Ohn, my friend. I don’t follow any party line. By 2015, anything could happen. But with every day that passes, things in Myanmar look a little better, a little brighter. There can be no going back. The genie, as they say, is out of the bottle.
The Khmer Rouge abolished the monarchy in Cambodia by violent means. So too with violence did the Russian Bolsheviks rid their Tsar. The Thai Rouge or Reds, pun intended, appear to be just as violently inclined, no?
Well, I think you’ll find the Khmer Rouge oligarchy abolished the monarchy in Cambodia, not the will of the people. Same as Spain, Which is why Russia should also not be counted.
I thought the meaning was plain but evidently not plain enough, but the strategy is plain; find a single exception or a small minority and pretend that it undermines the general whole. Straight out of Schopenhauer.
Any other examples that the Thai King might find comforting?
” “of the various nations that have decided over time that a monarch is an unwanted liability, how many of those have ever recanted and re-introduced a monarchy? And the answer is… none. QED. ” – Thropic ‘facts’
Thailand’s neighbor Cambodia’s monarchy was abolished by the Khmer Rouge in 1976 but was restored by the Khmer people in the year 1993. I am certain there would be a few more monarchies restored by its people but am too lazy to check.
Honestly, if Annie Thropic you’re not going to check your ‘world facts’ even for the 20 seconds it would take to google, why would anyone bother to read your self-proclaimed expertise frequently posted here and there?
With no disrespect to you, Dom, a legal and political scholar, this post would be described as amusing.
To put in the ground work, none of the enlightened legal and political minds has known in advance or predicted any of the significant momentous events in the history like Berlin Wall, Glasnost, 9/11 or even beginning of the fall of PPP in Singapore. (Otherwise George Yeo would not have to endure the public embarrassment.)
Any thing written by human anywhere is subject to interpretation by the dominant force of the time, any time. There is never innate force on a paper. No constitution will come out of the book to grab the rule breaker by the throat. But it is there simply for people to take advantage of as circumstances arise.
Still action says a lot about the action-er. (Or act about the actor if one prefers.)
What the Nargis constitution says is that the mighty military thugs who make killing, bullying and paranoia as their main and only purpose and boundary of life, are so cowardly- predictably this time- to put in there lots of moats, fence, spikes and repelling charms to save themselves as they have no real innate self-confidence. By the reaction, same conclusion can be reached of the people vehemently opposing it as well.
Yet, for sure the military read the public right. All the “oppositions” are now arch cheerleaders of them with very few exceptions. And the bluff of the so noble international communities, who ostensibly put up sanction on the military who they were busy disparaging until so recently, has been well and truly called with just about all the people who think they can make money are there hobnobbing or trying to find out who to hobnob with intention to “do” Burma. Even the America’s Oscar winning performance of how to slowly reduce the sanction step-by-step is so hollow now.
That does make making too much of the small letters of the written words – well- purely academic.
Just like the such and such number commandments, or the Buddhist’s Five Precepts, which incidentally, was used to be observed by people in Burma one time.
For example, every one knows Thein Sein himself and the military in general were/ are deeply in breach of international laws and rules as well as common human decency in their treatment of all the citizens of Burma and there are innumerable examples happening in the country, Burma, as these words are being typed. But with international statutes and laws on the book, all that indomitable ex-magistrate Tomas Ojea Quintana has done is putting out a white flag.
It is always nice to see half blind people enjoying themselves immersed in the glow of “Burmese Democracy” but it must be said that just as Aung San Suu Kyi’s iron pressed Kachin dress was no solace to the raped Kachin women ( there are so many of them)or one would think, the dead Kachins, the effusive rosy promises of the “development” by the multinationals directly or indirectly via their lapdogs (democratic “western” governments) and the international loan agencies (the head of one of which conferred a prize to her favourite subject just now) will not be taken well by the majority Burmese public when they realise that the promised “development” is simply a code word to take away their land and make them serfs in their own land or slaves in the sweatshops apparently to save themselves from themselves, the little “time bombs” in A May Suu’s words.
The “Joe Public” of Burma is a lot less stupid than any credit given by people planning their future mostly in air-conditioned rooms around the world.
With Thant Myint-U approved criss-cross rails, roads, ports, trade, manufacturings, digging the land, destroying the forests, touristy theme parks as he saw in Yunan, etc., the new Burma is supposed to be the next suckers for the consumers good and people slaving to satisfy their new found, newly discovered desire. And all the leading voices in and out of Burma seem to agree with that “vision”.
People also cheered and clapped . Because they did not realise before that their ancestral possessions of land and their ways are not supposed to be compatible with this highly advanced “vision”. A “vision” people will die to object in short time to come.
It is notable the “Peace March”-es, the “Candlelight Protests”, the Lapadaung Taung land issue demonstrations and various others are spontaneous and leaderless, totally separate from the much touted NLD-88- Exiled group influence or participation and are just the beginning of the true Burma.
Now the stage is finally set. Oh, the constitution! What is that?
My apologies to Ron Torrence. I should have instead said “No thanks Ms. Anne Thropic AND Mr. Ron Torrence. You can not corrupt every Thai just because you both and/or Thaksin fancy so.”
This one leader I respected the most. Leader who knows what he is doing and what others are doing. Leader who are sincere in his work without any self interest. Officers working under him know him best….. no fooling around.
My reply was specifically addressed in the top line to HRM not to Annie Thropic so I’m not sure why there is such an exasperated tone to your message. But I agree that “got rid of” is better wording than “lost” and I have no argument at all with your main point.
som, you still need to wake up from your dream world, ” tagging every Thai leader past and present as ‘just as corrupt’.”” is not an attempt to ” ‘legitimize’ Thaksin’s corruptive past”, but to show that they are all from the same mold as far as corruption in their governments go. Some are just blinded to what has really been going on for a long time, and don’t want to look. A wise man once said, that a man is only as blind as to what he will allow himself to see.
Unfortunately have to agree with every thing you wrote above.
“Naypyidaw” is a dangerous, patently undemocratic and stupid, stupid name- in literal and historical sense. The “Abode of Kings”. But weirdly it suits with the present day “stupid” mentality of a lot of people. Funny times. People BS to no end about “democracy” while at the same time hailing the “superman” or supreme dictator. Now Thein Sein as superman and Than Shwe as supreme dictator. And Aung San Suu Kyi as ever loyal chief cheerleader as well as mind-bender for the masses who are being killed and looted and yet have to “co-operate”. Sick!!!
Current situattion is very unstable mainly because it does not fit in with the natural, true character of Burmese populace (people in geographical boundry of country Burma).
That is what we are seeing more and more now. The “Peace March”, the “Candlelight Protests”, the “Lapadaung Taung Destruction Land Poisoning Demonstration”, grassroot movement against Thai owned and operated “Tavoy Port” complexes even thought Thaksin, greedy megalomaniac, and Than Shwe, greedy, feeble-minded megalomaniac, want it.
We see more and more of true “Joe Public” (as the Americans would say) coming out fighting for real need and desire of the public. We also see that these are not associated with the misguidedly commonly accepted “leaders” of the so-called “opposition” whom people are now seeing as no more than self-serving yesterday’s people- like Aung San Suu Kyi, 88’s, “Exiled Leaders” etc. ( Did you see the funeral cortege of “U Paing Lu” and “U Hnan Phew” both 88 years of age in Monywa?)
We are now seeing real grassroot movement which will snowball. These superficial accolades and back pattings are simple sideshows. People are now beginnig to realise that the “development plans” by say-IMF “rewarding the New Open Burma” as their New Head ( after Stauch) Christine Largarde award their chief collaborator are simple land grabbings for the international companies. More development more loot!!! As simple as that.
And this is still the very beginning of millions more like this to come. What with the biggest import to Burma now Bulldozers and the caterpiller man ( that is the man from Capterpiller Company of Illinois) cozying up to the absolute rulers while expensively dressed people busy themselves in Naypyidaw doing totally useless things wasting millions of public money.
It is inconceivable seasoned political observers like Trevor Wilson would not see through all these BS and recognises the real power lies elsewhere. But it is interesting that they -another remarkable one being Derek Tonkin- stick stricky to the party lines. What it means is that currently they feel Thein Sein is , with absolute support of his ever loyal sidekick Aung San Suu Kyi, on the winning streak.
If people on the street have their say a bit longer, the picture will change. If the people on the street cannot have their say the picture will change as well. Much vaulted 2015 election is a non-event.
“… nope in all of those countries Thaksin would be in jail.”
Look back carefully Ms. Thropic at the bucket of constitutional shenanigans Thaksin had committed during his rule. Those policy corruption and conflict of interests items alone would have hung Thaksin at those countries Thropic cited. The Thaksin orchestration of extra-judicial police justice would have snapped Thaksin’s unconstitutional neck as well.
When Thropic and many similarly Thaksin-awed could pronounce with such ‘real-world-facts’ expertise (they claim) that every single Thai politician and Prime Minister were/are definitely ‘corrupt’ would at first draw some amusement. But there’s certainly malice aforethought for such claims, and yes the intent to ‘legitimize’ Thaksin’s corruptive past by tagging every Thai leader past and present as ‘just as corrupt’.
No thanks Ms. Anne Thropic. You can not corrupt every Thai just because you and/or Thaksin fancy so.
well- our nation FOUNDING FATHERS did a good job to build up this nation>> sadly in the last 30 years from 1981– the policies then to now destroyed the social fabrics n economy of this rich nation<> millions illegals came in n crime rate goes up// poverty n pain are seen everywhere ,, this is a HOPELESS scenario>> is change possible??
“Those ‘real-world’ facts were much appreciated Ms. Thropic. Madame Potjaman or that lawyer Amsterdam could not convey the Red belief system any better, I am sure.
You’re welcome. A bucket of cold water is sometimes useful.
But in those more developed countries you cited proudly (Europe, South Korea, Japan), could your ‘belief system in Thaksin’ stand their much rigid judicial, institutional and democratic tests of honest democratic leadership?. Because I sincerely suspect that your much ballyhoed ‘real-world Thropic facts’ are no more than Thropic fancies.
Not a hint of pride in my citation, only reality. In answer to your reasonable question, nope in all of those countries Thaksin would be in jail. Sadly Thaksin was corrupt, as was his government. The whole point though, is that he was no more corrupt and probably less corrupt that every other Thai government in recent times, certainly less so than the ones you hold up as shining examples of probity.
“Because I sincerely suspect that your much ballyhoed ‘real-world Thropic facts’ are no more than Thropic fancies”.
With respect, facts are facts and do not become fancies [sic] because you don’t happen to like them
“Naaah. It is a canard to say every Thai politician/government of past and present were corrupt. That’s just Thaksin or Thropic b/s, no more and no less.”
And you slip slowly but deliciously back into your fairytale comfort zone.
Good luck in there son, I do hope that reality manages to avoid you. I wish you well.
Those ‘real-world’ facts were much appreciated Ms. Thropic. Madame Potjaman or that lawyer Amsterdam could not convey the Red belief system any better, I am sure.
But in those more developed countries you cited proudly (Europe, South Korea, Japan), could your ‘belief system in Thaksin’ stand their much rigid judicial, institutional and democratic tests of honest democratic leadership?. Because I sincerely suspect that your much ballyhoed ‘real-world Thropic facts’ are no more than Thropic fancies.
Naaah. It is a canard to say every Thai politician/government of past and present were corrupt. That’s just Thaksin or Thropic b/s, no more and no less.
Dear oh dear. I rather think you were determined to miss the point. Of course all those got rid of (rather than ‘lost’ which implies carelessness or deprivation) monarchies. But if you bother to re-read what I actually wrote you’ll discover I actually asked – here, let me paste it for you “of the various nations that have decided over time that a monarch is an unwanted liability, how many of those have ever recanted and re-introduced a monarchy?”
And the answer is… none. QED.
Honestly, if you’re not going to concentrate even for the 2 minutes it would take to actually read what I said, why would anyone bother to read your reply to something I didn’t actually say (though you might wish I did).
France, USA, India, Pakistan, Germany, Nepal, Turkey, China, The Austro-Hungarian empire and many, many others also lost monarchies. History is a bit more complicated than one example and to even the ledger the Tsar did put a few million of his own people in the grave by participating in the absurdity of WW1 and ultimately assuming the role of Commander in Chief.
I support a republic in Australia as many Australians do (mind you, I’m quite fond of the queen and wouldn’t want her to suffer the fate the Tsar and his family did). I very much doubt that an Australian republic which is a real possibility in a few years time would result in millions of deaths.
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я╗┐Myanmar reshuffle: the reform agenda
Ohn, my friend. I don’t follow any party line. By 2015, anything could happen. But with every day that passes, things in Myanmar look a little better, a little brighter. There can be no going back. The genie, as they say, is out of the bottle.
On Republicanism in Thailand
The Khmer Rouge abolished the monarchy in Cambodia by violent means. So too with violence did the Russian Bolsheviks rid their Tsar. The Thai Rouge or Reds, pun intended, appear to be just as violently inclined, no?
On Republicanism in Thailand
The Netherlands reverted to a monarchy in 1813 after it had been a republic in various forms since 1588.
On Republicanism in Thailand
Well, I think you’ll find the Khmer Rouge oligarchy abolished the monarchy in Cambodia, not the will of the people. Same as Spain, Which is why Russia should also not be counted.
I thought the meaning was plain but evidently not plain enough, but the strategy is plain; find a single exception or a small minority and pretend that it undermines the general whole. Straight out of Schopenhauer.
Any other examples that the Thai King might find comforting?
On Republicanism in Thailand
” “of the various nations that have decided over time that a monarch is an unwanted liability, how many of those have ever recanted and re-introduced a monarchy? And the answer is… none. QED. ” – Thropic ‘facts’
Thailand’s neighbor Cambodia’s monarchy was abolished by the Khmer Rouge in 1976 but was restored by the Khmer people in the year 1993. I am certain there would be a few more monarchies restored by its people but am too lazy to check.
Honestly, if Annie Thropic you’re not going to check your ‘world facts’ even for the 20 seconds it would take to google, why would anyone bother to read your self-proclaimed expertise frequently posted here and there?
Burma’s Constitution: Straightjacket or red herring?
With no disrespect to you, Dom, a legal and political scholar, this post would be described as amusing.
To put in the ground work, none of the enlightened legal and political minds has known in advance or predicted any of the significant momentous events in the history like Berlin Wall, Glasnost, 9/11 or even beginning of the fall of PPP in Singapore. (Otherwise George Yeo would not have to endure the public embarrassment.)
Any thing written by human anywhere is subject to interpretation by the dominant force of the time, any time. There is never innate force on a paper. No constitution will come out of the book to grab the rule breaker by the throat. But it is there simply for people to take advantage of as circumstances arise.
Still action says a lot about the action-er. (Or act about the actor if one prefers.)
What the Nargis constitution says is that the mighty military thugs who make killing, bullying and paranoia as their main and only purpose and boundary of life, are so cowardly- predictably this time- to put in there lots of moats, fence, spikes and repelling charms to save themselves as they have no real innate self-confidence. By the reaction, same conclusion can be reached of the people vehemently opposing it as well.
Yet, for sure the military read the public right. All the “oppositions” are now arch cheerleaders of them with very few exceptions. And the bluff of the so noble international communities, who ostensibly put up sanction on the military who they were busy disparaging until so recently, has been well and truly called with just about all the people who think they can make money are there hobnobbing or trying to find out who to hobnob with intention to “do” Burma. Even the America’s Oscar winning performance of how to slowly reduce the sanction step-by-step is so hollow now.
That does make making too much of the small letters of the written words – well- purely academic.
Just like the such and such number commandments, or the Buddhist’s Five Precepts, which incidentally, was used to be observed by people in Burma one time.
For example, every one knows Thein Sein himself and the military in general were/ are deeply in breach of international laws and rules as well as common human decency in their treatment of all the citizens of Burma and there are innumerable examples happening in the country, Burma, as these words are being typed. But with international statutes and laws on the book, all that indomitable ex-magistrate Tomas Ojea Quintana has done is putting out a white flag.
It is always nice to see half blind people enjoying themselves immersed in the glow of “Burmese Democracy” but it must be said that just as Aung San Suu Kyi’s iron pressed Kachin dress was no solace to the raped Kachin women ( there are so many of them)or one would think, the dead Kachins, the effusive rosy promises of the “development” by the multinationals directly or indirectly via their lapdogs (democratic “western” governments) and the international loan agencies (the head of one of which conferred a prize to her favourite subject just now) will not be taken well by the majority Burmese public when they realise that the promised “development” is simply a code word to take away their land and make them serfs in their own land or slaves in the sweatshops apparently to save themselves from themselves, the little “time bombs” in A May Suu’s words.
The “Joe Public” of Burma is a lot less stupid than any credit given by people planning their future mostly in air-conditioned rooms around the world.
With Thant Myint-U approved criss-cross rails, roads, ports, trade, manufacturings, digging the land, destroying the forests, touristy theme parks as he saw in Yunan, etc., the new Burma is supposed to be the next suckers for the consumers good and people slaving to satisfy their new found, newly discovered desire. And all the leading voices in and out of Burma seem to agree with that “vision”.
People also cheered and clapped . Because they did not realise before that their ancestral possessions of land and their ways are not supposed to be compatible with this highly advanced “vision”. A “vision” people will die to object in short time to come.
It is notable the “Peace March”-es, the “Candlelight Protests”, the Lapadaung Taung land issue demonstrations and various others are spontaneous and leaderless, totally separate from the much touted NLD-88- Exiled group influence or participation and are just the beginning of the true Burma.
Now the stage is finally set. Oh, the constitution! What is that?
Flashback to the coup
My apologies to Ron Torrence. I should have instead said “No thanks Ms. Anne Thropic AND Mr. Ron Torrence. You can not corrupt every Thai just because you both and/or Thaksin fancy so.”
Marks of a good Malaysian leader
This one leader I respected the most. Leader who knows what he is doing and what others are doing. Leader who are sincere in his work without any self interest. Officers working under him know him best….. no fooling around.
On Republicanism in Thailand
Oops, I didn’t see that.
Then I should apologise, and I do.
Sorry. Must do better.
On Republicanism in Thailand
My reply was specifically addressed in the top line to HRM not to Annie Thropic so I’m not sure why there is such an exasperated tone to your message. But I agree that “got rid of” is better wording than “lost” and I have no argument at all with your main point.
Flashback to the coup
som, you still need to wake up from your dream world, ” tagging every Thai leader past and present as ‘just as corrupt’.”” is not an attempt to ” ‘legitimize’ Thaksin’s corruptive past”, but to show that they are all from the same mold as far as corruption in their governments go. Some are just blinded to what has really been going on for a long time, and don’t want to look. A wise man once said, that a man is only as blind as to what he will allow himself to see.
Burma’s Constitution: Straightjacket or red herring?
Good.
Marks of a good Malaysian leader
Dr Tun Dr Ismail was a great Malaysian leader who understood and respected the importance of multi-culturalism.
я╗┐Myanmar reshuffle: the reform agenda
tocharian,
Unfortunately have to agree with every thing you wrote above.
“Naypyidaw” is a dangerous, patently undemocratic and stupid, stupid name- in literal and historical sense. The “Abode of Kings”. But weirdly it suits with the present day “stupid” mentality of a lot of people. Funny times. People BS to no end about “democracy” while at the same time hailing the “superman” or supreme dictator. Now Thein Sein as superman and Than Shwe as supreme dictator. And Aung San Suu Kyi as ever loyal chief cheerleader as well as mind-bender for the masses who are being killed and looted and yet have to “co-operate”. Sick!!!
Current situattion is very unstable mainly because it does not fit in with the natural, true character of Burmese populace (people in geographical boundry of country Burma).
That is what we are seeing more and more now. The “Peace March”, the “Candlelight Protests”, the “Lapadaung Taung Destruction Land Poisoning Demonstration”, grassroot movement against Thai owned and operated “Tavoy Port” complexes even thought Thaksin, greedy megalomaniac, and Than Shwe, greedy, feeble-minded megalomaniac, want it.
We see more and more of true “Joe Public” (as the Americans would say) coming out fighting for real need and desire of the public. We also see that these are not associated with the misguidedly commonly accepted “leaders” of the so-called “opposition” whom people are now seeing as no more than self-serving yesterday’s people- like Aung San Suu Kyi, 88’s, “Exiled Leaders” etc. ( Did you see the funeral cortege of “U Paing Lu” and “U Hnan Phew” both 88 years of age in Monywa?)
We are now seeing real grassroot movement which will snowball. These superficial accolades and back pattings are simple sideshows. People are now beginnig to realise that the “development plans” by say-IMF “rewarding the New Open Burma” as their New Head ( after Stauch) Christine Largarde award their chief collaborator are simple land grabbings for the international companies. More development more loot!!! As simple as that.
And this is still the very beginning of millions more like this to come. What with the biggest import to Burma now Bulldozers and the caterpiller man ( that is the man from Capterpiller Company of Illinois) cozying up to the absolute rulers while expensively dressed people busy themselves in Naypyidaw doing totally useless things wasting millions of public money.
It is inconceivable seasoned political observers like Trevor Wilson would not see through all these BS and recognises the real power lies elsewhere. But it is interesting that they -another remarkable one being Derek Tonkin- stick stricky to the party lines. What it means is that currently they feel Thein Sein is , with absolute support of his ever loyal sidekick Aung San Suu Kyi, on the winning streak.
If people on the street have their say a bit longer, the picture will change. If the people on the street cannot have their say the picture will change as well. Much vaulted 2015 election is a non-event.
Flashback to the coup
“… nope in all of those countries Thaksin would be in jail.”
Look back carefully Ms. Thropic at the bucket of constitutional shenanigans Thaksin had committed during his rule. Those policy corruption and conflict of interests items alone would have hung Thaksin at those countries Thropic cited. The Thaksin orchestration of extra-judicial police justice would have snapped Thaksin’s unconstitutional neck as well.
When Thropic and many similarly Thaksin-awed could pronounce with such ‘real-world-facts’ expertise (they claim) that every single Thai politician and Prime Minister were/are definitely ‘corrupt’ would at first draw some amusement. But there’s certainly malice aforethought for such claims, and yes the intent to ‘legitimize’ Thaksin’s corruptive past by tagging every Thai leader past and present as ‘just as corrupt’.
No thanks Ms. Anne Thropic. You can not corrupt every Thai just because you and/or Thaksin fancy so.
Marks of a good Malaysian leader
well- our nation FOUNDING FATHERS did a good job to build up this nation>> sadly in the last 30 years from 1981– the policies then to now destroyed the social fabrics n economy of this rich nation<> millions illegals came in n crime rate goes up// poverty n pain are seen everywhere ,, this is a HOPELESS scenario>> is change possible??
Flashback to the coup
“Those ‘real-world’ facts were much appreciated Ms. Thropic. Madame Potjaman or that lawyer Amsterdam could not convey the Red belief system any better, I am sure.
You’re welcome. A bucket of cold water is sometimes useful.
But in those more developed countries you cited proudly (Europe, South Korea, Japan), could your ‘belief system in Thaksin’ stand their much rigid judicial, institutional and democratic tests of honest democratic leadership?. Because I sincerely suspect that your much ballyhoed ‘real-world Thropic facts’ are no more than Thropic fancies.
Not a hint of pride in my citation, only reality. In answer to your reasonable question, nope in all of those countries Thaksin would be in jail. Sadly Thaksin was corrupt, as was his government. The whole point though, is that he was no more corrupt and probably less corrupt that every other Thai government in recent times, certainly less so than the ones you hold up as shining examples of probity.
“Because I sincerely suspect that your much ballyhoed ‘real-world Thropic facts’ are no more than Thropic fancies”.
With respect, facts are facts and do not become fancies [sic] because you don’t happen to like them
“Naaah. It is a canard to say every Thai politician/government of past and present were corrupt. That’s just Thaksin or Thropic b/s, no more and no less.”
And you slip slowly but deliciously back into your fairytale comfort zone.
Good luck in there son, I do hope that reality manages to avoid you. I wish you well.
Flashback to the coup
Those ‘real-world’ facts were much appreciated Ms. Thropic. Madame Potjaman or that lawyer Amsterdam could not convey the Red belief system any better, I am sure.
But in those more developed countries you cited proudly (Europe, South Korea, Japan), could your ‘belief system in Thaksin’ stand their much rigid judicial, institutional and democratic tests of honest democratic leadership?. Because I sincerely suspect that your much ballyhoed ‘real-world Thropic facts’ are no more than Thropic fancies.
Naaah. It is a canard to say every Thai politician/government of past and present were corrupt. That’s just Thaksin or Thropic b/s, no more and no less.
On Republicanism in Thailand
Dear oh dear. I rather think you were determined to miss the point. Of course all those got rid of (rather than ‘lost’ which implies carelessness or deprivation) monarchies. But if you bother to re-read what I actually wrote you’ll discover I actually asked – here, let me paste it for you “of the various nations that have decided over time that a monarch is an unwanted liability, how many of those have ever recanted and re-introduced a monarchy?”
And the answer is… none. QED.
Honestly, if you’re not going to concentrate even for the 2 minutes it would take to actually read what I said, why would anyone bother to read your reply to something I didn’t actually say (though you might wish I did).
On Republicanism in Thailand
HRM
France, USA, India, Pakistan, Germany, Nepal, Turkey, China, The Austro-Hungarian empire and many, many others also lost monarchies. History is a bit more complicated than one example and to even the ledger the Tsar did put a few million of his own people in the grave by participating in the absurdity of WW1 and ultimately assuming the role of Commander in Chief.
I support a republic in Australia as many Australians do (mind you, I’m quite fond of the queen and wouldn’t want her to suffer the fate the Tsar and his family did). I very much doubt that an Australian republic which is a real possibility in a few years time would result in millions of deaths.