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  1. johninbkk says:

    Compared to the English language press, Nick is quite informative. BangkokPost reporters don’t even go to the events – they just re-report stuff from social media and fill in the gaps with opinion: “There was a red shirt protest. They blocked roads. They were paid by Thaksin. The end.” Just the other day one of their editors wrote a scathing anti-red shirt opinion article, and then said it was the first time she ever saw a red shirt protest (wtf?!).

    Just Nick showing up at the protests, and being rather unbiased, is a huge refreshing improvement. I’ve enjoyed his articles and look forward to them.

    Perhaps if he was being paid to do this, I might hold him to slightly higher standards. =P

  2. plan B says:

    Stephen

    This will not change an iota to the overall control of present PTB (POwer that be)even if passes.

    It will take an overall raised expectation of citizenry i.e. realizing what they will miss, to change present status quo.

    Any promotion of useless careless yesteryear policy will only assure that history repeat itself.

    Concerted effort to improve a citizenry standard of living will in a very short time transform the expectation of just “surviving” currently to “we can do better”.

    China being the example of economic activities moving democratic principles forward.

    This is but a crude example to begin to transform SG Than Shwe’s Road Map to democracy to the Citizeny’s own RMTDD.

  3. Inky says:

    Yes, I have to agree with Norm here, This piece is superficial and cobbled together. The basic skills of journalism are just not evident, rather, it seems to be a series of personal impressions gathered from what is in the Thai press and glued together with quite a lot of conjecture.

    Interesting in a gossipy sort of a way, but not substantial. Disappointing.

  4. plan B says:

    Nich

    Good synopsis.

    Road map to disciplined Democracy (RMTDD) neither publicly endorsed by the West nor Daw Aung San Suu Kyi yet presently embraced as the defacto plan.

    The adage that “one lay on bed one make” will certainly bring about the corollary of how do SG Than Shwe’s RMTDD be transformed to Citizenry of Myanmar’s own RMTDD.

    Hope or more specifically ‘higher expectations for a better tomorrow” have always been the sine qua non to change/transformation to any status quo.

    It takes 3+ decades of effort by this government to stifle hope of an unfortunate citizenry, with the knowing complicity of DASSK and the West to arrive at this juncture of quagmire.

    How long will it take to grow a citizenry that demand a better tomorrow?

    Hopefully not as long as it takes to degrade.

    Present litany of conflicts within and without will contribute to the delay unless DASSK and the West continue to avoid yesteryear useless careless policy.

    There may not be a U turn on road to democracy, surely shortening that road without any pit stop must be the the future.

  5. johninbkk says:

    Very informative post =)

    In other words, they aren’t breaking up. They are a collection of semi-independent groups with mostly overlapping goals since the beginning.

    So … who is setting up the Red Shirt villages? Is it UDD?

  6. Norm says:

    The Dems “Men in Black” line is just a perpetuation of the lies and misinformation put out back in April 2010. There has never been any proven link between the Red Shirts and the Men in Black who carried out the attack at Kok Wua – just theories, speculation and a few dodgy accounts from the dodgiest “journalists”, none of which has ever been properly cross-examined, substantiated or investigated.

    As for the rest, not much new here to be honest for those who keep an eye on these events and the UDD/Red Shirts.

    Curious that Nostitz claims

    “Sombat Boon-ngam-anong has also never been part of the UDD, but he clearly is Red Shirt.”

    Maybe – but Sombat’s “office” was located in UDD HQ in Lad Prao on the same floor and right next to Thida’s office. To claim they’re two distinct entities is inaccurate as there is a definite overlap the same way as there is overlap between UDD/Red Shirts/Thaksin/PT. Surely Nostitz already knew this?

    What would be more interesting for this reader at least rather than Nostitz’s Bangkok-centric analysis would be a look at the way the movement shapes out over the entire country – Udon, rural, Khon Kaen, Chiang Mai, Phayao etc. The regional power bases are, in many ways, the “centres” of the movement as much as UDD or whatever splinter group springs up.

    Also what parts of PT are genuinely attempting some kind of progressive politics – what/who preventing those parts of PT from gaining ground?

    Nostitz’s analysis deals, as ever, with the surface but tells us little else. Movements have factions. The PAD are destructive and have links to the Dems but these links have issues. The UDD and Red Shirts are not the same thing. The Red Shirts want to “revolutionize” things. Some Red Shirts are more moderate.

    Bit more behind the scenes stuff would be more interesting – you could glean nearly all of Nostitz’s stuff by translating a few Thai newspaper articles.

  7. bl says:

    I actually would love to read some of these articles. Is there any way I can d/l in .pdf? Or purchase?

  8. Neville Bartos says:

    You’re being rude Chopper, very very rude. Now behave.

  9. Chopper says:

    I’ve said for a while now that this country is quickly becoming Laos Peoples Democratic Republic of China, and they aint here just for the water front – they want the minerals.

  10. Dr Sidney Tin Htut says:

    Being politically na├пve I fell for Hla Os’s story at first as it was very graphic and based upon factual events that I did not have the experience. After reading the comments, which I would admit is time consuming, but very informative and unbiased, I began to have a clearer picture on the motive of Hla Oo. It is most likely that he has worked for the group of smear-campaign against ASSK and her dad.
    Thanks to those who have contributed the invaluable comments, especially on the information of Captain Htun Hla , without which I would be dubious on the morality of our Great National Hero. I think this sort of article can be very dangerous and harmful and the editor of NM should be more cautious in publishing such articles in future. Thank you.

    TH

  11. Roger says:

    Charles Alton was right about this. I also remember a few years ago when they cut all those old African mahogany trees lining the roads in the name of “development” instead of the alternative way to widen the road. Most Asian cities would pay millions for those (now gone) tree lined shady streets. Vientiane is rapidly losing it’s charm and I fear the same is coming for Luang Prabang. The way things are going, Lao people will soon become a minority in their own country.

  12. Nick Nostitz says:

    “Greg Lowe”, “johninbkk”:

    That “UDD” and “Red Shirts” have been synonymously used by the media has always been inaccurate. Already back in the coup days, when the first UDD was formed, there were groups such as the “June 24th group”, led by the now incarcerated Somjos, that were part of the anti coup movement, which later in October/November 2008 became “the Red Shirts”, but has never been part of the UDD.
    The in 2011 dissolved Daeng Siam has Split from the UDD in 2009. Daeng Siam was part of the Red Shirt movement, but not part of the UDD. Sae Daeng was never part of the UDD, but a Red Shirt. Sombat Boon-ngam-anong has also never been part of the UDD, but he clearly is Red Shirt.
    Basically – within the Red Shirt movement the UDD is the largest mass organization, but there are many other groups that are not part of the UDD. These groups are collectively called “Free Red groups”, some of them, such as the 24th of June group, are very early groups, others are newer, such as many groups formed around community radio stations, which decide on a case by case basis to work with the UDD, or independently.

    The relationship between Puah Thai and the Red Shirts (and the UDD) has always been far more complex than many in the media have given credit to. That still is so. While the UDD in general is also more on the reformist side, there still are regular differences between them and the Puah Thai party. But also the Puah Thai party, when it comes to their relationship with the Red Shirts is not a monolithic block – there are MP’s which are more Red Shirt than Pueah Thai (some even closer to the former Daeng Siam and Free Red groups than to the UDD), and there are many Pueah Thai politicians which have never been at a Red Shirt stage, and who do not like the Red Shirts, but know that they need them.

    There have been all along frictions, and arguments, after which the media prognosed always an immediate end of the Red Shirt movement. I believe that these frictions have been over-interpreted. It is my view that the first serious friction appeared not directly within the UDD, or the Red Shirts, but between Thaksin and the Red Shirts, when Thaksin proposed the reconciliation bill, including an amnesty, which almost all Red Shirt organizations reject (the only Red Shirts i have met who supported such a reconciliation bill were individuals who have serious charges against them, but they were quite open that this was not an ideological issue for them, but purely because they did not look forward to go to prison for a long time).

    But lets be realistic – all such movements have factions, frictions, splits, etc. This is just the nature of a mass movement. The Red Shirts are not an army with strict structures – they are a social mass movement.

    Thitinan is right in the aspect that Tida keeps the Red Shirt movement moderate. This indeed is a key point of Tida since she became acting chair in December 2010 (and already before, when she was working more behind the scene as theoretician/strategist). Her moderate position is to a large part also born out of her experiences in the jungle back in the 70’s. But Tida is under the Red Shirts a controversial figure, and not universally accepted. The Red Shirt movement and the UDD changed a lot after 2010, and is far less a top down movement than it once was (to some degree). 2010 has clearly led to a emancipation of the Red Shirts.

    I think we cannot compare the splits with the Red Shirts and the PAD, as both movements were quite different from the start. Analyzing the ideologies of the opposing sides here we can quite clearly see that the Red Shirts are a lot more sound and practical in their political demands and ideologies, while the PAD always knew what they were against, but never could agree on any constructive list of demands. Most of the demands they came up with were increasingly strange.
    If you go nowadays to a PAD meet, you will be quite shocked how overtly sectarian/religious the atmosphere is. While you have some very intelligent people, especially under the second generation leaders, they are quite lost, as the domination by Sondhi over the crowd is now quite universal. Sondhi’s speeches are full of strange predictions with enormous religious overtones. I don’t know if he just acts this, or if he became a bit… odd. He doesn’t really speak with independent media anymore.
    Financially the PAD is not in a good position anymore, and since their 2011 protests you will see very few Puyai behind the stages, which is very different from their 2006 and 2008 protests, where is was almost fashionable for members of the elites to spend some time at the protests.

    While there is a certain collaboration between the Democrats and the PAD, as we have seen in the May/June protests at parliament, and at the Crime Suppression Division incident, there is not much love between the PAD and the Democrats, and the Democrats are very forceful in building their own street protest movement, which is completely under their control. Quite a different situation than in 2006 and 2008 in which the Democrat Party covertly supported and sponsored the PAD, but did not and could not run the direction it took.

  13. Greg Lopez says:

    Greg Sheridan and Bob Carr are good people. I still wonder what they actually think of Najib Razak despite their public support of him?

    I wonder what any decent government would think of Najib Razak – the Prime Minister of Malaysia, and the administration he leads.

    John Berthelsen’s article provides even more damning evidence (as if there weren’t enough) of the depth of depravity of the Malaysian government. Yet, it is feted by no less than the Obama administration, the Cameron administration and the Gillard administration – what gives?

    That was Oct. 19, 2006. According to court testimony, Chief Inspector Azilah Hadri and Corporal Sirul Azhar Umar, members of the elite Unit Tindakan Khas, both assigned to Najib’s office, then wrapped Altantuya’s body in C4 plastic explosives and blew her up, possibly to mangle her remains so badly that the fetus would be destroyed.

    Sirul Azhar was interrogated by police shortly after the murder was discovered. He was informed that anything he said could be held against him, in accordance with the law. In his cautioned statement, as his confession was called in Malaysia, he told authorities he and Azilah had been offered RM100,000 to kill the woman and her two companions, who were causing highly public embarrassment for Abdul Razak Baginda, Najib’s best friend. The 28-year-old Mongolian woman, in a letter found after her death, wrote that she was sorry she had been blackmailing Razak Baginda. If French police records are to be believed, Razak Baginda was allegedly central to a massive bribery case in which a total of nearly тВм150 million in payments were steered to two Razak Baginda companies, Perimekar Sdn Bhd and Terasasi Hong Kong Ltd.

    As Asia Sentinel reported earlier this year, records seized by the French police show that former Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad and the French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe were aware of the transactions. Memos obtained by Asia Sentinel show the French expected at least part of the money to be steered to the United Malays National Organization, Malaysia’s biggest ethnic political party.

    http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4908&Itemid=178

  14. Ohn says:

    Please find me a single piece of publication in Burma or even in the usually critical “exile” media, even remotely anti-government because of this wonderful step-one liberation the whole world has been pulsating about.

  15. Faz says:

    Thanks Greg,

    Just read it and yes i do to a large extent agree with the article.
    I am half Indian and half Malay with mostly Chinese friends and hope that my unique perspective and experience in terms race relations within my family and friends can one day be the way things are in Malaysia.
    My comment above was jut to respond to the comment from “Truth”. I wanted to point out that the Malays originated from Malay Archipelago which includes Malaysia those days and therefore they cannot be termed as immigrants if they hail from another part of the Malay Archipelago like Sumatera. The settlement had begun before emergence of independent countries like Indonesia, Pilippines, Malaysia, Singapore, etc from what use to be the Malay Archipelago. Though there are evidence of some Chinese/Indian settlements before colonization/during Malacca Sultanate – due to trade with Indian traders or forging ties with Chinese empire -majority of Chinese and Indians were brought to Tanah Melayu (as it was called then) during colonization era including my own Indian grandfather and grandmother.The fact remains that the Chinese and Indians did not originate from this region – Malay Archipelago.
    Having said that i dont think acknowledging the history of various race origin in this nation makes one a racist. What makes one a racist is when one discriminate a person because of his/her race.
    Also, whilst i understand why special privileges has been given to Malays and Bumiputeras, i do agree that it these privileges has been misued to benefit only a small elite section of the Malays whilst the majority does not benefit from it at all. Which is why i suggested that moving forward, all these privileges should only be given based on merit regardsless of race. I soon will be giving birth to a daughter who will be more rojak that i am as my husband is also of mixed origin like me and i do hope by the time she grows up that we are only known as Bangsa Malaysia.

  16. Stephen. says:

    I’d suggest abolishing the legal requirement to inform government authorities three days in advance of a protest or strike.

  17. aiontay says:

    I’m biased, but I vote for ending the war with the KIO.

  18. Sukanya says:

    Thanks Andrew for publishing this news.

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  20. Midnight Special says:

    I wonder if the artist paints all those pictures while actually sitting in nightclubs with names like “G-spot-a-go-go”….

    I wonder what the tourists think of him, or the bar girls?

    Maybe all the girls know him as this rather odd falang man who comes to paint their pictures.

    And then…?