on NM that props up disingenuousness and whining ? You are great at pointing fingers, a specialty of both Malaysia and Myanmar, but little use in coming up with novel concepts, as you repeat the same history of Burmese-Israeli relations I already described ab above. Maybe you need to revisit the Betel Nut and put some Thanaka powder on your face-it might soften your personality.
You can see the difference say between how Norway invests the money they get from their North sea gas/oil resources (long term investment for the whole country) and how Australians view selling iron ore to China (short term gain for the “bosses”) I don’t have to tell you where the money from extracting natural resources (gas, jade, timber, copper, electricity, etc.) in Burma goes. Not even a “trickle down” to the rural indigenous population some of whom lost their ancestral farmlands (I’m not even talking about the environmental damage today!)
Dear Amanda,
I meant every word I wrote. Nick was one of a kind. We have known each other for over 25 years thanks to our mutual Thailand Hmong connections, but we only met regurarly when he worked in Edimburgh and I in Hull. After we had both moved on — him to Australia and me to New Zealand ironically — we collaborated on publications but chiefly traded ideas and remarks on the progress of Hmong studies and of our own writing. Nick has provided me with immense help in reacting to article and book manuscripts.
He will be missed dearly. His accessibility and generosity were, and still are, a rarity in Academia.
So have I, and good for you, matey. Rentier capitalism for the bosses, Protestant work ethic for the rest, and it’ll all trickle down. A fair day’s wage for a fair day’s work, and both determined by whom?
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A tribute to Nicholas Tapp
Lovely exchange.
Who are Myanmar’s friends?
There’s more to Peter Cohen than meets the eye, that much I realised from the start. But no, I’m not privy to any intel as you seem privileged. Thanks for the lecture.
Whilst I wouldn’t want to indulge in ad hominem arguments, you seem like a stereotypical my country right or wrong “Israeli”. Sorry if I touched a nerve.
Review of The Wheel-Turner and His House
Mrauk-U (Myauk-U to the Burmese) is not spelled with ra-kauk or ya-gout but with a ya-yit. Likewise Kyaukpru (Kyaukphyu to the Burmese) where Kyauk is spelled with a ya-pint and pru/phyu with ya-yit .
But yes, the ra sound is properly enunciated in Pali written with the ya-gout in Burmese script.
It’s a historical quirk that the Burmese have lost the ra sound of the ya-gout over the last couple of centuries.
An older group of Burmese called Marma in the Chittagong Hills cut off from the rest like the Rakhine before them from mainland Burma also retain the ra sound like the Rakhine which is spelled with ya-gout and pronounced Yakhine by the Burmese. So Aung Moe’s assertion that “the Burmese alphabet has no ra sounding letter” is not true either.
Southeast Asian snapshots
No typo Aluna, but we are on the same page with the rest. I also left about 1969, but I was born in Singapore (in 58) and I am a minority’s minority (great nephew of David Marshall). I married a Malaysian, as it was inevitable. Like LKY, I also spoke better BM than English, until six, and way before I learned proper Mandarin. As for the current status of Malaysia, well the only thing NM publishes of mine (if at all) are comments on Malaysia, and as I said, if at all. Malaysia is dyslexic and the ones who don’t want Malaysia to improve, have dyslexic brains, if their craniums aren’t empty altogether (and apologies to those honest individuals with dyslexia). If I compare UMNO to flatworms, I will still have to apologize to all self-respecting flatworms.
Southeast Asian snapshots
The Lord “faketh” away? Alright, Peter, I like your sense of humor. (I know it’s a typo.) But I can resonate on your lament of “Malaysia, truly aphasia.” I witnessed the independence of Malaya as a boy and the formation of Malaysia as a teenager. I was excited to the call from Lee Kuan Yew for a “Malaysian Malaysia,” but I left the country completely disillutioned 4 months after the May 13 Riots. I have since established a very sucessful life in the USA, but Malaysia always lingers in the back of my mind. Communal politics is a divider rather than a unifier. The disintegration of Malaysia is inevitable if they continue to practice communal politics.
Why I speak out against the Thai Monarchy
krajongpa:
I suggest looking up “constitutional monarchy” on Wikipedia as a corrective to your apparent belief that bringing up Canada is “irreverent'[sic]to a discussion concerning the monarchy in Thailand.
To help with the reasoning process that must inevitably follow if you are to overcome your own irrelevance to the discussion, I suggest some reading about “rule-of-law”, “constitutionalism” and maybe some examination of the relevant articles in some recent Thai constitutions.
Also, you might want to expand a little on why you think using an example of a successful constitutional monarchy to dispute a claim that monarchy is always evil is somehow misplaced. It’s hard to know, otherwise.
Please keep in mind that RN Englands little trick of calling successful monarchies republics and failed republics monarchies is out-of-bounds in the arena where reason and logic are required tools.
The alternative, should you decide to use it (the primary device for “debate” on NM), is always available to you: foam away and fire off a few slogans!
It’s time for a truly Asia-Pacific vision at ANU
I presume you mean aside from visiting China before the US announced Nixon’s visit? Whitlam’s advisor for that trip, (and later Ambassador) Stephen Fitzgerald, was trained in Chinese at the ANU, and then came back to ANU to work on China after his ambassadorship.
Indeed, on ANU and China, Pierre Ryckmans, Lo Hui-Min, Wang Gungwu and Geremie Barmé (to name just a few) seem to get the odd thing right here and there as well.
But what have the ANU Romans ever done for us anyway?
Review of The Wheel-Turner and His House
You should talk to the Rakhaing people (they are still part of Burma, I believe!) They pronounce the ra-kauk correctly as in Mrauk-U. You should also listen to old Buddhist monks when they recite things like Mingala Sutta, written in Pali, which is an Indian language and the “r” sound has to be pronounced correctly, if you are able to do it.
By the way most Burmese don’t even care about how the ethnic minorities call themselves. It’s not Kachin or Chin or Shan etc. If Burmese want to be “politically correct” and inclusive, they will have to rename all these states: Jingpho, Zomi, Tai, etc.
Who are Myanmar’s friends?
Moe Aung,
You err in suggesting the Burmese-Israel friendship was/is solely utilitarian. You know little of Israel. Since U Nu’s time, Israel has offered all manner of assistance to Burma, FREE…………..The World Bank and IMF do not do that and the Islamic World does not do that, and Norway, your favourite nation, does not do that, I think Burmese were rather impressed with hydrological advice for free, as well as the training of Burmese students in Israel, at Israeli taxpayer expense. I know Moshe Yegar, I have studied Burma, even as an ex-Malayan, for 40 years, and I speak Burmese. Leave your cynicism about Irael, the West and China (I am far more cynical about China than you) elsewhere for just ten seconds. Who do you think assisted Burmese in the Mergui Peninsula during the Tsumani in 2004 ? Saudi Arabia ? Get a grip, please. Israel and India were also the ONLY provider of aid,l outside the West, to Aceh, during said Tsunami. As I know more intel than you do about Israel-Myanmar relations, I advise not to tread where you have no available expertise. I know EXACTLY WHY Min Aung Hlaing came to Israel and you do not. Can we list you as the premier entity on NM that props up disingenuousness and whining ? You are great at pointing fingers, a specialty of both Malaysia and Myanmar, but little use in coming up with novel concepts, as you repeat the same history of Burmese-Israeli relations I already described ab above. Maybe you need to revisit the Betel Nut and put some Thanaka powder on your face-it might soften your personality.
Southeast Asian snapshots
“The Lord giveth and the Lord faketh away”
Malaysia, truly aphasia.
A tribute to Nicholas Tapp
[…] This article first appeared in New Mandala. […]
Who are Myanmar’s friends?
You can see the difference say between how Norway invests the money they get from their North sea gas/oil resources (long term investment for the whole country) and how Australians view selling iron ore to China (short term gain for the “bosses”) I don’t have to tell you where the money from extracting natural resources (gas, jade, timber, copper, electricity, etc.) in Burma goes. Not even a “trickle down” to the rural indigenous population some of whom lost their ancestral farmlands (I’m not even talking about the environmental damage today!)
A tribute to Nicholas Tapp
Dear Amanda,
I meant every word I wrote. Nick was one of a kind. We have known each other for over 25 years thanks to our mutual Thailand Hmong connections, but we only met regurarly when he worked in Edimburgh and I in Hull. After we had both moved on — him to Australia and me to New Zealand ironically — we collaborated on publications but chiefly traded ideas and remarks on the progress of Hmong studies and of our own writing. Nick has provided me with immense help in reacting to article and book manuscripts.
He will be missed dearly. His accessibility and generosity were, and still are, a rarity in Academia.
Regards,
Jean Michaud
Southeast Asian snapshots
Malaysia is in good hands? Very funny. LOL.
Who are Myanmar’s friends?
So have I, and good for you, matey. Rentier capitalism for the bosses, Protestant work ethic for the rest, and it’ll all trickle down. A fair day’s wage for a fair day’s work, and both determined by whom?