Thailand has been colonized, permanently, by ethnic Chinese. Of that there is no question.
As to rights versus right to enforce national laws et. al, as a human being, no matter where on this planet we are, is it not just that we ask for, that we demand, that we achieve equal rights, freedom of speech and democracy over and above the ignorant and uncaring who do not want these things for the rest of us?
We are enslaved by images and illusion, and the enslavement has been so effective that some seem to enjoy it.
This is planet Earth.
So what?
I don’t have any reaction on what were you written.
Culture is the social phenomenon which has been evolved on different background. It should not be consider superior or inferior. Lee Jones, chair of this talk should know best what I have said and he should know and can judge that what Jiles talked about Thai compare to other’s culture emotionally, ironically is nowhere in academic.
So so what?
I think that some people try to build the wrong association between LM and red shirts or Taksin supporter. As I have said that it is acceptable and clear that LM cause problems. But Jiles don’t think about LM until he got into trouble because he decided to go into Taksin supporter group. He critics royal family which is not acceptable even for the general people. Is it necessary to say or write everything about their privacy life? He want to own the gossip magazines? Is it worth for social and political development?
Insult laws for general people let the people who have been defamed to accuse, but LM aims for protection of the king who are not in the position to accuse or defense by himself and many countries has insult laws to prevent head of the state from insulting. Jiles activity raise the important point that at least LM should be continued to prevent such that people like jiles. But as I convinced many times that it also has to be amended but not for interest of this son of one of the most respectful civil servant of Thailand, Dr Puay.
David Brown, I give up!
You still see this whole thing in terms of your own environment and not that of Thailand.
This is not some thesis – this is real with real people.
Stop dreaming about an idea, which is not practical.
End of story.
Competition is essential in any profession as a process to select the best qualify to do the job. When we allow people to cheat on the process, we then have the incapable and dishonest person as a leader. Abhisit Vejjajiva is the case in point. As a result, Thailand gross domestic product declines -4.5%, with an increase of 200,000 unemployed. Equipped with neither economic knowledge nor experiences, Abhisit offers no economic solutions.
With the military unfair interference in the political system, we ended up with an illegitimate Abhisit Vejjajiva who is Sonthi Limthongkul PAD agent. As a result, Abhisit Vejjajiva withdrew its lawsuits against PAD for the damage done at the Government house. When Abhisit could cheat on the democratic process, he could cheat on the rule of law as well.
Unable to compete, illegitimate Abhisit Vejjajiva focuses on using unfair law to destroy his political opponents in order to cope with his fear of a fair competition. It is time we take the country back from incapable illegitimate Abhisit Vejjajiva.
The setting: All of the name mentioned in the article have three characteristics. First, they had lived in Thailand before or still living there. They know Thai society well. Second, they come from various walks of life with different backgrounds and professions. Third, they are the achievers in their own fields of expertise. They are either a successful political leader, writer, academic professor, engineer, politician, political journal editor. Obviously, they are educated and capable of having analytical thinking to form their own opinion.
At issue: Why the best achievers Thais or foreigners who are capable of reasoning have difficulty with lese majeste law?
please read the report “after the storm_voices from Delta”
Report Calls For Burma’s Leaders to be Investigated for Human Rights Abuses Over Nargis Response
Joint Press Release By the Emergency Relief Team (Burma) and the Center for Public Health and Human Rights, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Burma’s ruling State Peace and Development Council (SPDC) should be referred by the United Nations Security Council for investigation by the International Criminal Court for its human rights abuses in the wake of Cyclone Nargis last year, the first independent report assessing the response to the disaster says. http://www.burmacampaign.org.uk/reports/AfterTheStorm_FullReport.pdf
Ralph Kramden has no evidence on S Sivalak critical on the King and the last time that he was charged is doutfully because he said something about Taksin and it turn to be political issue.
It is again show that any goverment or political power groups abusively used the laws and I agree that this law has to be amended
However, it is no point to defend wheter S. Sivalak criticize king specifically as Jiles or not. Jiles still specifically critics the king personally and also the domestic royal house holds that do not relevant to his ideas that lese majeste is the problem. So I think he is the problem himself. He makes every attempt to dissolve the laws for his freedom from unbearbale, untolerable illogical manifesto.
Excluding from doubtful about he is taksin supporter or not. His manifesto still breaks the insult laws in general . It’s not about lese majeste.
Freedom is limited, if we can do anything in the society, we will return back to animal society.
Any way, human has evolved from animals million years ago. LEt’s cerebrate 200 years of Charles Darwin, father of evolution.
.
“to foster freedom of discussion and expression, Samaggi Samagom would like to restrict the press/media from entering the event. This talk will be purely academic. ”
I think what they mean by this is to have an open discussion without being accountable or charged with e.g. lese majeste afterward as in the closed door academic discussion on any sensitive topics. But I agree that it’s such an irony and self-contradiction. I wonder how many Thais would dare to criticise the King’s projects in this event.
The Buddha never claimed that his Teaching should be adopted by the whole population and used (by kings or governments) as a “national religion”. The first one to do so was probably Ashoka and the results were not terribly good (many people romanticize Ashoka but he may have never been a “Buddhist” although he recognized the benefits that he could gain from promoting the religion). What we see in Asia is the systematic promotion of the hierarchical model of kingship and the devaluation of the republican model of administration (which the Buddha specifically chose for the monastic order — for a good reason). The Sangha Acts in Thailand in the 20th century show very clearly how uncomfortable the ruling powers are with the concept of consensual decision-making and that this must be prevented at all cost, even in the religious sphere. More attention should be paid to this aspect and not mistake the officially paraded nationalistic “Buddhism” for the real thing.
Giles had made his stance clear enough in his “red siam” manifesto. He also did mention his appearance on the UDD stage, was simply an expression of his disapprovals to the military and the influential figures behind the scenes with all their “undemocratic” manipulation in the current political turmoil. I’m well aware that it might not convince everyone, but I’d rather concern more on his opinions/expression than his motivation. You can accuse any one who’s against the LM as Thaksin’s lackey. Without solid evidence,this kind of stereotype accusation also sounds prejudice. It’s the rationale and relevacny of his opinions that concerned me. Though I can’t really say I agree with all in his manifesto, I do support his opinion about the LM. And admire his courage to express his thought, with the cost of all the accusations made on him.
Thanks Prasit for your response. Unfortunately (coincidence!) I am off to the hospital for surgery today, so I will be back here in a couple of days (well, hopefully!) and try to post more.
>'”…And clawing on the floor is the animal behaviour”. This is unacceptable and non academic point of view and he should admit for this.’
Well, it is a non-academic point of view. So what?
On two occasions, around New Year’s and a few days later, Thai TV – I believe I was watching MCOT – showed something I have not seen in the media before or since. The first occasion was the Crown Prince’s son being taken to give food to some monks, the second some exhibition at Muang Thong Thani or another large hall.
Members of the royal entourage could be glimpsed, for just a few seconds, walking on their knees to follow the royal family members. In the first case it was a woman who was in a nurse’s uniform, who I assume was the son’s nursemaid, the second case I don’t clearly recall.
These were not people coming and going for a royal audience, these were people doing their daily work in (more or less) public.
It’s only a guess, but I suspect these fully-grown adults were supposed to be showing that they were lower than the toddler son.
So my question for Prasit is: what would be your academic and non academic reactions to such behavior?
>The police have now revived the argument that, Angkhana, the girl they killed with their exploding CS grenades was carrying plastic explosives in her bra.
Have they really, or are you extrapolating?
The reports I have read say only that they believe it was not a tear gas cannister that caused her death, because they detected a different kind of explosive. That leaves open a range of possibilities.
Anyone seen any news about the guy who died in the jeep explosion that same day? His death represents 50% of the fatalities for that day, and he didn’t die “in the heat of battle,” yet I’ve seen next to nothing official about him.
Lee Jones, thanks for asking me to clarify my point.
Scholars use evidences and theories to explain political phenomena and add their principles and values into the argument in order to shape and better the society that they observed. Giles and you did just that.
However, Michael Connors’ works is different. His analysis is solely to lay the ground work for Germany-Japan conquest of Southeast Asia. In order to advance Germany-Japan strategic objectives in the Asia-Pacific, the geo-strategic Thailand must be an alliance of the Axis power. Thus, the strategic Allied Forces elite Giles Ungpakorn must be eliminated from Thailand. Why? Giles is the direct descendant of the most respected Allied Forces in Thailand. Second, his left ideology has made him connected to the mass base in the urban and rural areas. His intellect and integrity will strengthen its leadership. The mass base under the Allied Forces direct descendant is a threat to Japan-Germany post-Cold War territorial expansion objectives. The control of Southeast Asia is critical to its forward posture to control the Middle East in its quest to challenge the US hegemony.
If you analyze Michael Connors’ research, teaching, book reviews, by using all three levels of analysis and strategic studies, you will then understand my point. As E.H.Carr said, “Analysis and purpose were inextricably blended.”
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Thailand has been colonized, permanently, by ethnic Chinese. Of that there is no question.
As to rights versus right to enforce national laws et. al, as a human being, no matter where on this planet we are, is it not just that we ask for, that we demand, that we achieve equal rights, freedom of speech and democracy over and above the ignorant and uncaring who do not want these things for the rest of us?
We are enslaved by images and illusion, and the enslavement has been so effective that some seem to enjoy it.
This is planet Earth.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Get well soon ALex
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
To amberwaves
So what?
I don’t have any reaction on what were you written.
Culture is the social phenomenon which has been evolved on different background. It should not be consider superior or inferior. Lee Jones, chair of this talk should know best what I have said and he should know and can judge that what Jiles talked about Thai compare to other’s culture emotionally, ironically is nowhere in academic.
So so what?
I think that some people try to build the wrong association between LM and red shirts or Taksin supporter. As I have said that it is acceptable and clear that LM cause problems. But Jiles don’t think about LM until he got into trouble because he decided to go into Taksin supporter group. He critics royal family which is not acceptable even for the general people. Is it necessary to say or write everything about their privacy life? He want to own the gossip magazines? Is it worth for social and political development?
Insult laws for general people let the people who have been defamed to accuse, but LM aims for protection of the king who are not in the position to accuse or defense by himself and many countries has insult laws to prevent head of the state from insulting. Jiles activity raise the important point that at least LM should be continued to prevent such that people like jiles. But as I convinced many times that it also has to be amended but not for interest of this son of one of the most respectful civil servant of Thailand, Dr Puay.
Red Shirt protest at Government House
David Brown, I give up!
You still see this whole thing in terms of your own environment and not that of Thailand.
This is not some thesis – this is real with real people.
Stop dreaming about an idea, which is not practical.
End of story.
Red Shirt protest at Government House
Competition is essential in any profession as a process to select the best qualify to do the job. When we allow people to cheat on the process, we then have the incapable and dishonest person as a leader. Abhisit Vejjajiva is the case in point. As a result, Thailand gross domestic product declines -4.5%, with an increase of 200,000 unemployed. Equipped with neither economic knowledge nor experiences, Abhisit offers no economic solutions.
With the military unfair interference in the political system, we ended up with an illegitimate Abhisit Vejjajiva who is Sonthi Limthongkul PAD agent. As a result, Abhisit Vejjajiva withdrew its lawsuits against PAD for the damage done at the Government house. When Abhisit could cheat on the democratic process, he could cheat on the rule of law as well.
Unable to compete, illegitimate Abhisit Vejjajiva focuses on using unfair law to destroy his political opponents in order to cope with his fear of a fair competition. It is time we take the country back from incapable illegitimate Abhisit Vejjajiva.
On lèse majesté
The setting: All of the name mentioned in the article have three characteristics. First, they had lived in Thailand before or still living there. They know Thai society well. Second, they come from various walks of life with different backgrounds and professions. Third, they are the achievers in their own fields of expertise. They are either a successful political leader, writer, academic professor, engineer, politician, political journal editor. Obviously, they are educated and capable of having analytical thinking to form their own opinion.
At issue: Why the best achievers Thais or foreigners who are capable of reasoning have difficulty with lese majeste law?
The King Never Smiles?
I love Thailand
I love MY King
I respect MY King
I respect other King
I don’t care what they say,
I LOVE MY KING
WFP spokesman on Cyclone Nargis
please read the report “after the storm_voices from Delta”
Report Calls For Burma’s Leaders to be Investigated for Human Rights Abuses Over Nargis Response
Joint Press Release By the Emergency Relief Team (Burma) and the Center for Public Health and Human Rights, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Burma’s ruling State Peace and Development Council (SPDC) should be referred by the United Nations Security Council for investigation by the International Criminal Court for its human rights abuses in the wake of Cyclone Nargis last year, the first independent report assessing the response to the disaster says.
http://www.burmacampaign.org.uk/reports/AfterTheStorm_FullReport.pdf
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Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Ralph Kramden has no evidence on S Sivalak critical on the King and the last time that he was charged is doutfully because he said something about Taksin and it turn to be political issue.
It is again show that any goverment or political power groups abusively used the laws and I agree that this law has to be amended
However, it is no point to defend wheter S. Sivalak criticize king specifically as Jiles or not. Jiles still specifically critics the king personally and also the domestic royal house holds that do not relevant to his ideas that lese majeste is the problem. So I think he is the problem himself. He makes every attempt to dissolve the laws for his freedom from unbearbale, untolerable illogical manifesto.
Excluding from doubtful about he is taksin supporter or not. His manifesto still breaks the insult laws in general . It’s not about lese majeste.
Freedom is limited, if we can do anything in the society, we will return back to animal society.
Any way, human has evolved from animals million years ago. LEt’s cerebrate 200 years of Charles Darwin, father of evolution.
.
Mien sports and heritage
Do you think that Thailand’s Mien people have lost their culture?
Tej Bunnag speaking in London
“to foster freedom of discussion and expression, Samaggi Samagom would like to restrict the press/media from entering the event. This talk will be purely academic. ”
I think what they mean by this is to have an open discussion without being accountable or charged with e.g. lese majeste afterward as in the closed door academic discussion on any sensitive topics. But I agree that it’s such an irony and self-contradiction. I wonder how many Thais would dare to criticise the King’s projects in this event.
Thailand: Love it or leave it
The Buddha never claimed that his Teaching should be adopted by the whole population and used (by kings or governments) as a “national religion”. The first one to do so was probably Ashoka and the results were not terribly good (many people romanticize Ashoka but he may have never been a “Buddhist” although he recognized the benefits that he could gain from promoting the religion). What we see in Asia is the systematic promotion of the hierarchical model of kingship and the devaluation of the republican model of administration (which the Buddha specifically chose for the monastic order — for a good reason). The Sangha Acts in Thailand in the 20th century show very clearly how uncomfortable the ruling powers are with the concept of consensual decision-making and that this must be prevented at all cost, even in the religious sphere. More attention should be paid to this aspect and not mistake the officially paraded nationalistic “Buddhism” for the real thing.
Crossing a river in Arunachal Pradesh
thank you so much for providing photos of miao, if u have any more photos of the route from lekhapani to miao then do send it to me
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Giles had made his stance clear enough in his “red siam” manifesto. He also did mention his appearance on the UDD stage, was simply an expression of his disapprovals to the military and the influential figures behind the scenes with all their “undemocratic” manipulation in the current political turmoil. I’m well aware that it might not convince everyone, but I’d rather concern more on his opinions/expression than his motivation. You can accuse any one who’s against the LM as Thaksin’s lackey. Without solid evidence,this kind of stereotype accusation also sounds prejudice. It’s the rationale and relevacny of his opinions that concerned me. Though I can’t really say I agree with all in his manifesto, I do support his opinion about the LM. And admire his courage to express his thought, with the cost of all the accusations made on him.
Red Shirt protest at Government House
regular reader…
how do we find out what you, and all the other people that matter most, think?
perhaps by allowing and taking notice of your vote?
how do you suggest we ensure that Thailand operates under a system that has elections and uses these elections to choose who should run the country?
who is going to lead the effort to ensure Thailand has such a system?
(a superhero with faults or someone apathetic but perfect?)
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Thanks Prasit for your response. Unfortunately (coincidence!) I am off to the hospital for surgery today, so I will be back here in a couple of days (well, hopefully!) and try to post more.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
>'”…And clawing on the floor is the animal behaviour”. This is unacceptable and non academic point of view and he should admit for this.’
Well, it is a non-academic point of view. So what?
On two occasions, around New Year’s and a few days later, Thai TV – I believe I was watching MCOT – showed something I have not seen in the media before or since. The first occasion was the Crown Prince’s son being taken to give food to some monks, the second some exhibition at Muang Thong Thani or another large hall.
Members of the royal entourage could be glimpsed, for just a few seconds, walking on their knees to follow the royal family members. In the first case it was a woman who was in a nurse’s uniform, who I assume was the son’s nursemaid, the second case I don’t clearly recall.
These were not people coming and going for a royal audience, these were people doing their daily work in (more or less) public.
It’s only a guess, but I suspect these fully-grown adults were supposed to be showing that they were lower than the toddler son.
So my question for Prasit is: what would be your academic and non academic reactions to such behavior?
What happened on 7/10/2008?
>The police have now revived the argument that, Angkhana, the girl they killed with their exploding CS grenades was carrying plastic explosives in her bra.
Have they really, or are you extrapolating?
The reports I have read say only that they believe it was not a tear gas cannister that caused her death, because they detected a different kind of explosive. That leaves open a range of possibilities.
Anyone seen any news about the guy who died in the jeep explosion that same day? His death represents 50% of the fatalities for that day, and he didn’t die “in the heat of battle,” yet I’ve seen next to nothing official about him.
It’s kind of odd. isn’t it?
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Lee Jones, thanks for asking me to clarify my point.
Scholars use evidences and theories to explain political phenomena and add their principles and values into the argument in order to shape and better the society that they observed. Giles and you did just that.
However, Michael Connors’ works is different. His analysis is solely to lay the ground work for Germany-Japan conquest of Southeast Asia. In order to advance Germany-Japan strategic objectives in the Asia-Pacific, the geo-strategic Thailand must be an alliance of the Axis power. Thus, the strategic Allied Forces elite Giles Ungpakorn must be eliminated from Thailand. Why? Giles is the direct descendant of the most respected Allied Forces in Thailand. Second, his left ideology has made him connected to the mass base in the urban and rural areas. His intellect and integrity will strengthen its leadership. The mass base under the Allied Forces direct descendant is a threat to Japan-Germany post-Cold War territorial expansion objectives. The control of Southeast Asia is critical to its forward posture to control the Middle East in its quest to challenge the US hegemony.
If you analyze Michael Connors’ research, teaching, book reviews, by using all three levels of analysis and strategic studies, you will then understand my point. As E.H.Carr said, “Analysis and purpose were inextricably blended.”
I hope to talk to you and Giles soon!